what if the deal with the bandits that ben had made was, "you give us all the good drugs you get from the pharmacy or we kill you and your entire group" (i would say that that was the real deal anyway if you read in between the lines) would people be as mad at him?
Death or exile isn't that cruel when you consider his actions could get "you" or anyone in "your group" killed.
Especially in a world where one cut, cracked limb or zombie nip could equal a dead group member.
Death by infection or by zombie infection are very real concerns.
Lack of oversight on children is what is going to get people killed. Even Charles thinks we are doing the wrong thing with Clementine. The Problem is that nobody wants to think of Ben as being mentally immature, despite being physically mature.
Ben has no moral compass or support from the REAL adults in the group. As a result, he flounders. What do you think would happen if we expected the same kind of responsibility from Duck or Clem? It would be just as potentially disasterous.
Ben had been segregated from the group since the moment he arrived - the moment Lilly opened her mouth saying that he shouldn't even be there. As far as the reasons she lists against Ben in the RV (about him being the new guy, or a bandit "plant") I don't think she ever changed this toxic mindset.
Perhaps Ben would have behaved differently if he had been accepted into the group fully and had someone take him under their wing. In short, nobody trusted him, so why should he have trusted anybody else when the bandits told him that they had one of his friends? What could have possibly driven him to keep such a threat a secret, other than a belief that he was an outcast and that nobody would help him? And who perpetuated that belief?
Oh, come on ,sisterofshane, you know it's Kenny's fault!
So it's Lilly's fault for looking after the group? Well, you know if it wasn't for her, most of you would be dead because of the bandits.
Even if you somehow survived that you would still be left with Kenny who would betray you all in an instant just to save his or his family's skin, Ben who's a traitor and can't be trusted and Carley who's gullible enough to believe that she's helping somebody by protecting a traitor... Oh, I almost forgot.. you would have Duck as well.
You're pretty much doomed in my opinion.
Oh, come on ,sisterofshane, you know it's Kenny's fault!
So it's Lilly's fault for looking after the group? Well, you know if it wasn't for her, most of you would be dead because of the bandits.
Even if you somehow survived that you would still be left with Kenny who would betray you all in an instant just to save his or his family's skin, Ben who's a traitor and can't be trusted and Carley who's gullible enough to believe that she's helping somebody by protecting a traitor... Oh, I almost forgot.. you would have Duck as well.
You're pretty much doomed in my opinion.
how do you know that? if she had died in episode 1 and kenny was in charge they probably would have been miles away from the bandits.
there has been no evidence that she has done anything that has kept the group alive except the no hash headshot
well...because she saves the group from the bandits.
If she had died in ep. 1 things would be different, but she's not the type to easily die.
I don't think running around the country with the RV would've accomplished something. It has always looked like a terrible idea... and that boat... it might not even be there.
Maybe the comic book has affected me but knowing what's actually out there I would always prefer to stay in the motor inn and deal with the bandits.
well...because she saves the group from the bandits.
If she had died in ep. 1 things would be different, but she's not the type to easily die.
I don't think running around the country with the RV would've accomplished something. It has always looked like a terrible idea... and that boat... it might not even be there.
Maybe the comic book has affected me but knowing what's actually out there I would always prefer to stay in the motor inn and deal with the bandits.
well, i haven't read all (just the first hardback) the comics but, hasnt settling in anywhere got people killed? and how could 3 maybe 4 people deal with the massive group of bandits long term?
well, i haven't read all (just the first hardback) the comics but, hasnt settling in anywhere got people killed? and how could 3 maybe 4 people deal with the massive group of bandits long term?
I don't wanna spoil anything for you, but let's say that it's really, really dangerous. I would choose the devil I know, than the angel I don't.
well...because she saves the group from the bandits.I
Were we playing the same game? Other then Mr. Bad Ass at the start, the only bandits I saw fall, I shot. Carley covered the walkers on the left in my first play through and otherwise, the walkers were all mine too.
Were we playing the same game? Other then Mr. Bad Ass at the start, the only bandits I saw fall, I shot. Carley covered the walkers on the left in my first play through and otherwise, the walkers were all mine too.
Yeah, I decided that Lilly actually put us in more danger. The leader of the bandits was about to "arrange" a new deal, in which I would have given him everything he wanted, after which I would have taken what we had left and gotten the Heck out of Macon. Instead her shot put the lives of the entire group in danger, both by exposing us to the hostility of the bandits and by attracting the walkers. She didn't even hash out a quick plan with Lee to keep him aware - she sent him ambling out blindly to get himself shot with no real promise of her plan actually working. People want to say Kenny is brash? Lilly makes more bad decisions in episode three than Kenny did in episodes one and two combined! (Puts untrained and undisciplined Ben on watch, wants to continue to stay at the motor inn despite danger of the bandits attacking, keeps knowledge of medicine theft to herself, rushing in to take the offense against the bandits while they still held guns to the back of our heads, and lastly shooting @Ben/Carley without so much as bringing up any real evidence).
I want Ben gone, yesterday. Forget actions. I hate his hair, his face, that stupid jacket, how he stands with that thin body, his irritating b* voice, his emo personality, everything.
Clem has more balls than him. We had Clem & Duck cope with what happens and deaths around them in general better than him. Go on, stand on that train and be all emo Ben, thank you for everything you brought to this group (nothing / death).
Just punch your own card already you good for nothing crybaby.
well i defended him during the interrogation on the side of the road(originally thought it was doug because thats who i saved and he eagerly defended ben) and i told him i still wanted to talk to him later on the train, so bens got good standing with me right now.
The way I see it, it's everyone's fault for not being able to work together. Kenny killed Larry because Larry brought a heart attack upon himself at one of the worst possible times. He knew he had a heart condition, the heart attack was completely his fault. If they weren't held captive by a group of cannibals who were planning to slaughter us for food, I don't believe he would have done that. Kenny killed Larry. No denying that it sent Lilly over the edge though.
Kenny constantly wants to leave. His talk of abandoning the group for the coast indicated he doesn't think the group will survive, which brings down everyone elses morale. The constant arguing between Lilly and Kenny further drove that line of thinking home, especially when neither one tried to coem up with a compromise. The constant attacks by bandits, along with Ben going behind our backs. If he had come forward, we could have evacuated with most of our supplies and no casualties. But blame also somewhat lies with everyone else for the deal, because he knew they would all say "no" and his friend would be killed. He had no confidence in us because it seemed that none of us wanted him there in the first place. Why would people who he thinks hate him give up supplies for his friend's life?
Lilly doesn't want to relocate. With Larry dead and the pharmacy picked clean, the only reason to stay in Macon is for the wall around the motel. The station wagon was a lucky break and that food wouldn't last forever. Certainly not enough to get through the winter I think. With the absence of supplies in town, and the only member of the group who would need a consistent supply of medicine dead, coupled with multiple attacks by a larger and more heavily armed group Macon had become far more trouble than it was worth.
Everyone messed up, which led to Lilly snapping at the side of the road. If everyone had trusted each other and worked together, I feel that the group would be far larger than it is going into Savvanah right now.
The way I see it, it's everyone's fault for not being able to work together. Kenny killed Larry because Larry brought a heart attack upon himself at one of the worst possible times. He knew he had a heart condition, the heart attack was completely his fault. If they weren't held captive by a group of cannibals who were planning to slaughter us for food, I don't believe he would have done that. Kenny killed Larry. No denying that it sent Lilly over the edge though.
Kenny constantly wants to leave. His talk of abandoning the group for the coast indicated he doesn't think the group will survive, which brings down everyone elses morale. The constant arguing between Lilly and Kenny further drove that line of thinking home, especially when neither one tried to coem up with a compromise. The constant attacks by bandits, along with Ben going behind our backs. If he had come forward, we could have evacuated with most of our supplies and no casualties. But blame also somewhat lies with everyone else for the deal, because he knew they would all say "no" and his friend would be killed. He had no confidence in us because it seemed that none of us wanted him there in the first place. Why would people who he thinks hate him give up supplies for his friend's life?
Lilly doesn't want to relocate. With Larry dead and the pharmacy picked clean, the only reason to stay in Macon is for the wall around the motel. The station wagon was a lucky break and that food wouldn't last forever. Certainly not enough to get through the winter I think. With the absence of supplies in town, and the only member of the group who would need a consistent supply of medicine dead, coupled with multiple attacks by a larger and more heavily armed group Macon had become far more trouble than it was worth.
Everyone messed up, which led to Lilly snapping at the side of the road. If everyone had trusted each other and worked together, I feel that the group would be far larger than it is going into Savvanah right now.
i agree, but even though kenny wanted to leave he thought splitting up the group would be suicide, he wanted everyone to come with him.
but everything else is correct i think
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yeah, i sort of still blame him for not at least telling lee, but the way lilly ran things he would have been dead if they had told lilly.
death by execution or exile, that sounds like some of my history lessons
Especially in a world where one cut, cracked limb or zombie nip could equal a dead group member.
Death by infection or by zombie infection are very real concerns.
but dont forget that ben is a victim, not a bad person
Lack of oversight on children is what is going to get people killed. Even Charles thinks we are doing the wrong thing with Clementine. The Problem is that nobody wants to think of Ben as being mentally immature, despite being physically mature.
Ben has no moral compass or support from the REAL adults in the group. As a result, he flounders. What do you think would happen if we expected the same kind of responsibility from Duck or Clem? It would be just as potentially disasterous.
Ben might as well be a garden gnome.
he hasn't had much chance, but he was helpful on the train
well he was lee's backup entering the front part and then he disposed of the body after, not much, but as i said, he hasn't had much chance to help
I've always been a fan of redemption stories... I just hope it's not a cliche like redeem via heroic sacrifice.
Oh, come on ,sisterofshane, you know it's Kenny's fault!
So it's Lilly's fault for looking after the group? Well, you know if it wasn't for her, most of you would be dead because of the bandits.
Even if you somehow survived that you would still be left with Kenny who would betray you all in an instant just to save his or his family's skin, Ben who's a traitor and can't be trusted and Carley who's gullible enough to believe that she's helping somebody by protecting a traitor... Oh, I almost forgot.. you would have Duck as well.
You're pretty much doomed in my opinion.
how do you know that? if she had died in episode 1 and kenny was in charge they probably would have been miles away from the bandits.
there has been no evidence that she has done anything that has kept the group alive except the no hash headshot
If she had died in ep. 1 things would be different, but she's not the type to easily die.
I don't think running around the country with the RV would've accomplished something. It has always looked like a terrible idea... and that boat... it might not even be there.
Maybe the comic book has affected me but knowing what's actually out there I would always prefer to stay in the motor inn and deal with the bandits.
well, i haven't read all (just the first hardback) the comics but, hasnt settling in anywhere got people killed? and how could 3 maybe 4 people deal with the massive group of bandits long term?
I don't wanna spoil anything for you, but let's say that it's really, really dangerous. I would choose the devil I know, than the angel I don't.
humm, i guess i prefer avoiding devils and seeking out angels
Were we playing the same game? Other then Mr. Bad Ass at the start, the only bandits I saw fall, I shot. Carley covered the walkers on the left in my first play through and otherwise, the walkers were all mine too.
Yeah, I decided that Lilly actually put us in more danger. The leader of the bandits was about to "arrange" a new deal, in which I would have given him everything he wanted, after which I would have taken what we had left and gotten the Heck out of Macon. Instead her shot put the lives of the entire group in danger, both by exposing us to the hostility of the bandits and by attracting the walkers. She didn't even hash out a quick plan with Lee to keep him aware - she sent him ambling out blindly to get himself shot with no real promise of her plan actually working. People want to say Kenny is brash? Lilly makes more bad decisions in episode three than Kenny did in episodes one and two combined! (Puts untrained and undisciplined Ben on watch, wants to continue to stay at the motor inn despite danger of the bandits attacking, keeps knowledge of medicine theft to herself, rushing in to take the offense against the bandits while they still held guns to the back of our heads, and lastly shooting @Ben/Carley without so much as bringing up any real evidence).
Clem has more balls than him. We had Clem & Duck cope with what happens and deaths around them in general better than him. Go on, stand on that train and be all emo Ben, thank you for everything you brought to this group (nothing / death).
Just punch your own card already you good for nothing crybaby.
I ate his little face, I ate his guts and I ate the way e's always barking!
it reads a bit like my accent H's are not usually necessary,eg. 'ello 'ow are you, it's 'ot today in'it, can you 'ear me or what?
Aye, I can at that! I also ate the mess 'e left on my yard! Ya 'erd me!
Poor Ben, doomed to be unappreciated until he's dead. A short, sad existence.
Just like Larry and Duck...
Kenny constantly wants to leave. His talk of abandoning the group for the coast indicated he doesn't think the group will survive, which brings down everyone elses morale. The constant arguing between Lilly and Kenny further drove that line of thinking home, especially when neither one tried to coem up with a compromise. The constant attacks by bandits, along with Ben going behind our backs. If he had come forward, we could have evacuated with most of our supplies and no casualties. But blame also somewhat lies with everyone else for the deal, because he knew they would all say "no" and his friend would be killed. He had no confidence in us because it seemed that none of us wanted him there in the first place. Why would people who he thinks hate him give up supplies for his friend's life?
Lilly doesn't want to relocate. With Larry dead and the pharmacy picked clean, the only reason to stay in Macon is for the wall around the motel. The station wagon was a lucky break and that food wouldn't last forever. Certainly not enough to get through the winter I think. With the absence of supplies in town, and the only member of the group who would need a consistent supply of medicine dead, coupled with multiple attacks by a larger and more heavily armed group Macon had become far more trouble than it was worth.
Everyone messed up, which led to Lilly snapping at the side of the road. If everyone had trusted each other and worked together, I feel that the group would be far larger than it is going into Savvanah right now.
i agree, but even though kenny wanted to leave he thought splitting up the group would be suicide, he wanted everyone to come with him.
but everything else is correct i think
Okay, but... maybe not Larry. I appreciated him more dead.
Oh, personally I agree. I am just relaying the sentiment that happens here on the forums.
Rawr! *Subject A* did something that really ticked me off! I can't wait for the moment I get to *insert graphic execution of choice here*.
Next Episode is realeased...
Why did *Subject A* have to die? Sure I never liked them, but I don't think they should have DIED!