I'd have left her. Hated Ben and I suspected him also, but Lily was clearly unstable and I definitely wouldn't have wanted her anywhere near the group.
So many leaved her behind? I really liked her, he got allot of weight on her shoulders and she pushed trough it, her dad's fucking head was crushed in front of her, and she still saved me, two times against the two brothers.
She was a crack shot like Carley, she was a huge asset to the team. I hate that she had to run with the r/v, she was like Andrea+Michonne+Abraham = Lilly.
Well, i just hope i found her alive in upcoming episodes.
Lee chopped the head of his undead brother, Kenny watched his wife commit suicide and then shot and killed his own son, yet neither of them let that destroy their minds to the point where they murder someone like Lilly did.
I think most people left her behind for fear of her killing someone else.
Your comparing Andrea, Michonne & Abraham who'd go out of their way to help people, to Lilly, a selfish lazy crazy bitch that would leave a little girl to die?!?!
Think of the shit that those three went through and ask if Lilly would do the same.
Andrea single-handedly fought off the Governor with a gun shot wound, punched Spencer for suggesting to abandon the residents of Alexandria and was angry with Rick for giving up on the people of Alexandria.
Michonne saved Otis by fighting off Zombies with a Samurai sword, helps the group on many occasions and even assisted Rick & Glenn to the helicopter site, was willing to get tortured a lot just so the Governor wouldn't know the location of the people she just met.
Abraham helps out Rick's group the moment he meets them, agrees to go on suicide runs which leads him to take on a herd, he even saved Holly.
Lilly is the woman that does nothing, was willing to let people die whether they were her own group members or not, kills an innocent person when their back is turned, this is the person that can't even go on supply runs let alone do the shit that Andrea, Michonne & Abraham did, she even ratted out Lee.
Leave her on the side of the road. Not because she killed Ben, he's alright and all but it's just I hate her and jump at the chance of kicking her out. She murdered someone! Sure you can argue that it's partially my fault since I help kill her dad, causing her to whacko. But still murder she murder a member of our group. She was dangerous and unstable, she could end up hurting or killing someone else, like Clem.
Your comparing Andrea, Michonne & Abraham who'd go out of their way to help people, to Lilly, a selfish lazy crazy bitch that would leave a little girl to die?!?!
Think of the shit that those three went through and ask if Lilly would do the same.
Andrea single-handedly fought off the Governor with a gun shot wound, punched Spencer for suggesting to abandon the residents of Alexandria and was angry with Rick for giving up on the people of Alexandria.
Michonne saved Otis by fighting off Zombies with a Samurai sword, helps the group on many occasions and even assisted Rick & Glenn to the helicopter site, was willing to get tortured a lot just so the Governor wouldn't know the location of the people she just met.
Abraham helps out Rick's group the moment he meets them, agrees to go on suicide runs which leads him to take on a herd, he even saved Holly.
Lilly is the woman that does nothing, was willing to let people die whether they were her own group members or not, kills an innocent person when their back is turned, this is the person that can't even go on supply runs let alone do the shit that Andrea, Michonne & Abraham did, she even ratted out Lee.
I was talking about skillz to pay the bills. And we just met Lilly, remember Vegeta? He was bad at first, he did allot of stupid shit yet he is one of the best characters of all time of anything and most loved.
I don't remember Tyreese well but he did stupid shit too.
Abraham and Michonne where badass from the beginning.. or at least the first time we(readers) met them, Andrea got to "grew up" and adapt to the new world. She wanted to quit like a coward, thankfully Dale did sumting.
Lee chopped the head of his undead brother, Kenny watched his wife commit suicide and then shot and killed his own son, yet neither of them let that destroy their minds to the point where they murder someone like Lilly did.
I think most people left her behind for fear of her killing someone else.
Lilly was unestable already. There is no explanation that justifies what she did because it was stupid, i would like to execute Ben for his actions, that is what Rick or Andrea would have done.
He got away with it, two innocents die because of it, Katjaa's death was her choice not Ben's fault. Of course Ben stupidity was like cocking the gun.
I was talking about skillz to pay the bills. And we just met Lilly, remember Vegeta? He was bad at first, he did allot of stupid shit yet he is one of the best characters of all time of anything and most loved.
In 3 Episodes, she showed no skills. Did nothing in the first episode. Did mostly nothing in the second episode(depending on the choices you make) but then again, she couldn't get a head shot on Andy with a sniper rifle and as someone suggested, she couldn't take out a zombified Mr Parker/Travis when it attacked Lee and she had the perfect sight to take him out.
Third episode, OK I'll give her the fact she took out a bandit and I'll say "a" bandit because with the rifle she had, she only managed to kill one while Lee & Carley(depending) had to deal with the rest. But she did it in a reckless way that could've put members of her group in danger and it could've been avoided if she was on watch instead of telling a shit for brains kid to do it while she was hiding in doors.
But the fact remains she did mostly nothing in 3 episodes, Carley with her dead-eye is a better shot than her, she assists you at times & did more for the group than Lilly who mostly sits around doing nothing.
Notice how Lilly has not killed one zombie in the 3 episodes she was in, her kill count is 1 bandit & 1 innocent person in the back. Even Clementine, Doug & Ben killed Zombies, if a child, a nerd and an idiot can do it, how useful is she really especially as a leader?
And this is The Walking Dead not Dragon Ball Z.
I don't remember Tyreese well but he did stupid shit too.
Even after his daughter's death, Tyreese still did things to help the group. He didn't snap at anyone or kill anyone for no reason. He didn't sit his ass around doing nothing.
Abraham and Michonne where badass from the beginning.. or at least the first time we(readers) met them, Andrea got to "grew up" and adapt to the new world. She wanted to quit like a coward, thankfully Dale did sumting.
Like Tyreese. Andrea lost her only family yet still contemplated more in the safety of the group. She didn't sit around doing nothing and rely on others to take care of her and constantly snap at people and she certainly didn't murder anyone for no reason. She didn't cause problems for others. Abraham & Michonne were bad-asses when you meet them but they do tell you their story and frankly, they lost more family members than Lilly has yet they still keep it together and like Tyreese & Andrea, they actually do things to keep people safe.
i would like to execute Ben for his actions, that is what Rick or Andrea would have done.
No they wouldn't. They didn't kill Patricia when she helped the two prisoners to get weapons to kick the group out of the prison. They didn't kill Nicholas when he plotted to have them thrown out and to kill Rick. I'm sure they'll spare Ben knowing that he didn't mean any harm to others as he thinks he was helping out the group, which he did, kept the bandits at Bay to give Kenny more time on the RV, only mistake he made was not telling the group about it.
He got away with it, two innocents die because of it, Katjaa's death was her choice not Ben's fault. Of course Ben stupidity was like cocking the gun.
OK, if the math is done right. He only got one person killed, Duck. You say Katjaa's death was her choice so that counts her out. And he can't take all the blame for Lilly going gun crazy on Doug/Carley. He may have played the part but he didn't hypnotize Lilly into murdering her group members.
Even Clementine, Doug & Ben killed Zombies, if a child, a nerd and an idiot can do it, how useful is she really especially as a leader?
Just putting it out there, Ben has never been seen killing a walker until the stand off scene in EP5, and even then it's not clear if one of those that was shot was from him.
Just putting it out there, Ben has never been seen killing a walker until the stand off scene in EP5, and even then it's not clear if one of those that was shot was from him.
Well, he's seen shooting walkers with a rifle in the teaser for episode 2, but i suppose that doesn't count.
In 3 Episodes, she showed no skills. Did nothing in the first episode. Did mostly nothing in the second episode(depending on the choices you make) but then again, she couldn't get a head shot on Andy with a sniper rifle and as someone suggested, she couldn't take out a zombified Mr Parker/Travis when it attacked Lee and she had the perfect sight to take him out.
Third episode, OK I'll give her the fact she took out a bandit and I'll say "a" bandit because with the rifle she had, she only managed to kill one while Lee & Carley(depending) had to deal with the rest. But she did it in a reckless way that could've put members of her group in danger and it could've been avoided if she was on watch instead of telling a shit for brains kid to do it while she was hiding in doors.
But the fact remains she did mostly nothing in 3 episodes, Carley with her dead-eye is a better shot than her, she assists you at times & did more for the group than Lilly who mostly sits around doing nothing.
Notice how Lilly has not killed one zombie in the 3 episodes she was in, her kill count is 1 bandit & 1 innocent person in the back. Even Clementine, Doug & Ben killed Zombies, if a child, a nerd and an idiot can do it, how useful is she really especially as a leader?
And this is The Walking Dead not Dragon Ball Z.
Even after his daughter's death, Tyreese still did things to help the group. He didn't snap at anyone or kill anyone for no reason. He didn't sit his ass around doing nothing.
Like Tyreese. Andrea lost her only family yet still contemplated more in the safety of the group. She didn't sit around doing nothing and rely on others to take care of her and constantly snap at people and she certainly didn't murder anyone for no reason. She didn't cause problems for others. Abraham & Michonne were bad-asses when you meet them but they do tell you their story and frankly, they lost more family members than Lilly has yet they still keep it together and like Tyreese & Andrea, they actually do things to keep people safe.
No they wouldn't. They didn't kill Patricia when she helped the two prisoners to get weapons to kick the group out of the prison. They didn't kill Nicholas when he plotted to have them thrown out and to kill Rick. I'm sure they'll spare Ben knowing that he didn't mean any harm to others as he thinks he was helping out the group, which he did, kept the bandits at Bay to give Kenny more time on the RV, only mistake he made was not telling the group about it.
OK, if the math is done right. He only got one person killed, Duck. You say Katjaa's death was her choice so that counts her out. And he can't take all the blame for Lilly going gun crazy on Doug/Carley. He may have played the part but he didn't hypnotize Lilly into murdering her group members.
wathever but remember.
Tyreese frighted Rick for no reason and was always bitter.
Andrea was really "destroyed" if it wasn't for Dale she would have killed herself, later on she "grew up".
Abraham was really temperamental. But like Michonne or Andrea is hard not to like such a badass killer.
Michonne is awesome, i wish the
idiots
directors of the tv series chosed a far more badass person to give her life.
Tyreese frighted Rick for no reason and was always bitter.
No reason?
Did you even read the comics?
Tyreese kicked his ass because Rick was being a hypocritical prick. Judges Tyreese for killing his daughters murderer but overlooks at the fact he killed Dexter in cold blood.
Andrea was really "destroyed" if it wasn't for Dale she would have killed herself, later on she "grew up".
She did all that without affecting the other group members. She didn't take her anger & frustrations out on other group members and didn't bully them as well like Lilly has done.
Abraham was really temperamental. But like Michonne or Andrea is hard not to like such a badass killer.
I think you drifted off topic don't you think?
The main argument is that Lilly has no skills whereas you believe she has as much skills as Abraham, Andrea & Michonne.
In 3 Episodes, she showed no skills. Did nothing in the first episode. Did mostly nothing in the second episode(depending on the choices you make) but then again, she couldn't get a head shot on Andy with a sniper rifle and as someone suggested, she couldn't take out a zombified Mr Parker/Travis when it attacked Lee and she had the perfect sight to take him out..
To be fair, the Mr.Parker/Travis scene was probably just an oversight with the scene directors or whatever, as Kenny does nothing to help Kat in that scene either, even though he was standing literally 10 feet away.
Also, I thought it was pretty clear with the St. Johns that Lilly didn't want to kill them, just . If sided with in the meat locker, she nods in agreement to Lee's decision to spare Danny (even if you don't side with her, she never ends up killing him either). If you do kill Danny, she seems upset with it no matter what. If you spare Andy, she makes no moves to kill him either, even though she's holding a rifle and she has every reason to want to.
Third episode, OK I'll give her the fact she took out a bandit and I'll say "a" bandit because with the rifle she had, she only managed to kill one while Lee & Carley(depending) had to deal with the rest. But she did it in a reckless way that could've put members of her group in danger and it could've been avoided if she was on watch instead of telling a shit for brains kid to do it while she was hiding in doors.
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It could also have been avoided if Ben wasn't a complete twat and done his job. Besides, according to Lee she hasn't been sleeping much due to trauma (which is understandable), and a sleep deprived adult wouldn't make for a very good lookout.
But the fact remains she did mostly nothing in 3 episodes, Carley with her dead-eye is a better shot than her, she assists you at times & did more for the group than Lilly who mostly sits around doing nothing.
Notice how Lilly has not killed one zombie in the 3 episodes she was in, her kill count is 1 bandit & 1 innocent person in the back. Even Clementine, Doug & Ben killed Zombies, if a child, a nerd and an idiot can do it, how useful is she really especially as a leader?
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Er...I'm pretty sure Lilly was the one who trained all the adults to use firearms. Lee says something about that in ep 2 unless I'm mistaken. Also, when does Doug ever kill a zombie? I'm kinda curious.
Even after his daughter's death, Tyreese still did things to help the group. He didn't snap at anyone or kill anyone for no reason. He didn't sit his ass around doing nothing.
Like Tyreese. Andrea lost her only family yet still contemplated more in the safety of the group. She didn't sit around doing nothing and rely on others to take care of her and constantly snap at people and she certainly didn't murder anyone for no reason. She didn't cause problems for others. Abraham & Michonne were bad-asses when you meet them but they do tell you their story and frankly, they lost more family members than Lilly has yet they still keep it together and like Tyreese & Andrea, they actually do things to keep people safe.
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Difference with Tyreese and Andrea is that their families weren't directly killed by a group member. Tyreese's daughter committed suicide and Andrea's sister was eaten right? Larry, on the other hand, was (debatably) killed by Kenny. Whether or not he was really dead isn't even the point; in all situations, a group member either splatters his brains all over Lilly's face, or two group members gang up on her from her point of view to kill her father. Pretty understandable why she would become a crazy, extremely paranoid wreck who doesn't trust her group.
I'm not trying to defend Lilly, she killed my best friend in the game afterall (Doug, WHY!?:(*sob*), but I can understand why she went batshit and paranoid.
To clarify on the Tyreese's daughter thing, she made a suicide pact with her boyfriend. She missed, he didn't. So he ended up killing her (no headshot) and Tyreese choked him to death I think. That's how Rick's group found out you didn't need to be bitten to turn, if I remember correctly.
As much as I'm a big Lilly fan, I cannot deny that most of everyone minus Larry was more useful.
Glenn: Risks life to get gas for the group. Doug: Builds alarm system, comes to the rescue at the farm. Carley: Watches your back at rescuing Glenn, comes to the rescue at the farm. Katjaa: Motherly figure to the kids, acts as the medic of the group. Kenny: Saves you from Larry's knock out punch, meat locker scene debatable, goes on supply runs, goes hunting, kills the most walkers second to Lee. Mark: Goes hunting with Lee and Kenny, goes to the farm with Lee. Duck: Uh... helps solve the missing supplies? Clem: Helps you out countless times. Christa/Omid: Has your back towards the end, good people for Clem to have around. Chuck: Arguably saves Clem's life twice, Once with very useful advice Lee was ignoring, and actually taking on to many walkers so Clem can escape. Ben: Keeps watch, friend to Clem. Not much for him :P
Larry: Possibly uses the axe to kill the walker at the motor inn. Lilly: Keeps watch. Possibly saves you from the St. John's. kills a bandit. Again, not much she does for anyone but Larry.
I don't think "Keeping watch" should count in Ben's favor. The ONE time we saw him on watch, not 10 minutes later were bandits inside the walls and had taken almost EVERYONE hostage. Without a sound, too, until the leader started yelling.
I don't think "Keeping watch" should count in Ben's favor. The ONE time we saw him on watch, not 10 minutes later were bandits inside the walls and had taken almost EVERYONE hostage. Without a sound, too, until the leader started yelling.
Lol I know, but I couldn't think of anything he's actually contributed to the group before. Kenny did say "I see you got the kid on watch again." So he must have done it before.
You forgot that he also equated Ben being on watch to inviting the bandits to come in and rape the women and children. Not exactly an endorsement to be proud of.
No, he's also gotten several group members killed. It's not the greatest thing in the world to be able to do, but what else can you expect from the son of the Grim Reaper.
To be fair, the Mr.Parker/Travis scene was probably just an oversight with the scene directors or whatever, as Kenny does nothing to help Kat in that scene either, even though he was standing literally 10 feet away.
Also, I thought it was pretty clear with the St. Johns that Lilly didn't want to kill them, just . If sided with in the meat locker, she nods in agreement to Lee's decision to spare Danny (even if you don't side with her, she never ends up killing him either). If you do kill Danny, she seems upset with it no matter what. If you spare Andy, she makes no moves to kill him either, even though she's holding a rifle and she has every reason to want to.
Like you said, he was standing 10 feet away, Lilly on the other hand, was closer and had a gun.
She didn't have the guts to kill the St Johns. Judging by the way she murdered Carley/attempted to murder Ben when their backs were turned, I'm guessing the sight of the St Johns frightened her. Plus, it makes her look worse knowing that she'll be happy to murder her fellow group member that cares about her for no reason but will spare a duo of murderous cannibals that caused her dads death.
It could also have been avoided if Ben wasn't a complete twat and done his job. Besides, according to Lee she hasn't been sleeping much due to trauma (which is understandable), and a sleep deprived adult wouldn't make for a very good lookout.
Granted Ben's an idiot but why was he instructed to do watch in the first place? what was wrong with Carley/Doug? This is the guy that just joined the group, they knew him for a week, did she assume he knows how to shoot?
I understand her sleeping problems, but you got to remember she is supposed to be the leader and other characters went through traumas as well and they still did their job to protect themselves and the people around them, not staying in doors and keeping themselves safe from danger.
Er...I'm pretty sure Lilly was the one who trained all the adults to use firearms. Lee says something about that in ep 2 unless I'm mistaken. Also, when does Doug ever kill a zombie? I'm kinda curious.
Lee states Lilly keeps them on a training schedule, that's all he says. Doesn't specify whether Lilly taught him how to use the rifle or whether she's an expert at using these weapons, who knows, maybe the training schedule was for her also to practice her shooting. Maybe Mark probably taught them, the rifles do show up in Episode 2 where he first appears, unless they found it somewhere, it's safe to assume they belong to him and he must know how to use them and Carley may have taught the others how to use the gun because she seems to be an expert at it. There's nothing to suggest Lilly knew how to shoot before the apocalypse.
If you save Doug, in Episode 2, after Larry's death where Lee goes outside, he sees the zombie by the fence, Doug arrives(with idiot Ben) and kills it in the back. He didn't use a gun but still one more than Lilly.
Difference with Tyreese and Andrea is that their families weren't directly killed by a group member. Tyreese's daughter committed suicide and Andrea's sister was eaten right? Larry, on the other hand, was (debatably) killed by Kenny. Whether or not he was really dead isn't even the point; in all situations, a group member either splatters his brains all over Lilly's face, or two group members gang up on her from her point of view to kill her father. Pretty understandable why she would become a crazy, extremely paranoid wreck who doesn't trust her group.
Tyreese's daughter was killed by Chris, a group member, a shot was heard, he had the gun in his hand, he was the one that killed her, you see how disturbed the guy was when he shouted "TOGETHER FOREVER", Tyreese put two & two together and figure out he was the one that manipulated her into doing it due to his hostile and aggressive attitude and desperation into learning how to use a gun.
I might have understood Lilly's action if she killed Kenny or Lee(Depending) but killing Carley/Doug who never did anything to her and leaving the group for dead after they were kind enough to take her with crossed the line. There was no excuse. She knew what she was doing, she showed her true self to be a weak-minded, selfish, cowardly, murderous bitch that she is. There is no understanding that just like there's no understanding The Stranger's action.
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Andrea didn't have no skills at first. Lilly is ex military and her father too, Larry most likely teached her how to use guns.
Lilly worked at a Desk Job for the Air Force. Her so called "Military Experience" didn't help her one bit as she runs to strangers to help her dad, stays out of sight from danger, shoots someone in the back and leaves people for dead to save herself.
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Lee chopped the head of his undead brother, Kenny watched his wife commit suicide and then shot and killed his own son, yet neither of them let that destroy their minds to the point where they murder someone like Lilly did.
I think most people left her behind for fear of her killing someone else.
Your comparing Andrea, Michonne & Abraham who'd go out of their way to help people, to Lilly, a selfish lazy crazy bitch that would leave a little girl to die?!?!
Think of the shit that those three went through and ask if Lilly would do the same.
Andrea single-handedly fought off the Governor with a gun shot wound, punched Spencer for suggesting to abandon the residents of Alexandria and was angry with Rick for giving up on the people of Alexandria.
Michonne saved Otis by fighting off Zombies with a Samurai sword, helps the group on many occasions and even assisted Rick & Glenn to the helicopter site, was willing to get tortured a lot just so the Governor wouldn't know the location of the people she just met.
Abraham helps out Rick's group the moment he meets them, agrees to go on suicide runs which leads him to take on a herd, he even saved Holly.
Lilly is the woman that does nothing, was willing to let people die whether they were her own group members or not, kills an innocent person when their back is turned, this is the person that can't even go on supply runs let alone do the shit that Andrea, Michonne & Abraham did, she even ratted out Lee.
I don't remember Tyreese well but he did stupid shit too.
Abraham and Michonne where badass from the beginning.. or at least the first time we(readers) met them, Andrea got to "grew up" and adapt to the new world. She wanted to quit like a coward, thankfully Dale did sumting.
He got away with it, two innocents die because of it, Katjaa's death was her choice not Ben's fault. Of course Ben stupidity was like cocking the gun.
In 3 Episodes, she showed no skills. Did nothing in the first episode. Did mostly nothing in the second episode(depending on the choices you make) but then again, she couldn't get a head shot on Andy with a sniper rifle and as someone suggested, she couldn't take out a zombified Mr Parker/Travis when it attacked Lee and she had the perfect sight to take him out.
Third episode, OK I'll give her the fact she took out a bandit and I'll say "a" bandit because with the rifle she had, she only managed to kill one while Lee & Carley(depending) had to deal with the rest. But she did it in a reckless way that could've put members of her group in danger and it could've been avoided if she was on watch instead of telling a shit for brains kid to do it while she was hiding in doors.
But the fact remains she did mostly nothing in 3 episodes, Carley with her dead-eye is a better shot than her, she assists you at times & did more for the group than Lilly who mostly sits around doing nothing.
Notice how Lilly has not killed one zombie in the 3 episodes she was in, her kill count is 1 bandit & 1 innocent person in the back. Even Clementine, Doug & Ben killed Zombies, if a child, a nerd and an idiot can do it, how useful is she really especially as a leader?
And this is The Walking Dead not Dragon Ball Z.
Even after his daughter's death, Tyreese still did things to help the group. He didn't snap at anyone or kill anyone for no reason. He didn't sit his ass around doing nothing.
Like Tyreese. Andrea lost her only family yet still contemplated more in the safety of the group. She didn't sit around doing nothing and rely on others to take care of her and constantly snap at people and she certainly didn't murder anyone for no reason. She didn't cause problems for others. Abraham & Michonne were bad-asses when you meet them but they do tell you their story and frankly, they lost more family members than Lilly has yet they still keep it together and like Tyreese & Andrea, they actually do things to keep people safe.
No they wouldn't. They didn't kill Patricia when she helped the two prisoners to get weapons to kick the group out of the prison. They didn't kill Nicholas when he plotted to have them thrown out and to kill Rick. I'm sure they'll spare Ben knowing that he didn't mean any harm to others as he thinks he was helping out the group, which he did, kept the bandits at Bay to give Kenny more time on the RV, only mistake he made was not telling the group about it.
OK, if the math is done right. He only got one person killed, Duck. You say Katjaa's death was her choice so that counts her out. And he can't take all the blame for Lilly going gun crazy on Doug/Carley. He may have played the part but he didn't hypnotize Lilly into murdering her group members.
Just putting it out there, Ben has never been seen killing a walker until the stand off scene in EP5, and even then it's not clear if one of those that was shot was from him.
Well, he's seen shooting walkers with a rifle in the teaser for episode 2, but i suppose that doesn't count.
wathever but remember.
Tyreese frighted Rick for no reason and was always bitter.
Andrea was really "destroyed" if it wasn't for Dale she would have killed herself, later on she "grew up".
Abraham was really temperamental. But like Michonne or Andrea is hard not to like such a badass killer.
Michonne is awesome, i wish the
No reason?
Did you even read the comics?
Tyreese kicked his ass because Rick was being a hypocritical prick. Judges Tyreese for killing his daughters murderer but overlooks at the fact he killed Dexter in cold blood.
She did all that without affecting the other group members. She didn't take her anger & frustrations out on other group members and didn't bully them as well like Lilly has done.
I think you drifted off topic don't you think?
The main argument is that Lilly has no skills whereas you believe she has as much skills as Abraham, Andrea & Michonne.
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I think he means Mark.
To be fair, the Mr.Parker/Travis scene was probably just an oversight with the scene directors or whatever, as Kenny does nothing to help Kat in that scene either, even though he was standing literally 10 feet away.
Also, I thought it was pretty clear with the St. Johns that Lilly didn't want to kill them, just . If sided with in the meat locker, she nods in agreement to Lee's decision to spare Danny (even if you don't side with her, she never ends up killing him either). If you do kill Danny, she seems upset with it no matter what. If you spare Andy, she makes no moves to kill him either, even though she's holding a rifle and she has every reason to want to.
It could also have been avoided if Ben wasn't a complete twat and done his job. Besides, according to Lee she hasn't been sleeping much due to trauma (which is understandable), and a sleep deprived adult wouldn't make for a very good lookout.
Er...I'm pretty sure Lilly was the one who trained all the adults to use firearms. Lee says something about that in ep 2 unless I'm mistaken. Also, when does Doug ever kill a zombie? I'm kinda curious.
Difference with Tyreese and Andrea is that their families weren't directly killed by a group member. Tyreese's daughter committed suicide and Andrea's sister was eaten right? Larry, on the other hand, was (debatably) killed by Kenny. Whether or not he was really dead isn't even the point; in all situations, a group member either splatters his brains all over Lilly's face, or two group members gang up on her from her point of view to kill her father. Pretty understandable why she would become a crazy, extremely paranoid wreck who doesn't trust her group.
I'm not trying to defend Lilly, she killed my best friend in the game afterall (Doug, WHY!?:(*sob*), but I can understand why she went batshit and paranoid.
Glenn: Risks life to get gas for the group.
Doug: Builds alarm system, comes to the rescue at the farm.
Carley: Watches your back at rescuing Glenn, comes to the rescue at the farm.
Katjaa: Motherly figure to the kids, acts as the medic of the group.
Kenny: Saves you from Larry's knock out punch, meat locker scene debatable, goes on supply runs, goes hunting, kills the most walkers second to Lee.
Mark: Goes hunting with Lee and Kenny, goes to the farm with Lee.
Duck: Uh... helps solve the missing supplies?
Clem: Helps you out countless times.
Christa/Omid: Has your back towards the end, good people for Clem to have around.
Chuck: Arguably saves Clem's life twice, Once with very useful advice Lee was ignoring, and actually taking on to many walkers so Clem can escape.
Ben: Keeps watch, friend to Clem. Not much for him :P
Larry: Possibly uses the axe to kill the walker at the motor inn.
Lilly: Keeps watch. Possibly saves you from the St. John's. kills a bandit. Again, not much she does for anyone but Larry.
Andrea didn't have no skills at first. Lilly is ex military and her father too, Larry most likely teached her how to use guns.
Lol I know, but I couldn't think of anything he's actually contributed to the group before. Kenny did say "I see you got the kid on watch again." So he must have done it before.
He told everyone about how you turn when you die. That had some consequences but it was probably a positive thing overall.
You're right, forgot about that. Meat locker scene might have gotten even uglier without that info.
Like you said, he was standing 10 feet away, Lilly on the other hand, was closer and had a gun.
She didn't have the guts to kill the St Johns. Judging by the way she murdered Carley/attempted to murder Ben when their backs were turned, I'm guessing the sight of the St Johns frightened her. Plus, it makes her look worse knowing that she'll be happy to murder her fellow group member that cares about her for no reason but will spare a duo of murderous cannibals that caused her dads death.
Granted Ben's an idiot but why was he instructed to do watch in the first place? what was wrong with Carley/Doug? This is the guy that just joined the group, they knew him for a week, did she assume he knows how to shoot?
I understand her sleeping problems, but you got to remember she is supposed to be the leader and other characters went through traumas as well and they still did their job to protect themselves and the people around them, not staying in doors and keeping themselves safe from danger.
Lee states Lilly keeps them on a training schedule, that's all he says. Doesn't specify whether Lilly taught him how to use the rifle or whether she's an expert at using these weapons, who knows, maybe the training schedule was for her also to practice her shooting. Maybe Mark probably taught them, the rifles do show up in Episode 2 where he first appears, unless they found it somewhere, it's safe to assume they belong to him and he must know how to use them and Carley may have taught the others how to use the gun because she seems to be an expert at it. There's nothing to suggest Lilly knew how to shoot before the apocalypse.
If you save Doug, in Episode 2, after Larry's death where Lee goes outside, he sees the zombie by the fence, Doug arrives(with idiot Ben) and kills it in the back. He didn't use a gun but still one more than Lilly.
Tyreese's daughter was killed by Chris, a group member, a shot was heard, he had the gun in his hand, he was the one that killed her, you see how disturbed the guy was when he shouted "TOGETHER FOREVER", Tyreese put two & two together and figure out he was the one that manipulated her into doing it due to his hostile and aggressive attitude and desperation into learning how to use a gun.
I might have understood Lilly's action if she killed Kenny or Lee(Depending) but killing Carley/Doug who never did anything to her and leaving the group for dead after they were kind enough to take her with crossed the line. There was no excuse. She knew what she was doing, she showed her true self to be a weak-minded, selfish, cowardly, murderous bitch that she is. There is no understanding that just like there's no understanding The Stranger's action.
To Inferuz
Lilly worked at a Desk Job for the Air Force. Her so called "Military Experience" didn't help her one bit as she runs to strangers to help her dad, stays out of sight from danger, shoots someone in the back and leaves people for dead to save herself.