[SPOILERS]The Walking Dead Episode 4 REVIEW Thread

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  • edited October 2012
    Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

    He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.

    Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

    So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

    Great logic!
  • edited October 2012
    Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

    So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

    Great logic!

    To be fair, I was VERY forgiving of Ben in episode three, even though I realized then that he was very clearly a raging fuckup. But on my playthrough of episode four, he was also a defensive, smug little tool who screwed up multiple times on the one incredibly simple task I gave him. I'd been spoiled before playing that you can let him drop, and I was seriously considering it. But I didn't, because once again, Clementine informed my decisions.

    Even so, one could argue that Ben WANTED to be dropped so he could distract the other zombies and buy Lee & Co. more time to get away, which wouldn't make it a punishment -- it would make it a noble gesture from someone who had sorta effed things up from the start.
  • edited October 2012
    Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

    He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.

    Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

    So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

    Great logic!

    There are only so many mistakes one can make before I have to draw the line. Ben indirectly caused the deaths of Carley/Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Brie and depending on your playthrough, Molly. Almost every character that you can build a connection with that dies is as a result of a silly decision by Ben.

    Also he wanted to be let go. He wanted to help the group escape and finally make a right decision. I did feel bad that the fall didn't kill him. To have him break his legs and then get chomped on was a bit too far for me but that was the way it had to be.

    I know his heart was in the right place but his decision-making was truly horrible. I agree that dropping him was a little too far but for me he had to go and there was no option in the game to simply let him leave the group. It was either drop him to the zombies or have him in your group. With diminished numbers and the situation involving Clem and Lee, I can't afford Ben slipping up anymore.

    Like I said, if he could have left the group alive I would have went with that but unfortunately for him, it was the drop or nothing.
  • edited October 2012
    i sided with kenny the hole time . i agreed to kill larry etc . i think we did have a fight about something on the train but other then that i saved his ass millions of times and then at the end he spits in my face and doesnt come with me to look for clem . well next episode im gonna let him die in the gutter like the redneck trash he is .. i let ben die because he just puts everyone in danger . he isnt work keeping around he is useless.
  • edited October 2012
    epicdsl wrote: »
    i sided with kenny the hole time . i agreed to kill larry etc . i think we did have a fight about something on the train but other then that i saved his ass millions of times and then at the end he spits in my face and doesnt come with me to look for clem . well next episode im gonna let him die in the gutter like the redneck trash he is .. i let ben die because he just puts everyone in danger . he isnt work keeping around he is useless.

    its possible you have the save glitch which gives you random choices instead of yours. had to delete/re-install mine to get rid of it.
  • edited October 2012
    Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

    He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.


    I too saved Ben, but I have to disagree with you somewhat. I'm not sure I'd say he didn't intentionally hurt the group. He's clearly displayed his cowardice enough times that I think he made the deal with the bandits and covered it up to protect his own sorry hide. I don't think he had the interests of the group at heart then.

    So while I was wondering why I saved him I remembered the iron-clad sureness with which I ditched Lily and realized the difference.

    While competent in a fight, Lily went beyond the moral event horizon with her first words in episode one: She wanted to abandon three adults and two children to the dead simply because she was a control freak who was more concerned with the pecking order than what the right thing to do was. Murdering Carly was the cherry on the top of her sundae of badness.

    Ben of course did just about as much damage. But while he is stupid, cowardly and weak, he clearly doesn't want to be. Unlike Lily he knows the difference between right and wrong and, even if he's usually gone with wrong, it's eating away at him. That could be the beginning of some moral fiber for a high school kid whose biggest problem before the outbreak was probably how to talk to girls.

    So Ben can see the path and wants to walk it and is therefore redeemable. If he had begged to be saved when he was dangling over that pit I ... I probably would have still pulled him up, though I would have been angrier at him. He is just a teenager after all, and myopic selfishness is one of the last things people grow out of. That's if they ever manage it at all, see Kenny and Lily.

    And as paradoxical as it sounds, telling Kenny what he did, let alone doing it then, came from a desire to make things right. Sad to think the kid still thinks apologizing can correct something like that. He'll have to live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life.

    Heh. Just like us players.

    Aaaaanyway…

    So apparently the entire story has been about this: Lee's redemption for whatever he did before the outbreak by giving up everything to save Clem.

    At this point, I almost feel sorry for the SOB who's got Clem. Lee is the Walking Dead himself now and doesn't have much time. I for one wouldn't want to get in his way.

    Here's hoping he goes full Batman on that bastard.
  • edited October 2012
    I just finished playing episode 4 and am still in shock. I can't believe Lee was bitten, When the walker shot out from cover I though "Oh damn it! He better not have gotten me!" When I saw the bite my heart sank. I have grown pretty attached to Lee and once he was bitten I immediatly thought about what was going to happen to Clem. Kenny, Omid, and Christa came with me to find her, I let go of Ben. At first I wasn't sure what to think of him, he was a kid who was jumpy and didn't seem like he could handle himself in tense situations. Then after Carley was killed and Ben told me later he was responsible I wanted to shove his lying ass of the train!! He was the reason Kenny's family died and it was stated in episode 4 that he was the reason. He even left Clem alone surrounded by walkers!! When I got the opportunity to drop Ben I took it. A guy like that needed had no business with the group because he would have gotten everyone killed. I want to know when episode 5 is coming out because I really want to see how this ends and how Lee will punch out. If it were me I would want to die before I turned at the hands of a friend. Only after I knew Clem would be cared for though.
  • edited October 2012
    I don't know about everyone else but from killing the starving kid/zombie, finding out Clementine was kidnapped, and that Lee is bit; I was like,

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    whyyyyyy cruel gaming world
  • edited October 2012
    Before lee goes walker. I want him trapped in the room with the bastard who took Clem...
  • edited October 2012
    I came here to try and find a way to prevent Lee from getting bitten but it looks like it will happen no matter what. :(

    As for my choices. I let Ben go because he ran off and let Clementine get surrounded. In the end Ben cares only about himself and I never want to look to him for help cause he'll never give it or be of any use. Plus there was limited space on the boat so if I had to pick who doesn't get a ride it would be him, anyway. It's sad that he broke his legs and didn't die, that sucked but whatever, I would never trust him and he's more of a danger to the group than the walkers.

    I chose to leave Molly, she was too iffy and I didn't even know if I could save her.

    I also chose to hide my bite out of fear the group would not help me with Clem. Everyone went with me including Kenny even though I didn't have his back all the time, but I guess I agreed with him when it really mattered which probably affected his decision. I agreed with him to leave Lily, I stayed with him to find the boat, et al. Also to leave Savannah instead of staying in that house another day.

    at the end I chose "What do you want from me!?"

    I so want that butt hole on the radio to get stomped by Lee!
  • edited October 2012
    Hoqt wrote: »
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    I have a gut feeling that he is the one who kidnapped Clem. He is acting weird in the game and hardly talk. He alone was on the game screen for more than 3 seconds.

    Why on Earth would Bill Cosby do something like that?
  • edited October 2012
    The choices in this episode were pretty agonizing. I was lost between what to choose, which would be more morally correct, what would happen if I chose this or that, which would be better.
    I was so angry at Ben when he said that Katjaa and Duck's deaths were his fault twice and never mentioned Carley (Doug if he's on your playthrough). I'll hope for a Carley or Doug reference in Episode 5. I got extremely mad at Ben in lots of instances. I think this episode really did great at fueling your anger for Ben to make the big decision near the end all the more powerful.
    Honestly, this episode was fantastic. At first I didn't like the new girl, nor did I like her half way through the ep much, but by the end I thought she was pretty alright. I liked her, and liked the rest of the cast. This episode also made me like Christa a bit, and it's great that Omid stuck around and is better. I was so sad when I saw Chuck in the sewer though, my god. I knew he wasn't gonna make it. ):
    Being pro-Kenny, he's going with me along with Christa and Omid to save Clementine. I didn't have his back a few times though, and even those choices mattered as he told me that sometimes I didn't have his back! Amazing.
    I let Ben die because he's the reason Carley died, and I never felt any sympathy for him at all. However, when it came to the moment where I either saved him or let him die, I was actually shocked. I shocked myself, because I've always hated Ben SO much and always have gone about how much I wanted him to die in ep 4, and yet at that moment I panicked so much and didn't know whether I should let him stay or not. In the end though, I let him die. Because I'll always be upset about how my favorite character died because of him. But I made a separate copy in which I saved Ben just to see the differences, though he refused to go with me to save Clementine because I was always just the biggest ass to him, which is understandable.
    I started crying when Lee got bitten. I just couldn't believe it, and I love Lee so much as a character. He's my favorite protagonist out of all of the games that I have played, and it was so fast and sudden. Now I can see why episode 5 is named "No Time Left". ):
    My favorite episode is still episode 1, but episode 4 was really great! Even if the new TWD ep became your new favorite episode or not, no TWD episode disappoints!
    They say season 2 Is coming out but if Lee Dies, who are you going to play as? Clementine?she somehow gets older and knows how to take care of herself... I can't wait for Episode 5. Incredible.
  • edited October 2012
    Just finished it again and everybody came with methis time. I have a bad feeling that Ben is gonna fuck something up because it said "you have talked Ben into coming" that means it will prob impact the story 8(. That can't be good with Ben!
  • edited October 2012
    RobtMyers wrote: »
    Why on Earth would Bill Cosby do something like that?
    That looks nothing like Bill Cosby lol.
  • edited October 2012
    I loved this episode to death, but it felt like Telltale was focusing a bit too much on the action and a bit too little on the puzzles. I can't remember any puzzle that was as big or good as that motor inn puzzle in the first episode.

    Pretty solid 8, like most of the series.
  • edited October 2012
    Did anyone else think Lee might not have gotten bitten by the zombie if he was still wearing the jacket from episode 2 or an equally good jacket,or even a better one?
  • edited October 2012
    2-_-DEAD wrote: »
    That looks nothing like Bill Cosby lol.

    Sure his hair is longer, but there's certain to be a shortage of barbers in a zombie apocalypse.

    But for further evidence, check his sweater.
  • edited October 2012
    The one old black guy looks like Morgan Freeman.
  • edited October 2012
    The one old black guy looks like Morgan Freeman.

    With weird hair like that crazy lady in the woods.
  • edited October 2012
    lucidity02 wrote: »
    To be fair, I was VERY forgiving of Ben in episode three, even though I realized then that he was very clearly a raging fuckup. But on my playthrough of episode four, he was also a defensive, smug little tool who screwed up multiple times on the one incredibly simple task I gave him. I'd been spoiled before playing that you can let him drop, and I was seriously considering it. But I didn't, because once again, Clementine informed my decisions.

    Even so, one could argue that Ben WANTED to be dropped so he could distract the other zombies and buy Lee & Co. more time to get away, which wouldn't make it a punishment -- it would make it a noble gesture from someone who had sorta effed things up from the start.

    The problem with that whole bit is it was laughably badly done. There was at least ten seconds before the geeks were close enough to be a threat, during which time, rather than pull Ben up, Lee participates in a three-way debate on the subject.

    I pulled him up in part on general principles, but primarily because except for the silly, totally spurious debate, there was always more than enough time to pull him up.

    Back at the school, though, I didn't hesitate a second to vote him off the island. Ben's one of those buffoons (rather like the thread's first poster) whose bumbling and cowardice gets people killed.

    "Duh, I tuk this hajjit from the door. Wuz that okay?"

    The game mentions taking Ben along to give him a second chance. More like a tenth chance, and given the way he left Clem for zombie food, at this point he's simply fodder. I'll Otis him as the need arises.
  • edited October 2012
    Why are you reading this thread if you haven't finished? Finish!

    As for the ep...holy god, that ending. Those choices. I was shaking by the end. I dropped Ben because he begged me to. I told Clem the truth and made her cry. I made Kenny kill the kid in the attack. These choices were killing me.
    Speaking of telling Clem the truth, was it really written in stone that we weren't going to look for her parents? When I clicked the 'tell her you'll look for her parents' dialogue box it didn't really register that it was a [LIE] because there had only been a discussion of getting the boat to water; not that doing that preluded all other options.

    Since Vernon and friends were in a morgue, there would have been a hospital above. In the back of my mind I though Lee was going to mention to someone, 'hey, by the way, we have to go up into the hospital just in case Clem's parents are alive. That, and the hotel Clem remembered they were staying in.
  • edited October 2012
    Was anyone else reminded of "Metallica - Nothing else matters" when listening to the background music in the school (iirc in the room that leads to the armory)?
  • edited October 2012
    Gijake1 wrote: »
    Who voted for Abominable?

    Gary Whitta being a smartass?

    I've only had an opportunity to play episode 4 for the first time this afternoon and I loved it! Thank you! Still need to go play my second save. It's sad Lee was biten, but I was kind of expecting it. Really liked Molly, it was nice to see someone walk away from the group on their terms for a change.
  • edited October 2012
    Hi all. I'm not to worried about Lee. This story takes place in the same universe as the comics. For those of you that read the comics would know that its not the bite that turns you. Anti-biotics are your best friend in the Walking Dead universe.
  • edited October 2012
    Ricco man wrote: »
    Hi all. I'm not to worried about Lee. This story takes place in the same universe as the comics. For those of you that read the comics would know that its not the bite that turns you. Anti-biotics are your best friend in the Walking Dead universe.
    Um, no.
  • edited October 2012
    Ricco man wrote: »
    Hi all. I'm not to worried about Lee. This story takes place in the same universe as the comics. For those of you that read the comics would know that its not the bite that turns you. Anti-biotics are your best friend in the Walking Dead universe.

    I take it you are NOT one of those people that read? Because those that do read know that the bite is still fatal.
    EDIT:Besides that it's a virus, antibiotics are useless against those...
  • edited October 2012
    It's funny, all through Ep3 I was saying "got to get rid of Ben". But when the moment actually arrived in Ep4, I couldn't actually do it (I guess I was hoping for more of a "leave him behind", not a "drop him to his death"). Ended the episode with everyone coming with me to find Clem.

    To be honest, I don't really blame Ben for anything that happened in Ep3. He did have good intentions with the bandits, and it DID work -- it only went wrong because he didn't tell anyone else (ok, I kinda blame him for that). What happened with Duck wasn't even remotely his fault, it just comes under "shit happens". Same with Katjaa, but even more so.

    Ep4 was a different story though. Running away from Clem in danger -- no, you just don't DO that, even if you're young and stupid. He definitely got yelled at for that. The bit in the school was just funny though, right down to the timing of the walker invasion -- it's classic cartoon dramatic style. It's hard to be mad at someone for a facepalm moment like that.
  • edited October 2012
    I think Ep. 5 will make or break the season with critics and fans. They made cute Clem kind of unlikable with her rebellious behavior and Lee is going to die. Now, he's going to spend his dying hours saving her and they didn't exactly make me want to save her. I think a normal person would feel resentful. But we'll see what they do in Ep. 5. I think the end is kind of predictable at this point. Clem is saved, Lee dies, the end. Maybe they'll surprise me.
  • edited October 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    They made cute Clem kind of unlikable with her rebellious behavior
    Wait, what? Clearly you were not playing the game I was.
  • edited October 2012
    Miral wrote: »
    Wait, what? Clearly you were not playing the game I was.

    I guess you found her putting her self in danger, despite your clear warnings, charming.
    1. She enters a house through the doggie door, despite me telling her not to enter buildings without my permission in Ep 3
    2. She sneaks into the backyard, worrying Lee.
    3. She follows Lee and Kenny into town.
    4. Then she goes outside to meet the walkie talkie man.

    They trying to make her likable by having her do something useful, like find the boat, but it still pisses me off. Now she's in danger, again, and I got bit trying to figure out what happened and I'm supposed to want to save her? Not really.
  • edited October 2012
    Miral wrote: »
    wait, what? Clearly you were not playing the game i was.

    hello, clem is the reason why you're going to die
  • edited October 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    and I got bit trying to figure out what happened and I'm supposed to want to save her? Not really.

    im glad im not the only one who feels this way.
  • edited October 2012
    i am surprised some people arent making use of the three possible save slots, i have played 3 times and tried to make different choices then my initial game play. trying to piss off larry was fun. also i left clementine the first play through cus i thought it would be insane to take her to a place where they kill kids. i know she is a little girl but they give you the option of giving her a gun and you trained her for a reason. when i got back she had killed a zombie and omid was fine. Also when i shot molly she didnt die, they showed her running away from the zombies but i dont think her chances of climbing walls was very good since i shot her in the shoulder. I liked this episode but not as much as the other ones. lee getting bit was not that big of a shocker, at least not as much as katja shooting her self. still loved it and cant wait til episode 5
  • edited October 2012
    angelo1985 wrote: »
    i am surprised some people arent making use of the three possible save slots, i have played 3 times and tried to make different choices then my initial game play. trying to piss off larry was fun. also i left clementine the first play through cus i thought it would be insane to take her to a place where they kill kids. i know she is a little girl but they give you the option of giving her a gun and you trained her for a reason. when i got back she had killed a zombie and omid was fine. Also when i shot molly she didnt die, they showed her running away from the zombies but i dont think her chances of climbing walls was very good since i shot her in the shoulder. I liked this episode but not as much as the other ones. lee getting bit was not that big of a shocker, at least not as much as katja shooting her self. still loved it and cant wait til episode 5

    It's weird how things went.
    I use two slots: in the beginning, they were for the "Good lee" and the "Villain Lee".
    Turns out now I have the "F*ck kenny" save and the "Go along with that idiot Kenny and act like his pet or he won't even pass you a glass of water" one.
  • edited October 2012
    I very much wish that there were more than three slots. Or that it was easier to separate the save files on disk according to slots, so that you could back up one of the slots and replace it with alternates at will.

    I guess they're restricting it to try to lock you into your original choices rather than going back and trying to min-max or something, but there's still going to be some people who do that anyway via the rewind option, so it seems a bit pointless.
  • edited October 2012
    I have a theory for the misterious man on the walkie-talkie.
    I think it's the Governor. Here is why:

    Those who have read the book "Rise of the Governor" knows that he had a niece 8 years old. He was in charge to protect her while his brother was out killing zombies. But he failed at this task, blaming himself forever.

    What I think is that he sees in Clementine his lost niece and he is kidnapping her to correct the mistakes of his past. What do you guys think of this theory? It's pretty crazy, but could very well be possible.
  • edited October 2012
    I hope that Lee will find an antidote for his bite in the 5th episode.If Lee dies there will be no episode 6 or 7 and that is awfull,because the game is really awesome...and if Lee dies in episode 5,the gamers will play with Clementine or Kenny...there must be an antidote.I can`t wait for episode 5,you guys are doing a great job.I`m scared because 5th episode picture is with Clem watching a walker.I hope that walker is not Lee.I f Lee dies...there will be a big dissapoint for all the fans of this game...Oh and Kenny should live because his awesome,and Ben too! Great game!
  • edited October 2012
    danger77 wrote: »
    and if Lee dies in episode 5,the gamers will play with Clementine or Kenny

    NOT KENNY GODDAMNIT!
    I can imagine how the gameplay would fit his jerky attitude...

    Clementine: "Kenny, where are we?"

    Kenny:
    "I don't know"
    "Shut up and get out!"
    "..."

    And whatever you pick...

    "YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT"

    Anyway I guess if Lee dies it will be in the end of the episode/season, so we won't be able to play someone else.
  • edited October 2012
    danger77 wrote: »
    I hope that Lee will find an antidote for his bite

    what antidote, what the hell are you talking about. this isn't resident evil, you cant rub some herbs on your bite to cure it. it's over, lee is done. the black guy rarely makes it to the end, we should all know this by now
  • edited October 2012
    Well, since it´s a review, I have to say this episode didn´t make me feel as much as the last one, but that is mostly my own fault, because before playing it I´d been reading some review that showered it with praise, so my expectations were a little bit higher than the game could meet.

    And also, those bullshit IGN video reviews let me know who Molly and the bald guy were, and that Ben´s fate was up to me. Because if we´re reviewing a game you really like thanks to the story, we´re going to spoil the shit out of it while we are recommending it, obviously.
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