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  • edited October 2012
    What about the Black Widow movie?

    Isn't that supposed to be happening during one of these years?
  • edited October 2012
    Don't think they're doing one now. Which is all manner of stupid.
  • edited October 2012
    That is all manner of stupid. No Hulk and no Black Widow... world just got a little darker...
  • edited November 2012
    Bump!

    New casting news for the show. We got these guys:

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    That's Elizabeth Henstridge (as science whiz Agent Gemma Simmons) and Ian De Caestecker (as technology guru Agent Leo Fitz), neither of whom I've heard of. They'll be joining Clark Gregg and Ming-Na.

    Oh yeah. Ming-Na's in this thing too. Didn't you know that? Gah, get with the times.
  • edited November 2012
    TV Tropes forums already got me up to speed with the Ming-Na news.
  • edited November 2012
    They need to make Planet Hulk then make Avengers 3 adapt World War Hulk.
  • edited November 2012
    Mmm Ming-Na. As if I needed another reason to watch this show.
  • edited November 2012
    They need to make Planet Hulk then make Avengers 3 adapt World War Hulk.

    If they're going to adopt any Hulk storyline, I want Visionaries. That one is, in my opinion, the best as far as defining the character of Banner.

    I mean, this is the storyline that features Banner just losing his shit over inconsequential things and Betty kinda realizing that this is not the man she married.

    Like this part:

    Betty: "Bruce, what was that all about? Why are you being like this?"
    Banner: "Because I've decided that I'm tired of the world doing whatever it wants to me and mine. I would think, Betty, that you of all people would appreciate that."
    Betty: "I appreciate that if you don't get a good few hours of sleep, you're going to go crazy!"
    Banner: "Betty... sweetheart... my dearest love... You're talking to a man who presently has three personalities. What makes you think I'm not crazy now?"

    I can totally see Ruffalo doing a scene like this.
  • edited November 2012
    I just want WWH for an Avengers story because it is a story that has the potential to showcase the Avengers, by the third movie an established, non-volatile team, getting truly and utterly torn apart.

    Hulk wants the men who sent him to space in exile and destroyed the new home he made for himself, and he's angrier and more powerful than he's ever been in his entire life, and the team has to deal with the consequences of their actions and the possible destruction of their friend because of a mistake they made.

    It's not actually the Avengers in the original story, but it would work. Whedon wants a deeply personal story for two, but I don't see how they could adapt this without doing Planet Hulk unless they heavily edit it, so...eh. The main issue is- I don't think you'd see much of Banner in that story.
  • edited November 2012
    I'd love to see them do some version of Civil War for Avengers 3, but they'd have to start introducing more of the fringe, vigilante heroes first.
  • edited November 2012
    I was starting to see the beginnings of the Civil War mentality in Avengers by the end. I mean, we had all those interviews with people wanting to know who these mysterious people were and saying that they didn't feel safe and stuff. I don't even see it as a problem that we haven't introduced a lot of minor vigilante heroes so far. All it takes is a few scenes with some cameos of lesser known heroes beating up people who may or may not deserve to be beaten up to set the tone. It could be spread across a few of the bigger movies.

    Though I wouldn't really want Civil War as it was portrayed in the comics. It was kinda heavy handed. There's a different dynamic in the movies, of course so it could work.
  • edited November 2012
    I was starting to see the beginnings of the Civil War mentality in Avengers by the end. I mean, we had all those interviews with people wanting to know who these mysterious people were and saying that they didn't feel safe and stuff. I don't even see it as a problem that we haven't introduced a lot of minor vigilante heroes so far. All it takes is a few scenes with some cameos of lesser known heroes beating up people who may or may not deserve to be beaten up to set the tone. It could be spread across a few of the bigger movies.

    True. And I agree that it would be great if they themed the lead-up films of Phase 3 around it, showing how each hero copes with the problem before the big Civil War smack down. I do think the roster needs to be increased at least a little bit, though, otherwise it's, what, 3 on 3?

    I also think that Cap and Tony should switch roles in the films. I know in the comics they didn't want them to pick the expected side of the conflict but I wouldn't buy the film version of Cap going renegade and the film version of Tony siding with the government. I barely bought it from the books. ...ok, maybe I'd buy it from Cap - registration can't sit well with a guy who fought Nazis - but definitely not Tony.
  • edited November 2012
    True. And I agree that it would be great if they themed the lead-up films of Phase 3 around it, showing how each hero copes with the problem before the big Civil War smack down. I do think the roster needs to be increased at least a little bit, though, otherwise it's, what, 3 on 3?

    I also think that Cap and Tony should switch roles in the films. I know in the comics they didn't want them to pick the expected side of the conflict but I wouldn't buy the film version of Cap going renegade and the film version of Tony siding with the government. I barely bought it from the books. ...ok, maybe I'd buy it from Cap - registration can't sit well with a guy who fought Nazis - but definitely not Tony.

    Actually, Tony siding with the government isn't a huge leap in logic. I mean, he's a contractor for them (kinda) and everyone already knows that he's Iron Man, so he doesn't have anything to lose. He only needs an extra push, such as something disastrous happening due to unregistered superheroes, and he'd be signing up.

    Meanwhile, we've already established that Cap's faith in authority is shaken in Avengers and it will probably be destabilized even more in his solo movie. Depending on how they proceed with that, we might have more reason to accept that he would be a firm believer in the idea that superheroes can't work properly if people know who they are. Widow and Hawkeye would probably also not want their identities revealed... but then again, they might not be required to register, what with having no superpowers.

    As for the others, I honestly don't think they'd care. I can't remember whether or not Thor had any opinion whatsoever and I'm pretty sure that Banner didn't even know it was going on until after it was over. But if we added Spiderman and Ant-Man, who have movies, and maybe a few X-Men and some minor heroes, I think it would work out fairly well.
  • edited November 2012
    Actually, Tony siding with the government isn't a huge leap in logic. I mean, he's a contractor for them (kinda) and everyone already knows that he's Iron Man, so he doesn't have anything to lose. He only needs an extra push, such as something disastrous happening due to unregistered superheroes, and he'd be signing up.

    Meanwhile, we've already established that Cap's faith in authority is shaken in Avengers and it will probably be destabilized even more in his solo movie. Depending on how they proceed with that, we might have more reason to accept that he would be a firm believer in the idea that superheroes can't work properly if people know who they are. Widow and Hawkeye would probably also not want their identities revealed... but then again, they might not be required to register, what with having no superpowers.

    As for the others, I honestly don't think they'd care. I can't remember whether or not Thor had any opinion whatsoever and I'm pretty sure that Banner didn't even know it was going on until after it was over. But if we added Spiderman and Ant-Man, who have movies, and maybe a few X-Men and some minor heroes, I think it would work out fairly well.

    I think Thor was dead during Civil War. Or as dead as Marvel superheroes ever get, at least. Sadly Spidey and the X-Men are still owned by other studios so I don't think we'd ever see a crossover with them. They need to hurry up and make that Ant Man movie though.

    It would definitely take a few movies worth of set up, and I think the seeds were planted in The Avengers. I think it'd be a good epic capper to Phase 3.
  • edited November 2012
    I think Thor was dead during Civil War. Or as dead as Marvel superheroes ever get, at least. Sadly Spidey and the X-Men are still owned by other studios so I don't think we'd ever see a crossover with them. They need to hurry up and make that Ant Man movie though.

    It would definitely take a few movies worth of set up, and I think the seeds were planted in The Avengers. I think it'd be a good epic capper to Phase 3.

    Well, we'll have to see what direction the next few solo films take us in as well as where the TV show goes. I also wouldn't mind a completely new storyline that's completely separate from established Marvel ones.

    For instance, I always liked A.I.M. as a villainous organization (though M.O.D.O.K has always been ridiculous) and I think if they were handled correctly, they could perhaps be one of the most terrifying opponents. I mean, a coalition of incredibly smart evil people. They could cause far more havoc than they ever did in the comics.
  • edited November 2012
    Last weekend got to see the special features of The Avengers, and if the Marvel One-Shot Item 47 is any indication of the S.H.I.E.L.D. series, then count me in.
  • edited November 2012
    GaryCXJk wrote: »
    Last weekend got to see the special features of The Avengers, and if the Marvel One-Shot Item 47 is any indication of the S.H.I.E.L.D. series, then count me in.

    I just saw the one-shots from the end of Thor and Captain America. They were pretty awesome as well.

    The Captain America one involved Coulson defeating two armed gunmen with a bag of flour. I'm not even joking.
  • edited November 2012
    If the title of the thread didn't clue you in, Agent Coulson is awesome.
  • edited November 2012
    I'm kinda surprised that none of the cast from Item 47 will be in the TV show (at least I haven't seen any of them announced). That short really seemed like it was a set up for a show.
  • edited November 2012
    So, uh, here's your awesome news of the day.

    You know that new X-Men movie they're making? Days of Future Past? Yeah, it's not just got the guys from First Class, but acording to Brian Singer, Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart are on-board as well.
  • edited November 2012
    But the real question is, are we going to get to see what James McAvoy looks like without hair?
  • edited November 2012
    Man, summer 2014 is going to be a good one for McKellan's paycheck. The Hobbit AND X-Men?
  • edited November 2012
    So, uh, here's your awesome news of the day.

    You know that new X-Men movie they're making? Days of Future Past? Yeah, it's not just got the guys from First Class, but acording to Brian Singer, Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart are on-board as well.

    Also, Hugh Jackman's back. And not just in his standalone movie.

    Honestly, I'm less excited about that. Wolverine is cool but he doesn't have to be in every single X-Men movie. I'm not even sure why they gave him his own spin offs. The first three movies were already Wolverine movies.
  • edited November 2012
    Well, it's certainly going to be an interesting plot!
  • edited January 2013
    A little more info on the SHIELD TV show.

    The biggest news is that it's definitely set AFTER the Avengers movie. So Coulson really does live!
  • edited January 2013
    Also, Hugh Jackman's back. And not just in his standalone movie.

    Honestly, I'm less excited about that. Wolverine is cool but he doesn't have to be in every single X-Men movie. I'm not even sure why they gave him his own spin offs. The first three movies were already Wolverine movies.

    Really. You're curious why they gave one of their most popular heroes even more air time.
  • edited January 2013
    A little more info on the SHIELD TV show.

    The biggest news is that it's definitely set AFTER the Avengers movie. So Coulson really does live!

    The question is, how the hell are they gonna pull this off.
  • edited January 2013
    The most popular theory is that Nick Fury lies.

    Which he does. :)
  • edited January 2013
    The most popular theory is that Nick Fury lies.

    Which he does. :)

    Seems like the only one that wouldn't be ridiculous, though if so, Coulson's gonna be pissed that his boss stained his Captain America cards.
  • edited January 2013
    I'm sure Fury would replace them. He'd be a dick if he didn't.
  • edited January 2013
    I'm sure Fury would replace them. He'd be a dick if he didn't.

    Riiiiiight. Like Fury's not a dick. ;)
  • edited January 2013
    "Jesus, man, it's just blood. Don't need to make a fuss about it."
  • edited January 2013
    Let's hope Whedon replaces Thor and Cap with Ant Man and Doctor Strange. Then replace Black Widow with Black Panther. Keep Iron Man, Hulk, and Hawkeye. Actually, throw Hulk into space and bring in Daredevil. Then end with Punisher killing all of them with a shiv.
  • edited January 2013
    While we're at it, just replace everybody with their Spider-Ham equivalent. And add Howard the Duck to the team.
  • edited January 2013
    Uhhhh...hostile much? :P
  • edited January 2013
    ...Can you please change the thread title to be "Agent Coulson Lives! (and other stories)"?
  • edited January 2013
    Or maybe just "The Astounding Marvel Thread"
  • edited January 2013
    ...I'll think about it.
  • edited January 2013
    Thinking apparently completed.

    So hey guys what do you think about Peter dying(again) and being a ghost inside his own brain?
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