Mankind. I did however, ignore the situation that was provided. In a situation where I instantly had to choose between mankind and Clementine, with no syringes or whatever, I would choose mankind. In the plane situation, I would choose Clementine because the cure there would do almost nothing. As Spock said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Mankind. I did however, ignore the situation that was provided. In a situation where I instantly had to choose between mankind and Clementine, with no syringes or whatever, I would choose mankind. In the plane situation, I would choose Clementine because the cure there would do almost nothing. As Spock said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Selfishness has nothing to do with it. I am not saving Clem because I will be sad or lonely without her, I am saving her because she deserves to have a chance to survive and prosper, I chose her because she is a helpless innocent 9 year old girl who has been through Hell and deserves better.
Plus by saving Clem you are risking your life a lot more than by saving the vaccine. What if you lose your footing or grip while trying to save Clem? You could fall to your death as well.
There is nothing selfish about saving Clem. Its the Logical, Practical, and has the most likely successful outcome.
Selfishness has nothing to do with it. I am not saving Clem because I will be sad or lonely without her, I am saving her because she deserves to have a chance to survive and prosper, I chose her because she is a helpless innocent 9 year old girl who has been through Hell and deserves better.
Plus by saving Clem you are risking your life a lot more than by saving the vaccine. What if you lose your footing or grip while trying to save Clem? You could fall to your death as well.
There is nothing selfish about saving Clem. Its the Logical, Practical, and has the most likely successful outcome.
It's not exactly selfish, but it's more selfish then saving the rest of mankind. But, then again, look at my above post on my thoughts on the scenario we have to choose from.
It's not exactly selfish, but it's more selfish then saving the rest of mankind. But, then again, look at my above post on my thoughts on the scenario we have to choose from.
Yeah I get what your saying, and that would make a difference in the decision making process. But that is not how the vaccine works according to this thread and so by killing Clem you sacrificed her for nothing more than bacteria in a tube.
I understand what your saying tho, but that is not the situation.
It simply comes down to the situation and a vaccine is basically pointless in a zombie outbreak
The walkers are dead bodies all this vaccine would do is make young children (which you are probably never going to meet) from a possible infection (which is an unlikely cause of death) when a walker could still rip them apart or they could be shot or starve to death
It is a useless vaccine which would never be used
But if it was literally a button that ended the zombie outbreak I would choose it over Clem...
I choose Mankind I just wouldn't in this unbelievable pointless situation
I think its a very difficult choice for all of us..but,we shouldn't be selfish at this moment because we can save mankind. I think that the vaccine is not so useless for us ( for the humankind ) !!!
P.S i know that we all love clementine .
I love Clementine...however, I had to get the vaccine.
I totally agree with you. I love clementine too,but with vaccine we can save a lot of people as like clementine.
P.S the author of this topic ( zev_zev ) are " MONSTER " .
Hey man, you is casual not the screenwriter? ? ?
Pretty cool it turned out, I made this decision really long, very difficult and having weighed all pros and cons, stopped on a vaccine. It is clear that Clem is the little, lovely girl with whom all fell in love and which personifies good, but a vaccine is rescue, though not at all hundred percent, but it is chance, and you can call me insensible, but loss of one person, for the sake of the whole world is the correct decision.
I choose to save both!!! *Tells woman piloting plane to pull down lever bringing the bottom of the plane upward.* *Clem falls into cockpit with syringe* WINNING )))
Seriously, why can't you do that? If someone is piloting the plane, then simply tell them to drop the plane. If no one is piloting, it will drop on it's own(I think that's the case if the woman died, and you and Clem are all that's left). So couldn't you save them both, really? lol
Either way, I'd save Clem first. The world can do without it. And it was made once, it can be made again. A single antidote can't cure the world's babies. And what happens if the woman dies? Or the child dies? Oops, sorry Clem. I loved you, but... yeah... that was bad. LMAO.
I choose to save both!!! *Tells woman piloting plane to pull down lever bringing the bottom of the plane upward.* *Clem falls into cockpit with syringe* WINNING )))
Because the plane, began to take off, and a sharp lurch down would be a disaster, runway end
Um... it wouldn't need to be a sharp lurch, just down in general. I mean, if you are a skilled flier, no matter how high/low the plane, you should be able to land it safely(considering plane is intact).
Another answer: Close the cargo compartment doors? Or to lean to one side to allow gravity to keep the syringe from falling out of your pocket? Or have Clem catch it with one of her hands? You can still hold her with the other, if you drop her, you are a pretty weak adult, right? I mean, I doubt there is a way in that situation you COULDN'T save both.
I only choose Clementine because I'd think of her as my daughter, a little girl I'd sworn to protect with my life, and that I'd expected to survive. Any situation where her life was in my hands, that she could see me, was crying, was pleading to save her, was knowing that I could save her, there is no way in the game or not that I could let her die to save anyone else. It may sound selfish, but as a man, and if I were a parent, I would not be able to sacrifice someone I loved, even for humanity's sake. They'd have to get themselves killed, and even then I'd probably be so shocked and such I'd hesitate to react. I'd say I'd think a lot like Kenny. That she could survive, that she could make it in this world with me if I pulled her up. What good was an antidote if she died? I was doing it all for her, surviving for her, I was raising her to survive the ZA. That antidote might not even save anyone. It would stop the future children from becoming walkers. So what? They'd be born into a world infested with walkers anyway, and when their parents die they'd become walkers. What good is not being infected if you die from a single bite anyway? When all that was needed was shooting you in the head and it'd be the same affect? That antidote was too soon. The walkers in the world would have to be dealt with before trying to get the world to go back to normal.
So I stand firm that'd I'd save Clementine. I'm sure most fathers/mothers would agree, that if faced in that position, there is no chance they'd drop Clem(their daughter) on their own. She'd have to drop herself.
Another answer: Close the cargo compartment doors? Or to lean to one side to allow gravity to keep the syringe from falling out of your pocket? Or have Clem catch it with one of her hands? You can still hold her with the other, if you drop her, you are a pretty weak adult, right? I mean, I doubt there is a way in that situation you COULDN'T save both.
I only choose Clementine because I'd think of her as my daughter, a little girl I'd sworn to protect with my life, and that I'd expected to survive. Any situation where her life was in my hands, that she could see me, was crying, was pleading to save her, was knowing that I could save her, there is no way in the game or not that I could let her die to save anyone else. It may sound selfish, but as a man, and if I were a parent, I would not be able to sacrifice someone I loved, even for humanity's sake. They'd have to get themselves killed, and even then I'd probably be so shocked and such I'd hesitate to react. I'd say I'd think a lot like Kenny. That she could survive, that she could make it in this world with me if I pulled her up. What good was an antidote if she died? I was doing it all for her, surviving for her, I was raising her to survive the ZA. That antidote might not even save anyone. It would stop the future children from becoming walkers. So what? They'd be born into a world infested with walkers anyway, and when their parents die they'd become walkers. What good is not being infected if you die from a single bite anyway? When all that was needed was shooting you in the head and it'd be the same affect? That antidote was too soon. The walkers in the world would have to be dealt with before trying to get the world to go back to normal.
So I stand firm that'd I'd save Clementine. I'm sure most fathers/mothers would agree, that if faced in that position, there is no chance they'd drop Clem(their daughter) on their own. She'd have to drop herself.
I think Clem would hate you for this stupid situation -_- She'll stare you down from heaven lol. Either that, or in my version, would hate you for trying to get you killed :P
Salvaría a Clementine, tu argumento es muy bueno incluso excelente a diferencia de otros que he leído, te doy 10 estrellas, tú me preguntaras porque elegí salvarla te respondo, estuve en una situación similar las personas aunque le des a todos la vacuna buscaran la forma de matarse, Yo vi morir una niña en mis brazos y las personas no ayudan solo te observan mientras ella gritaba de dolor, su madre fue la única que me dio las gracias por permanecer con ella a pesar de que mi vida propia estaba en riesgo, nunca la abandone incluso mi blog se lo dedique a la pequeñita, pero eso si van los noticieros y te preguntan qué sentiste, para romperles la cara, lo cual me causo muchos problemas con la ley. Nadie merece estar solo por difícil que sea, si fuera el peor de los casos me arrogaría al vacío con la niña antes de dejarla morir sola.
Needs of many out weigh the needs of the few. Sorry sweet pea.
What if the needs of the many has about a 0% chance of successfully saving the many? And what if the needs of the few has about a 100% chance of successfully saving the few?
Too many moving parts for this vaccine to work successfully, so much would have to go perfect, and in the universe of TWD, or even in real life we know that that never happens.
Clem is the true hope in this universe, the vaccine is a false hope.
I haven't read through the entire thread, so I'll only be judging from the initial posts for this.
I'd save Clementine. From reading what that cure is, it's simply not good enough. It only works for newborn babies? There aren't going to be a lot of those. Plus, the ones that are born increase the risk of death for itself, its parents and their group dramatically. At some point in time, that baby will cry. If they are anywhere near any walkers, it will alert them. They can be dealt with, but it will make the walkers a much more dangerous threat than they normally would be because they would always be drawn by the cries of the baby.
I'm sure we're all well aware that a baby cannot defend itself in any way. That means someone has to be protecting it at all times if and when walkers launch an assault, which means one less person for defense(or less efficient in that defense). We don't really have time to wait for those newborn babies to grow into able bodies that can help defend areas, either. Having a baby is just too risky in areas that aren't very secure(which most aren't) and that means there aren't going to be a lot of them in the world, at least initially.
Survivors can adjust to the infection. It can become a routine practice to destroy the brain of people who pass on, naturally or otherwise. People can adapt to the new life and slowly try to rebuild by themselves(like the Alexandria Safe-Zone in the comics). Simply being infected doesn't harm you, and turning after dying can be dealt with(every house comes supplied with a batch of salt licks ).
If the cure were better, if it could be injected to any living human and cure them, then maybe I'd reconsider. As it stands, it's simply not good enough.
Besides, it's not like you're really deciding the entire fate of humanity. Survivors will still survive, cure or no cure. If it were a "if you save Clementine every other human on Earth will instantly die" decision, then I'd probably choose otherwise.
In closing, if the cure were better, or humanity as a whole was in more immediate danger by the decision, I'd consider dropping Clem. Otherwise, no.
This. This is exactly why I chose Clem.
What's the point of a useless (well, MOSTLY useless) cure?
The cure is a lie! If I had the choice, I would save Clementine "we have been through more things together then you can imagine, anything that gets in the way is going to wind up dead" this is pretty much how I look at it.
I really like this thread, one of the few that make sense nowadays. It's good to keep bringing it up, so new faces on this forum can say their opinion as well.
I really like this thread, one of the few that make sense nowadays. It's good to keep bringing it up, so new faces on this forum can say their opinion as well.
It's funny because this question is basically asked for the ending of The Last Of Us. Do you save Ellie and destroy the last hope of saving humanity, or allow her to die to produce a vaccine? Obviously as TLOU is not a choice based game you have no say in the matter... and Joel makes the choice to save Eliie over mankind.
As for myself, it's probably one of those choices that would truly stump me to just freezing on the spot. Dropping the plane scenario and the 'adoptive' prefix, could I let my daughter die for a cure?
I only say this because seems as I would've only known Clem a few months, I would be far more pushed to save humanity (despite how close I may have grown to her), and that would be my choice for the topic at hand. With someone I've known her whole life... that's where it gets the status of impossible choice.
In a situation where time is of no issue, I would have to let her choose. If she wished to die heroically saving mankind, how could I deny her that? At least I'd have time to make the most of what she had left and say goodbye. If she wanted to live, I would fight to the bitter end to keep her and myself alive together.
As a split second choice such as the scenario above? My state of mind would probably play a huge part. If I had lost everything else on this world and was at the very limit, I would indeed save my kid over humanity, no question. If I was more optimistic and reasonable, against every fiber of my being... I guess humanity would take the victory.
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Or 44 people aren't selfish.
So what do YOU choose?
Mankind. I did however, ignore the situation that was provided. In a situation where I instantly had to choose between mankind and Clementine, with no syringes or whatever, I would choose mankind. In the plane situation, I would choose Clementine because the cure there would do almost nothing. As Spock said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Did you save Clementine against vaccine?
Selfishness has nothing to do with it. I am not saving Clem because I will be sad or lonely without her, I am saving her because she deserves to have a chance to survive and prosper, I chose her because she is a helpless innocent 9 year old girl who has been through Hell and deserves better.
Plus by saving Clem you are risking your life a lot more than by saving the vaccine. What if you lose your footing or grip while trying to save Clem? You could fall to your death as well.
There is nothing selfish about saving Clem. Its the Logical, Practical, and has the most likely successful outcome.
It's not exactly selfish, but it's more selfish then saving the rest of mankind. But, then again, look at my above post on my thoughts on the scenario we have to choose from.
Yeah I get what your saying, and that would make a difference in the decision making process. But that is not how the vaccine works according to this thread and so by killing Clem you sacrificed her for nothing more than bacteria in a tube.
I understand what your saying tho, but that is not the situation.
The walkers are dead bodies all this vaccine would do is make young children (which you are probably never going to meet) from a possible infection (which is an unlikely cause of death) when a walker could still rip them apart or they could be shot or starve to death
It is a useless vaccine which would never be used
But if it was literally a button that ended the zombie outbreak I would choose it over Clem...
I choose Mankind I just wouldn't in this unbelievable pointless situation
P.S i know that we all love clementine .
I totally agree with you. I love clementine too,but with vaccine we can save a lot of people as like clementine.
P.S the author of this topic ( zev_zev ) are " MONSTER " .
Pretty cool it turned out, I made this decision really long, very difficult and having weighed all pros and cons, stopped on a vaccine. It is clear that Clem is the little, lovely girl with whom all fell in love and which personifies good, but a vaccine is rescue, though not at all hundred percent, but it is chance, and you can call me insensible, but loss of one person, for the sake of the whole world is the correct decision.
Seriously, why can't you do that? If someone is piloting the plane, then simply tell them to drop the plane. If no one is piloting, it will drop on it's own(I think that's the case if the woman died, and you and Clem are all that's left). So couldn't you save them both, really? lol
Either way, I'd save Clem first. The world can do without it. And it was made once, it can be made again. A single antidote can't cure the world's babies. And what happens if the woman dies? Or the child dies? Oops, sorry Clem. I loved you, but... yeah... that was bad. LMAO.
Because the plane, began to take off, and a sharp lurch down would be a disaster, runway end
I only choose Clementine because I'd think of her as my daughter, a little girl I'd sworn to protect with my life, and that I'd expected to survive. Any situation where her life was in my hands, that she could see me, was crying, was pleading to save her, was knowing that I could save her, there is no way in the game or not that I could let her die to save anyone else. It may sound selfish, but as a man, and if I were a parent, I would not be able to sacrifice someone I loved, even for humanity's sake. They'd have to get themselves killed, and even then I'd probably be so shocked and such I'd hesitate to react. I'd say I'd think a lot like Kenny. That she could survive, that she could make it in this world with me if I pulled her up. What good was an antidote if she died? I was doing it all for her, surviving for her, I was raising her to survive the ZA. That antidote might not even save anyone. It would stop the future children from becoming walkers. So what? They'd be born into a world infested with walkers anyway, and when their parents die they'd become walkers. What good is not being infected if you die from a single bite anyway? When all that was needed was shooting you in the head and it'd be the same affect? That antidote was too soon. The walkers in the world would have to be dealt with before trying to get the world to go back to normal.
So I stand firm that'd I'd save Clementine. I'm sure most fathers/mothers would agree, that if faced in that position, there is no chance they'd drop Clem(their daughter) on their own. She'd have to drop herself.
Agree.
P.S. Cargo compartment doors is jammed.
I think Clem would hate you for this stupid situation -_- She'll stare you down from heaven lol. Either that, or in my version, would hate you for trying to get you killed :P
Didn't vote.
LMAO that's how I felt after beating season 1 xxxxxD
I wasn't quite as dignified. Comfort eating may have been involved.
What if the needs of the many has about a 0% chance of successfully saving the many? And what if the needs of the few has about a 100% chance of successfully saving the few?
Too many moving parts for this vaccine to work successfully, so much would have to go perfect, and in the universe of TWD, or even in real life we know that that never happens.
Clem is the true hope in this universe, the vaccine is a false hope.
What's the point of a useless (well, MOSTLY useless) cure?
Why? I wrote my scientific theory about the possible creation of a vaccine. Refer to page 11
Thank's bro. I agree with this opinion.
As for myself, it's probably one of those choices that would truly stump me to just freezing on the spot. Dropping the plane scenario and the 'adoptive' prefix, could I let my daughter die for a cure?
I only say this because seems as I would've only known Clem a few months, I would be far more pushed to save humanity (despite how close I may have grown to her), and that would be my choice for the topic at hand. With someone I've known her whole life... that's where it gets the status of impossible choice.
In a situation where time is of no issue, I would have to let her choose. If she wished to die heroically saving mankind, how could I deny her that? At least I'd have time to make the most of what she had left and say goodbye. If she wanted to live, I would fight to the bitter end to keep her and myself alive together.
As a split second choice such as the scenario above? My state of mind would probably play a huge part. If I had lost everything else on this world and was at the very limit, I would indeed save my kid over humanity, no question. If I was more optimistic and reasonable, against every fiber of my being... I guess humanity would take the victory.