Don't worry, the ending is not always the best part of a game, even knowing what'll happen, which is forseeable by the way, you can enjoy the game to its full extent.
Are you currently playing the game (TLoU) Mark$man?
You know the saying "It doesn't matter how we got there, we got there." ? Just the opposite applies here.
It's funny because this question is basically asked for the ending of The Last Of Us. Do you save Ellie and destroy the last hope of saving humanity, or allow her to die to produce a vaccine? Obviously as TLOU is not a choice based game you have no say in the matter... and Joel makes the choice to save Eliie over mankind.
As for myself, it's probably one of those choices that would truly stump me to just freezing on the spot. Dropping the plane scenario and the 'adoptive' prefix, could I let my daughter die for a cure?
I only say this because seems as I would've only known Clem a few months, I would be far more pushed to save humanity (despite how close I may have grown to her), and that would be my choice for the topic at hand. With someone I've known her whole life... that's where it gets the status of impossible choice.
In a situation where time is of no issue, I would have to let her choose. If she wished to die heroically saving mankind, how could I deny her that? At least I'd have time to make the most of what she had left and say goodbye. If she wanted to live, I would fight to the bitter end to keep her and myself alive together.
As a split second choice such as the scenario above? My state of mind would probably play a huge part. If I had lost everything else on this world and was at the very limit, I would indeed save my kid over humanity, no question. If I was more optimistic and reasonable, against every fiber of my being... I guess humanity would take the victory.
No doubt, this is one of the best answers on this thread!!! You are one of the few who truly understood me, understood my question Thank you, it was nice to read this.
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Don't worry, the ending is not always the best part of a game, even knowing what'll happen, which is forseeable by the way, you can enjoy the game to its full extent.
Are you currently playing the game (TLoU) Mark$man?
You know the saying "It doesn't matter how we got there, we got there." ? Just the opposite applies here.
No, I'm watching a walkthrough of it though, and oh lord it's love at first sight. I really want it, but wherever I go it's sold out. Apparently I'm not the only one that wants it lol.
No, I'm watching a walkthrough of it though, and oh lord it's love at first sight. I really want it, but wherever I go it's sold out. Apparently I'm not the only one that wants it lol.
It was love at first sight for me too, because the intro already rendered me speechless. Best. first 15 minutes. In a game. (Ever?) Since I don't know.
Well, good luck with that, if you somehow can, stop watching LP's for the time waiting, because experiencing it yourself is just way cooler.
Don't worry, the ending is not always the best part of a game, even knowing what'll happen, which is forseeable by the way, you can enjoy the game to its full extent.
Are you currently playing the game (TLoU) Mark$man?
You know the saying "It doesn't matter how we got there, we got there." ? Just the opposite applies here.
I thought the ending was quite surprising in all fairness... that may just be me though, I'm not that great at picking up on early hints and such :L
No doubt, this is one of the best answers on this thread!!! You are one of the few who truly understood me, understood my question Thank you, it was nice to read this.
Why we cannot make "likes" for posts, on this forum?
No, I'm watching a walkthrough of it though, and oh lord it's love at first sight. I really want it, but wherever I go it's sold out. Apparently I'm not the only one that wants it lol.
This may be a stupid question because you said the word 'walkthrough'... but are you watching a commentated one or not?
I thought the ending was quite surprising in all fairness... that may just be me though, I'm not that great at picking up on early hints and such :L
Thanks! That's very awesome of you to say
This may be a stupid question because you said the word 'walkthrough'... but are you watching a commentated one or not?
It's ghostrobo's walkthrough with commentary. He is pretty good at it. I'm really loving the game, and I'm not even playing it! I really need to get a copy If there was one thing I was surprised at so far, it'd be the bloaters. Those things scared the living crap out of me the first time I saw them, since he breaks through a wall screeching like he's the incarnate of Cool-Aid man. Anyway, wouldn't the chemicals he shoots out infect Joel, since he isn't immune to the spores?
It's ghostrobo's walkthrough with commentary. He is pretty good at it. I'm really loving the game, and I'm not even playing it! I really need to get a copy If there was one thing I was surprised at so far, it'd be the bloaters. Those things scared the living crap out of me the first time I saw them, since he breaks through a wall screeching like he's the incarnate of Cool-Aid man. Anyway, wouldn't the chemicals he shoots out infect Joel, since he isn't immune to the spores?
I'd say they should, but either they don't because there is much fresh air in the area where you fight the bloater, or it's a plothole.
I'd say they should, but either they don't because there is much fresh air in the area where you fight the bloater, or it's a plothole.
If that was the case, you wouldn't get damaged by it. So yeah, I'd say it was a plothole or Ellie somehow transferred immunity to him. Or maybe he's immune too? Hmm... There needs to be a Last of Us 2 now lol
If that was the case, you wouldn't get damaged by it. So yeah, I'd say it was a plothole or Ellie somehow transferred immunity to him. Or maybe he's immune too? Hmm... There needs to be a Last of Us 2 now lol
The websites Thelastofus2/3.com are reserved already, according to rumors by Naughty Dog themselves, to prevent trolls from doing so, if there were to be new games in that series. And uh... considering the possibility of new games is a good first sign in my book. Of course rumors aren't reliable, but at least it makes sense. I'd buy a PS4 only for those 2 games.
It's funny because this question is basically asked for the ending of The Last Of Us. Do you save Ellie and destroy the last hope of saving humanity, or allow her to die to produce a vaccine? Obviously as TLOU is not a choice based game you have no say in the matter... and Joel makes the choice to save Eliie over mankind.
As for myself, it's probably one of those choices that would truly stump me to just freezing on the spot. Dropping the plane scenario and the 'adoptive' prefix, could I let my daughter die for a cure?
I only say this because seems as I would've only known Clem a few months, I would be far more pushed to save humanity (despite how close I may have grown to her), and that would be my choice for the topic at hand. With someone I've known her whole life... that's where it gets the status of impossible choice.
In a situation where time is of no issue, I would have to let her choose. If she wished to die heroically saving mankind, how could I deny her that? At least I'd have time to make the most of what she had left and say goodbye. If she wanted to live, I would fight to the bitter end to keep her and myself alive together.
As a split second choice such as the scenario above? My state of mind would probably play a huge part. If I had lost everything else on this world and was at the very limit, I would indeed save my kid over humanity, no question. If I was more optimistic and reasonable, against every fiber of my being... I guess humanity would take the victory.
I was thinking this exact thing after finishing the game myself! In my case, no matter what i would default to saving the individual until/unless they are able to decide on their own, or the cure/vaccine/whatever is guaranteed to be 100% effective.
This is a tough choice choosing the future of mankind or a little girl I have grown so close to. I have to think about this, on one hand we let the vaccine fall and pull Clem up. Positives: Clem is safe. Negative: The only hope to save mankind is lost, we could get infected, Clem could get infected, unable to make another vaccine. We grab the vaccine therefore letting Clem fall to her death. Positives: We have the vaccine, we can cure the infection, save mankind. Negatives: We let a little girl die, the vaccine might fail to cure the infection meaning Clem died for nothing. Conclusion I have decided that I would save the vaccine, even though I love Clem the negatives of saving her outweigh the positives, she could end up dying later on. The vaccine is a way to end the infection and save lives, would you let others suffer because you saved a little girl. Please don't hate me it's a tough choice but its something I have to do for the benefit of mankind, I'm sorry. I vote vaccine.
I was thinking this exact thing after finishing the game myself! In my case, no matter what i would default to saving the individual until/unless they are able to decide on their own, or the cure/vaccine/whatever is guaranteed to be 100% effective.
Dude! Spoilers! :O
Mornai... I'm not good at spoilers things on this site, sorry. If it means anything I forgot it was even a spoiler since some of the others talk about it... sorry.
In any rate, it is pretty obvious about her, ya know? lol She wouldn't be special otherwise!
In evil news, haha, I caught the mouse in the snare! >:3
As for the discussion, I'd say saving Clem would be more important. For Lee, that little girl had been with him for over a year, and he protected her through thick and thin. They are now a team, friends, and even family. She is the daughter he never got to have. So if he had to risk mankind for Clem, I'm almost positive he'd do it. And I know I would too for someone I really loved. Maybe it is selfish, but I would be fighting to keep those I care about alive, and if I failed that, no vaccine would make up for that. Either way, how could you call yourself human? Either you neglect your emotions and drop the person most precious to you, or you basically destroy many lives in the moments of seconds. However, I'd rather be the heartless bastard that could say I kept her safe than be the hero that will be forgotten, and will live a sad, alone life filled with regrets.
Lee did all this for her, didn't he? He got himself KILLED for her! He didn't even hesitate. He got bitten, but went right for Clementine. As far as I am concerned, no cure would allow him to drop her. This is the same man who killed a senator for sleeping with his wife, the same man who wiped tens to hundreds of walkers for endangering Clementine, searched an infested city for a man that stole her, and refuses to simply let her go even while bitten. That guy that dies thinking of her and her safety, not his own. That is my stance.
I'd kill thousands of people if it spared millions, it's a matter of logistics. I sincerely hope the people who vote for Clementine are never put in such a situation.
Wait what if the cures a lie, what if Clem is the key to end the infection, what if she's immune and we have to extract the immunity from her blood stream. Clem is the cure!
As for the discussion, I'd say saving Clem would be more important. For Lee, that little girl had been with him for over a year, and he protected her through thick and thin. They are now a team, friends, and even family. She is the daughter he never got to have. So if he had to risk mankind for Clem, I'm almost positive he'd do it. And I know I would too for someone I really loved. Maybe it is selfish, but I would be fighting to keep those I care about alive, and if I failed that, no vaccine would make up for that. Either way, how could you call yourself human? Either you neglect your emotions and drop the person most precious to you, or you basically destroy many lives in the moments of seconds. However, I'd rather be the heartless bastard that could say I kept her safe than be the hero that will be forgotten, and will live a sad, alone life filled with regrets.
Lee did all this for her, didn't he? He got himself KILLED for her! He didn't even hesitate. He got bitten, but went right for Clementine. As far as I am concerned, no cure would allow him to drop her. This is the same man who killed a senator for sleeping with his wife, the same man who wiped tens to hundreds of walkers for endangering Clementine, searched an infested city for a man that stole her, and refuses to simply let her go even while bitten. That guy that dies thinking of her and her safety, not his own. That is my stance.
Lee? Actually, I didn't mean him, Lee's dead a year ago.
It's another guy. Read carefully.
Wait what if the cures a lie, what if Clem is the key to end the infection, what if she's immune and we have to extract the immunity from her blood stream. Clem is the cure!
If you mean that she's "mental vaccine" you right. If you mean real vaccine, then no, it's another story named
I'd kill thousands of people if it spared millions, it's a matter of logistics. I sincerely hope the people who vote for Clementine are never put in such a situation.
Exactly! Only a strong person is capable of such a sacrifice.
This is a tough choice choosing the future of mankind or a little girl I have grown so close to. I have to think about this, on one hand we let the vaccine fall and pull Clem up. Positives: Clem is safe. Negative: The only hope to save mankind is lost, we could get infected, Clem could get infected, unable to make another vaccine. We grab the vaccine therefore letting Clem fall to her death. Positives: We have the vaccine, we can cure the infection, save mankind. Negatives: We let a little girl die, the vaccine might fail to cure the infection meaning Clem died for nothing. Conclusion I have decided that I would save the vaccine, even though I love Clem the negatives of saving her outweigh the positives, she could end up dying later on. The vaccine is a way to end the infection and save lives, would you let others suffer because you saved a little girl. Please don't hate me it's a tough choice but its something I have to do for the benefit of mankind, I'm sorry. I vote vaccine.
I was talking more as someone who becomes attached to another person zev. To be honest, do that many of us care so much for the outside world? By that, I mean would you put another country before your own? Would you put strangers over your family? The odds are you'd save your own flesh and blood over a guy you don't know. You'd feel bad about it, but hell that person means something to you.
Just like this; do we care about another planet? If it came down to saving either the Earth or the Sun, what would you do? Save the Earth yet everything dies without a Sun, or save the Sun and doom the Earth? It's one of those questions that truly can only be answered when the moment passes, as you were to hold that person you care about's hand. Kill the one person closest to you to potentially save the world, or save the one you love and cause everyone else to suffer. In my previous metaphor, that would make Clem the sun that gives the Earth meaning, while the Earth is all the life that matters(those who could die without the vaccine including you.)
I'd still choose Clem. You can't replace a person you lose, just as you cannot replace a hole in the heart or a memory in your brain. It's worth too much to lose. It is simply my position; I'd hope I was never in it, but I just wouldn't be able to drop her or anyone else like that. Maybe afterwards I would regret my decision had it been a stranger I had saved, but the life I held in my hands, right then and there, is more important than a vaccine that hasn't done anything for mankind yet.
I'd kill thousands of people if it spared millions, it's a matter of logistics. I sincerely hope the people who vote for Clementine are never put in such a situation.
In a clear cut case like that, sure. When killing thousands might, maybe, perhaps save millions? No.
Depressurisation what the hell does that word mean zev_zev
Try to open porthole in the plane, and you will learn what it is
Seriously - it's a physical process when there is rapid leak of oxygen and pressure becoming low. Depressurisation can happen if plane (or submarine, or spaceship) gets a damage - a hole in the hull. Besides during cabin depressurization in the hole starts to tightening everything.
P.S. I made a little copy of the statistics of TWD, here. You can compare, start the game and open statistics
Oh I see cool stats, I don't get many jokes, sorry. By the way I was joking about Clem being the cure, even though I shouldn't make jokes I just decided to let her fall to her doom! *Goes and cries in a corner rocking back and forth saying "What have I done"*
^I got sick and twisted laughter out of that one. I've felt the pain man, whenever I got the bad *Clementine ___* messages, I felt too pressured to restart xD
In an instant right? I probably won't ever let got of Clem for a bottle that I have a chance of dropping.
But why should it be one or the other? Can't Clem catch the bottle as it is falling with her free hand, ain't the point of the story being Clementine getting stronger and being more independent as she matures and loses her innocence?
I would choose Clementine, as even though you say the cure is a one-time thing, in a realistic situation ... if it was created once, it could be created again. It might not, or if it is, it might take a long time, but there's still a chance someone else could make a cure, too.
But there is only one Clementine, so of course I would not drop her.
Plus, we don't know for sure if the cure could save everyone. I wouldn't drop her just for that chance.
Mankind is screwed either way,I'll save Clementine so at least she can survive for as long as possible,and now don't get mad at me,but everyone is screwed in The Walking Dead,everyone!
After I finished The Last of Us, and after much deliberation, I finally was able to answer my own question (after more than six months since the creation of this topic)
Save Clementine
I'm a man, and people tend to be selfish. I'm selfish.
It is not my excuse - it's a fact
I am sure that if I had my own child, I could be able to make this decision much faster
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Are you currently playing the game (TLoU) Mark$man?
You know the saying "It doesn't matter how we got there, we got there." ? Just the opposite applies here.
No doubt, this is one of the best answers on this thread!!! You are one of the few who truly understood me, understood my question Thank you, it was nice to read this.
Why we cannot make "likes" for posts, on this forum?
No, I'm watching a walkthrough of it though, and oh lord it's love at first sight. I really want it, but wherever I go it's sold out. Apparently I'm not the only one that wants it lol.
It was love at first sight for me too, because the intro already rendered me speechless. Best. first 15 minutes. In a game. (Ever?) Since I don't know.
Well, good luck with that, if you somehow can, stop watching LP's for the time waiting, because experiencing it yourself is just way cooler.
I thought the ending was quite surprising in all fairness... that may just be me though, I'm not that great at picking up on early hints and such :L
Thanks! That's very awesome of you to say
This may be a stupid question because you said the word 'walkthrough'... but are you watching a commentated one or not?
It's ghostrobo's walkthrough with commentary. He is pretty good at it. I'm really loving the game, and I'm not even playing it! I really need to get a copy
I'd say they should, but either they don't because there is much fresh air in the area where you fight the bloater, or it's a plothole.
If that was the case, you wouldn't get damaged by it. So yeah, I'd say it was a plothole or Ellie somehow transferred immunity to him. Or maybe he's immune too? Hmm... There needs to be a Last of Us 2 now lol
The websites Thelastofus2/3.com are reserved already, according to rumors by Naughty Dog themselves, to prevent trolls from doing so, if there were to be new games in that series. And uh... considering the possibility of new games is a good first sign in my book. Of course rumors aren't reliable, but at least it makes sense. I'd buy a PS4 only for those 2 games.
I was thinking this exact thing after finishing the game myself! In my case, no matter what i would default to saving the individual until/unless they are able to decide on their own, or the cure/vaccine/whatever is guaranteed to be 100% effective.
Dude! Spoilers! :O
Mornai... I'm not good at spoilers things on this site, sorry. If it means anything I forgot it was even a spoiler since some of the others talk about it... sorry.
In evil news, haha, I caught the mouse in the snare! >:3
Lee did all this for her, didn't he? He got himself KILLED for her! He didn't even hesitate. He got bitten, but went right for Clementine. As far as I am concerned, no cure would allow him to drop her. This is the same man who killed a senator for sleeping with his wife, the same man who wiped tens to hundreds of walkers for endangering Clementine, searched an infested city for a man that stole her, and refuses to simply let her go even while bitten. That guy that dies thinking of her and her safety, not his own. That is my stance.
Lee? Actually, I didn't mean him, Lee's dead a year ago.
It's another guy. Read carefully.
If you mean that she's "mental vaccine" you right. If you mean real vaccine, then no, it's another story named
Exactly! Only a strong person is capable of such a sacrifice.
Depressurization
Did you save Clementine against vaccine?
Just like this; do we care about another planet? If it came down to saving either the Earth or the Sun, what would you do? Save the Earth yet everything dies without a Sun, or save the Sun and doom the Earth? It's one of those questions that truly can only be answered when the moment passes, as you were to hold that person you care about's hand. Kill the one person closest to you to potentially save the world, or save the one you love and cause everyone else to suffer. In my previous metaphor, that would make Clem the sun that gives the Earth meaning, while the Earth is all the life that matters(those who could die without the vaccine including you.)
I'd still choose Clem. You can't replace a person you lose, just as you cannot replace a hole in the heart or a memory in your brain. It's worth too much to lose. It is simply my position; I'd hope I was never in it, but I just wouldn't be able to drop her or anyone else like that. Maybe afterwards I would regret my decision had it been a stranger I had saved, but the life I held in my hands, right then and there, is more important than a vaccine that hasn't done anything for mankind yet.
In a clear cut case like that, sure. When killing thousands might, maybe, perhaps save millions? No.
Try to open porthole in the plane, and you will learn what it is
Seriously - it's a physical process when there is rapid leak of oxygen and pressure becoming low. Depressurisation can happen if plane (or submarine, or spaceship) gets a damage - a hole in the hull. Besides during cabin depressurization in the hole starts to tightening everything.
P.S. I made a little copy of the statistics of TWD, here. You can compare, start the game and open statistics
omg I just wanted to show you "stats" as like YOU are the player, and you get a stats in the ending of episode. It's joke. Never mind.
But why should it be one or the other? Can't Clem catch the bottle as it is falling with her free hand, ain't the point of the story being Clementine getting stronger and being more independent as she matures and loses her innocence?
No because, you have recently received a wound in the shoulder, force one hand not be enough to keeping the girl.
But there is only one Clementine, so of course I would not drop her.
Plus, we don't know for sure if the cure could save everyone. I wouldn't drop her just for that chance.
Probably too soon, but then I'd just have to say, "Dang, girrrrrl, you put on some weight!" *Dropped*
No please. There are too many new polls in this forum last time.
No, Clem catching it.
In real life, probably Mankind, but its really a toss up.
Save Clementine
I'm a man, and people tend to be selfish. I'm selfish.
It is not my excuse - it's a fact
I am sure that if I had my own child, I could be able to make this decision much faster
Knowing you, you'd accidentaly drop both. :P