...a lot of the obstacles that Lee's death created for season 2.
Y'know, that started me thinking. With the Walking Dead universe, it was entirely possible for Lee to survive the bite, or the missing arm. The screen goes black as Clem pulls the trigger, or she walks off, and she isn't exactly a master assassin, so it is possible the shot was non fatal, she missed or just chickened out.
So, it is possible that they could bring Lee back (although, that would be very hard to pull off without pissing off alot of people, and crushing the impact the last scene had). If some people with proper medical supplies and skill happened upon Lee, if they were quick enough, they could heal him, stop the bleeding, clean the wound etc...
Molly only appeared in the last two episodes, and her character is admittedly less sketched out than Kenny's, but I was never too fond of her. I thought her snarky attitude and superhuman survival skills were annoying, and seemed to clash against the tone of the story up to that point.
I do think that switching to someone too physically capable or action hero-ish would be a bit jarring. Lee had the right level of realistic ability, his pockets being able to house a blowtorch aside.
Y'know, that started me thinking. With the Walking Dead universe, it was entirely possible for Lee to survive the bite, or the missing arm. The screen goes black as Clem pulls the trigger, or she walks off, and she isn't exactly a master assassin, so it is possible the shot was non fatal, she missed or just chickened out.
So, it is possible that they could bring Lee back (although, that would be very hard to pull off without pissing off alot of people, and crushing the impact the last scene had). If some people with proper medical supplies and skill happened upon Lee, if they were quick enough, they could heal him, stop the bleeding, clean the wound etc...
I've said it before, I shall miss Lee, but it would be a detrimental cop out of the highest caliber if they somehow undid the meaning of his last tragic moments. The idea of him having to leave Clem only to survive being infected and chained down in an overrun city would only hurt the story at this point.
Y'know, that started me thinking. With the Walking Dead universe, it was entirely possible for Lee to survive the bite, or the missing arm. The screen goes black as Clem pulls the trigger, or she walks off, and she isn't exactly a master assassin, so it is possible the shot was non fatal, she missed or just chickened out.
So, it is possible that they could bring Lee back (although, that would be very hard to pull off without pissing off alot of people, and crushing the impact the last scene had). If some people with proper medical supplies and skill happened upon Lee, if they were quick enough, they could heal him, stop the bleeding, clean the wound etc...
I don't understand why people say that. Why would it be bad for him to be back? That sad moment is still there, if not worse! If Lee survived, he would have no idea where Clemmy was and wouldn't know what happened to her. And until they could reunite, Clem would think he was dead That would be really saddening, and then once they get together reunite, wouldn't that be touching? Especially since the world is still shit, and either one of them could still end up dying, but allowing Lee to return until the end of TWD game series and then killing him off once and for all(or killing Clem ) would be a much more touching response in my opinion. Any way that Lee could survive realistically would be awesome, and I'd love if he could return even if for a short time, just to have Lee be able to tell Clem he loves her(like a parent lol).
I don't understand why people say that. Why would it be bad for him to be back? That sad moment is still there, if not worse! If Lee survived, he would have no idea where Clemmy was and wouldn't know what happened to her. And until they could reunite, Clem would think he was dead That would be really saddening, and then once they get together reunite, wouldn't that be touching? Especially since the world is still shit, and either one of them could still end up dying, but allowing Lee to return until the end of TWD game series and then killing him off once and for all(or killing Clem ) would be a much more touching response in my opinion. Any way that Lee could survive realistically would be awesome, and I'd love if he could return even if for a short time, just to have Lee be able to tell Clem he loves her(like a parent lol).
Beleive me, if they could do it without it being terrible, I would want them too. But at the same time, I don't. I love Lee as a character, and the ending is amazing because it wraps everything up, having Lee give his final advice, and goodbyes, and sending Clem into the world alone. It would just feel like a cop out (if I am using that phrase correctly) for them to pull him back.
It is possible that they could make it work, but it is not likely, and would probably be better to let it go and have a new survivor.
Beleive me, if they could do it without it being terrible, I would want them too. But at the same time, I don't. I love Lee as a character, and the ending is amazing because it wraps everything up, having Lee give his final advice, and goodbyes, and sending Clem into the world alone. It would just feel like a cop out (if I am using that phrase correctly) for them to pull him back.
It is possible that they could make it work, but it is not likely, and would probably be better to let it go and have a new survivor.
I don't think it wrapped everything up, because Clem still needed him. She wasn't ready... That, and I feel like I died. Now with another character raising Clem? It just won't feel the same...
I don't think it wrapped everything up, because Clem still needed him. She wasn't ready... That, and I feel like I died. Now with another character raising Clem? It just won't feel the same...
Well, Clem would never seem ready, not for in game Years anyhow, so that unavoidable, unless the game lasted much longer.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Kinda annoying, as I now feel like everything I do is just passing time until Season 2 comes out.
That was for season 1 WHEN CLEM WAS NOT READY TO BE ALONE now sher is ready
She may be ready mentally but she will always be in danger due to her physical limitations. Look at how many hand-to-hand battles Lee had to go through with walkers, AND how much he struggled with each and every one of them. A 9 year old girl's body cannot showcase that same strength, no matter how smart she is.
TT have really dug a hole for themselves here...IF Lee is really dead,what are the options? Lily? fans either hate her or like her,a new main character? right away he/she would be compared to Lee and HATED because of it LOL Christa/Omid/Kenny not enough likeable and you would be thinking only Lee's thoughts through other characters...BRING BACK LEE
TT have really dug a hole for themselves here...IF Lee is really dead,what are the options? Lily? fans either hate her or like her,a new main character? right away he/she would be compared to Lee and HATED because of it LOL Christa/Omid/Kenny not enough likeable and you would be thinking only Lee's thoughts through other characters...BRING BACK LEE
Yeah, but bringing back Lee, in my eyes, would ruin the S1 ending. It was so emotional, and they made it so Lee is as good as dead. Brining him back would just mess that up, make the S1 ending have much less impact.
I think they need to keep things fresh. Clems story feels complete. Its time to move on to someone else's story.
I disagree completely. It would have felt complete with the regular ending, but the epilogue screams sequel. It's like adding the first paragraph of another chapter at the end of a book.
I think they need to keep things fresh. Clems story feels complete. Its time to move on to someone else's story.
The main character dying and leaving behind a 9 year old girl, who is later found by two unknown silhouettes before the screen cuts to black, leaving her fate frustratingly ambiguous, is complete to you?
The main character dying and leaving behind a 9 year old girl, who is later found by two unknown silhouettes before the screen cuts to black, leaving her fate frustratingly ambiguous, is complete to you?
...how?
It's been a long time since I've anticipated something so much, and that can be boiled down to two reasons:
1) The identity of the new PC
2) The identity of those two silhouettes
I suspect they'll turn out to be one and the same, but Telltale could have other surprises up their sleeves.
The main character dying and leaving behind a 9 year old girl, who is later found by two unknown silhouettes before the screen cuts to black, leaving her fate frustratingly ambiguous, is complete to you?
...how?
To be honest, when I first finished the game I figured we should try to get used to accepting it as the end of Clementine's story. I could see it as one of those saddening cliffhangers intended to be ambiguous enough to let people believe whether or not things would be OK.
But now with more episodes lined up, and all of the predictions of a season 2 lead being one of the silhouettes finding her at some point, I dare to hope that she's seen again at least. I don't really expect to see the same kind of guardian role, or father-figure dynamic this next season though. It's sad picturing someone new trying to build the same relationship that she had with Lee..
I don't understand the opposition against playing new characters - no one knew Lee before we played episode 1, so he was new too.
This is just a question of being stuck in a comfort zone - considering TTG's ability to create good, believable characters, I have full confidence that a new character will be just as good as Lee and co.
The main character dying and leaving behind a 9 year old girl, who is later found by two unknown silhouettes before the screen cuts to black, leaving her fate frustratingly ambiguous, is complete to you?
...how?
Finish the story in your own head - the people seen could be zombies out for a snack on Clem, Christa and Omid or a couple of unknown persons. The cool thing about it is: You decide!
Finish the story in your own head - the people seen could be zombies out for a snack on Clem, Christa and Omid or a couple of unknown persons. The cool thing about it is: You decide!
Uhm...hello? This is a video game? I know we couldn't do jack-squat about saving Lee, but I like to think TTG will allow us to affect the story just a little more in season 2.
Sorry, but releasing the second season without providing any follow-up to the cliffhanger would be weird and dumb in so many ways. Trying to subvert an audience's expectations is one thing. Trolling your audience is quite another.
Uhm...hello? This is a video game? I know we couldn't do jack-squat about saving Lee, but I like to think TTG will allow us to affect the story just a little more in season 2.
Sorry, but releasing the second season without providing any follow-up to the cliffhanger would be weird and dumb in so many ways. Trying to subvert an audience's expectations is one thing. Trolling your audience is quite another.
I think the protaganist should be Lee's wife. None of the existing characters should be used as a protaganist, they are to firmly established in my mind, and taking control of them would be off putting.
With Lee's wife you have a connection to the character you used to be, and the player can even continue fleshing out who he was when she talks about him. Lee's wife while not an established character has at least been mentioned so we know she inhabits the world. If/when she meets up with Clem, it will make for an intresting piece of drama when it is discovered Clem's former gaurdian was this woman's husband. So the player while in the know about everything will be able to build up the story of Lee and his wife, how Clem's group feel about her, and how it plays out when Clem finds one other person in the world who did love Lee (loved at one point at least).
You could even start the game with her cheating on Lee, and when Lee comes in and kills him, your first decision will be how to react to this.
For me this is the best option, Telltale could do something completely diffrent and I would be ok with it, but for me atleast this will be headcanon until Telltale shows me difrently.
It would be silly if you can control a girl without any great skills.I wish Clem and Omid and Christa meet a new group of survivors and then you can control the leader of that group and it would be great if you would be able to select the character you want.
I think that was intentional. After all, difficult decisions lose their effect if you can simply go back and change it easily. This way, it discourages people from going back to retry, and having decisions stick with you, even if you regret them later.
I agree that it must have been an intentional choice for that exact reason, but for me personally, it's a frustrating deal-breaker.
The last thing I remember doing was choosing not to ransack some poor schmoe's (still running!) car. I certainly didn't regret the choice, and I understand the storytelling desire to force me to suffer the consequences of putting ourselves at risk to set a good example for the remainder of Clementine's life.
But I don't think it was worth it, really. As well-written as the game was, we all know it can only do so much, and the consequences aren't really going to be majorly affecting the plot-line, just making it more personal.
So why not give us the ability of seeing the alternative? It's hard not to be curious what Selfish Lee would have said.
Why do people want Clementine to come back as some expert survivalist superhero? Who taught her how to survive? How long did they survive?
The after credits scene is there to give hope the same as Christa and Omid, who were poorly developed in my opinion. The game ends pretty dark like the comic book, but some are now demanding a returning cast and a chance for a happy ending.
The more rumours and speculations I hear, the more I'm inclined to believe Telltale will either have a brand-new character as the PC, or promote Clementine to the role.
I know many members of this forum would balk at the idea of playing a nine-year-old girl, but besides selecting Kenny as the PC, I don't see any other way that Telltale could continue to evolve the emotional connections and bonds they nurtured throughout season 1. Introducing an entirely new PC has its own set of problems, in that the player would essentially be "starting over from scratch", which runs a high risk of making him/her feel as if all their choices and actions in S1 were ultimately redundant.
I think the protaganist should be Lee's wife. None of the existing characters should be used as a protaganist, they are to firmly established in my mind, and taking control of them would be off putting.
With Lee's wife you have a connection to the character you used to be, and the player can even continue fleshing out who he was when she talks about him. Lee's wife while not an established character has at least been mentioned so we know she inhabits the world. If/when she meets up with Clem, it will make for an intresting piece of drama when it is discovered Clem's former gaurdian was this woman's husband. So the player while in the know about everything will be able to build up the story of Lee and his wife, how Clem's group feel about her, and how it plays out when Clem finds one other person in the world who did love Lee (loved at one point at least).
You could even start the game with her cheating on Lee, and when Lee comes in and kills him, your first decision will be how to react to this.
For me this is the best option, Telltale could do something completely diffrent and I would be ok with it, but for me atleast this will be headcanon until Telltale shows me difrently.
Problem is, you're more or less playing as Lori. She's far from a popular character, and regardless of what Lee's wife do, she'll be shamed to submission just as Lori was.
Not to say that playing as Lee's wife is a bad idea, I'm open to the possibility, but from what I've seen from players and viewers reaction, murder is more forgivable than adultery these says, so it seems.
Even though technically Lori never committed adultery- she thought her husband was dead and, at least in the TV series, as SOON as she discovered he was alive, she broke off her affair. She even was honest with her husband about it. Well, a little later, but better late than never. I don't understand why people call her a whore. If anyone, Maggie should be the first to deserve that nickname, for immediately agreeing to sleep with a guy she barely even knows.
Anyway, on topic, I want a new playable character. I certainly hope we won't be playing Clementine. After all, this is a roleplaying game, and it would be hard to roleplay a child- for that you'd have to think as a child. The decisions made by adult YOU would very likely not fit Clem's character, and if you try to stay in character, the decisions and the dialogue will not depict what you actually want to say. So no, I don't think they'll let us play as Clem. The protagonist will probably be another average adult character that most of the audience can relate to. Maybe a female this time, although I personally hope not.
The protagonist will probably be another average adult character that most of the audience can relate to. Maybe a female this time, although I personally hope not.
but besides selecting Kenny as the PC, I don't see any other way that Telltale could continue to evolve the emotional connections and bonds they nurtured throughout season 1.
Umm no, just no! That would be the worst thing ever, I'm simply not going to play as Kenny because I hate him. Besides, he's dead. Time to move on people...
Possibly because it could feel forced on us and make the female lead unrelatable?
I would actually like to see a female lead in Season 2, but only if they don't make her gender a plot point and rely on 'female' characteristics and stereotypes.
Umm no, just no! That would be the worst thing ever, I'm simply not going to play as Kenny because I hate him. Besides, he's dead. Time to move on people...
And how do you know exactly ? Did you see a picture of him being dead ? Like it or not , we will have to know what happened to him in season 2 . Alive or dead , I don't care .
I would actually like to see a female lead in Season 2, but only if they don't make her gender a plot point and rely on 'female' characteristics and stereotypes.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Was Lee's African-Americanness used as a "plot point" by S1's writers? Other than one boneheaded remark from Kenny during episode 2, it didn't factor into the story at all.
Umm no, just no! That would be the worst thing ever, I'm simply not going to play as Kenny because I hate him. Besides, he's dead. Time to move on people...
Like it or not, Robert Morgan is right. Kenny is the only person from season 1 who has potential to be season 2 protagonist. We've seen his good side (risking his life to save a guy, even if he wanted to kill Kenny's son few hours ago, saving pregnant woman, even if it costs him his life) and his bad side (leaving guy to death for disagreeing with him, suggesting to abandon a guy behind, just because he has broken leg). Still, chances are very slim that he even survived, and even if he did, I'm pretty sure season 2 protagonist will be a new character.
Well maybe I used the wrong terms to emphasize the points I'm trying to make, all I meant was if Season 2 does have a female lead, I'd rather her character comes first rather than her gender. That's why Carley, Lilly (pre-insanity), Christa, etc. felt like good examples of female characters.
Well maybe I used the wrong terms to emphasize the points I'm trying to make, all I meant was if Season 2 does have a female lead, I'd rather her character comes first rather than her gender. That's why Carley, Lilly (pre-insanity), Christa, etc. felt like good examples of female characters.
Well that could mean that Bonnie has the potential to be season 2 protagonist because she always goes with Tavia .
Because I find it hard to play as females in roleplaying games. I can't immerse myself while playing as a different gender. But that's just my personal preference, I in no way have anything against the idea of female protagonists.
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Y'know, that started me thinking. With the Walking Dead universe, it was entirely possible for Lee to survive the bite, or the missing arm. The screen goes black as Clem pulls the trigger, or she walks off, and she isn't exactly a master assassin, so it is possible the shot was non fatal, she missed or just chickened out.
So, it is possible that they could bring Lee back (although, that would be very hard to pull off without pissing off alot of people, and crushing the impact the last scene had). If some people with proper medical supplies and skill happened upon Lee, if they were quick enough, they could heal him, stop the bleeding, clean the wound etc...
I've said it before, I shall miss Lee, but it would be a detrimental cop out of the highest caliber if they somehow undid the meaning of his last tragic moments. The idea of him having to leave Clem only to survive being infected and chained down in an overrun city would only hurt the story at this point.
I don't understand why people say that. Why would it be bad for him to be back? That sad moment is still there, if not worse! If Lee survived, he would have no idea where Clemmy was and wouldn't know what happened to her. And until they could reunite, Clem would think he was dead
Beleive me, if they could do it without it being terrible, I would want them too. But at the same time, I don't. I love Lee as a character, and the ending is amazing because it wraps everything up, having Lee give his final advice, and goodbyes, and sending Clem into the world alone. It would just feel like a cop out (if I am using that phrase correctly) for them to pull him back.
It is possible that they could make it work, but it is not likely, and would probably be better to let it go and have a new survivor.
Because every character you continuously show in the Walking Dead franchise has one fate and one fate only.
I don't think it wrapped everything up, because Clem still needed him. She wasn't ready... That, and I feel like I died. Now with another character raising Clem? It just won't feel the same...
Well, Clem would never seem ready, not for in game Years anyhow, so that unavoidable, unless the game lasted much longer.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Kinda annoying, as I now feel like everything I do is just passing time until Season 2 comes out.
That was for season 1 WHEN CLEM WAS NOT READY TO BE ALONE now sher is ready
idk...
She may be ready mentally but she will always be in danger due to her physical limitations. Look at how many hand-to-hand battles Lee had to go through with walkers, AND how much he struggled with each and every one of them. A 9 year old girl's body cannot showcase that same strength, no matter how smart she is.
Yeah, but bringing back Lee, in my eyes, would ruin the S1 ending. It was so emotional, and they made it so Lee is as good as dead. Brining him back would just mess that up, make the S1 ending have much less impact.
I disagree completely. It would have felt complete with the regular ending, but the epilogue screams sequel. It's like adding the first paragraph of another chapter at the end of a book.
The main character dying and leaving behind a 9 year old girl, who is later found by two unknown silhouettes before the screen cuts to black, leaving her fate frustratingly ambiguous, is complete to you?
...how?
It's been a long time since I've anticipated something so much, and that can be boiled down to two reasons:
1) The identity of the new PC
2) The identity of those two silhouettes
I suspect they'll turn out to be one and the same, but Telltale could have other surprises up their sleeves.
But now with more episodes lined up, and all of the predictions of a season 2 lead being one of the silhouettes finding her at some point, I dare to hope that she's seen again at least. I don't really expect to see the same kind of guardian role, or father-figure dynamic this next season though. It's sad picturing someone new trying to build the same relationship that she had with Lee..
This is just a question of being stuck in a comfort zone - considering TTG's ability to create good, believable characters, I have full confidence that a new character will be just as good as Lee and co.
Finish the story in your own head - the people seen could be zombies out for a snack on Clem, Christa and Omid or a couple of unknown persons. The cool thing about it is: You decide!
Uhm...hello? This is a video game? I know we couldn't do jack-squat about saving Lee, but I like to think TTG will allow us to affect the story just a little more in season 2.
Sorry, but releasing the second season without providing any follow-up to the cliffhanger would be weird and dumb in so many ways. Trying to subvert an audience's expectations is one thing. Trolling your audience is quite another.
lol season2 with a troll on the cover art xD
With Lee's wife you have a connection to the character you used to be, and the player can even continue fleshing out who he was when she talks about him. Lee's wife while not an established character has at least been mentioned so we know she inhabits the world. If/when she meets up with Clem, it will make for an intresting piece of drama when it is discovered Clem's former gaurdian was this woman's husband. So the player while in the know about everything will be able to build up the story of Lee and his wife, how Clem's group feel about her, and how it plays out when Clem finds one other person in the world who did love Lee (loved at one point at least).
You could even start the game with her cheating on Lee, and when Lee comes in and kills him, your first decision will be how to react to this.
For me this is the best option, Telltale could do something completely diffrent and I would be ok with it, but for me atleast this will be headcanon until Telltale shows me difrently.
I agree that it must have been an intentional choice for that exact reason, but for me personally, it's a frustrating deal-breaker.
The last thing I remember doing was choosing not to ransack some poor schmoe's (still running!) car. I certainly didn't regret the choice, and I understand the storytelling desire to force me to suffer the consequences of putting ourselves at risk to set a good example for the remainder of Clementine's life.
But I don't think it was worth it, really. As well-written as the game was, we all know it can only do so much, and the consequences aren't really going to be majorly affecting the plot-line, just making it more personal.
So why not give us the ability of seeing the alternative? It's hard not to be curious what Selfish Lee would have said.
The after credits scene is there to give hope the same as Christa and Omid, who were poorly developed in my opinion. The game ends pretty dark like the comic book, but some are now demanding a returning cast and a chance for a happy ending.
I know many members of this forum would balk at the idea of playing a nine-year-old girl, but besides selecting Kenny as the PC, I don't see any other way that Telltale could continue to evolve the emotional connections and bonds they nurtured throughout season 1. Introducing an entirely new PC has its own set of problems, in that the player would essentially be "starting over from scratch", which runs a high risk of making him/her feel as if all their choices and actions in S1 were ultimately redundant.
Problem is, you're more or less playing as Lori. She's far from a popular character, and regardless of what Lee's wife do, she'll be shamed to submission just as Lori was.
Not to say that playing as Lee's wife is a bad idea, I'm open to the possibility, but from what I've seen from players and viewers reaction, murder is more forgivable than adultery these says, so it seems.
Anyway, on topic, I want a new playable character. I certainly hope we won't be playing Clementine. After all, this is a roleplaying game, and it would be hard to roleplay a child- for that you'd have to think as a child. The decisions made by adult YOU would very likely not fit Clem's character, and if you try to stay in character, the decisions and the dialogue will not depict what you actually want to say. So no, I don't think they'll let us play as Clem. The protagonist will probably be another average adult character that most of the audience can relate to. Maybe a female this time, although I personally hope not.
Why?
Umm no, just no! That would be the worst thing ever, I'm simply not going to play as Kenny because I hate him. Besides, he's dead. Time to move on people...
I would actually like to see a female lead in Season 2, but only if they don't make her gender a plot point and rely on 'female' characteristics and stereotypes.
And how do you know exactly ? Did you see a picture of him being dead ? Like it or not , we will have to know what happened to him in season 2 . Alive or dead , I don't care .
I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Was Lee's African-Americanness used as a "plot point" by S1's writers? Other than one boneheaded remark from Kenny during episode 2, it didn't factor into the story at all.
Like it or not, Robert Morgan is right. Kenny is the only person from season 1 who has potential to be season 2 protagonist. We've seen his good side (risking his life to save a guy, even if he wanted to kill Kenny's son few hours ago, saving pregnant woman, even if it costs him his life) and his bad side (leaving guy to death for disagreeing with him, suggesting to abandon a guy behind, just because he has broken leg). Still, chances are very slim that he even survived, and even if he did, I'm pretty sure season 2 protagonist will be a new character.
Well that could mean that Bonnie has the potential to be season 2 protagonist because she always goes with Tavia .
Because I find it hard to play as females in roleplaying games. I can't immerse myself while playing as a different gender. But that's just my personal preference, I in no way have anything against the idea of female protagonists.