Clem could start by telling the new people shes met after eating, i wanna find my friend Christa. To help her find Christa. Not just forget about her like Christa is shit to her.
She didn't once say i want to look for my friend Christa that i spend many many months surviving with.
You are very very wrong.
M… moreoreover, Clem got washed God knows how many miles down a river and she has no idea where she is, let alone where Christa is or even if she's still alive. How the hell is she supposed to look for a lone woman in the middle of the woods if she has no clue where to start looking?
Telltale doesn't always do things that would happen in real life i.e when the dog attacks Clem, dogs don't attack people in that way but telltale can do it because it's a video game.
And as for Clem, there's a big difference in how Clem and Lee kill Walkers, in Episode 4 Lee picks up a pretty overweight Walker and flings him off the stairs. In Episode 2 he rips a Walker apart when pulling it where as Clem when she killed that Walker in the shed she used a brick(optional) and then used a rake to push him back into that spike. She needed a weapon to kill him where as Lee used his strength. When Clem is being attacked by the Leland lookalike, She uses techniques like biting, holding onto things where as Lee would've man handled the Leland lookalike.
And the last comment, i assume you mean Clementine pulling Lee? well Lee is not 200 pounds, that would be he'd be 90kgs and his not 90. He'd be 80-85 tops which is 176-187lbs and as the others said when you get a adrenaline rush you don't think she probably acted on instinct and was able to move him although telltale doesn't show how but it's suppose to be seen as Clem doing it.
Same with her patching herself up. I had a similar incident like Clems except i fell on glass and tore my forearm. Like Clem i was in shock and almost passed out when it happened like Clem did, but when it got stitched it up i didn't feel any pain. It was sore but wasn't painful but when you're fighting for your life you tend to think more of keeping alive then pain. I guess you'd have to be in her shoes to know what that feels like.
You guys act as if Clem is physically jumping on these zombies and wrestling them to the ground like Hercules. As of season 2 Clem has only killed two Zombies. The first was bond to a tree and it literally took four blows to the head with a large branch for Clem to kill it. The second crawled into the barn grabbing at her ankles, and he never fully climbs onto her. Her feet is near his face and neck, and anyone who's familiar with Judo may know this quote "where the head goes, the body follows". She pushes the zombie off her with her legs, then proceeds to either throw a stone at his head to unsteady him or go straight for a rake to force him back onto whatever that thing was that penetrated him through his chess rendering him immobilized. Giving her enough time to finish him off with a hammer though the brain.
So personally I don't think it's unrealistic. I don't think any of her struggles that she has been in so far can be compared to Lee's struggles as some of you suggested. The only one that could be close in comparison is the one I just described, where she uses her lower body strength and something close to a simple judo technique to get the zombie away from her. She never goes fully head to head with a zombie. So until then I think TT is doing a nice job at keeping it believable
Although I agree that an 11 year old girl appears to be not only smarter but also stronger than the average person in the game at times. But it is a video game and I dont think this point is even close to a major concern to the community.
They didn't show Clem pulling Lee to safety because they knew many people would say this look unrealistic. Having a little girl pulling a grown man to safety.
Telltale doesn't always do things that would happen in real life i.e when the dog attacks Clem, dogs don't attack people in that way but tellt… moreale can do it because it's a video game.
And as for Clem, there's a big difference in how Clem and Lee kill Walkers, in Episode 4 Lee picks up a pretty overweight Walker and flings him off the stairs. In Episode 2 he rips a Walker apart when pulling it where as Clem when she killed that Walker in the shed she used a brick(optional) and then used a rake to push him back into that spike. She needed a weapon to kill him where as Lee used his strength. When Clem is being attacked by the Leland lookalike, She uses techniques like biting, holding onto things where as Lee would've man handled the Leland lookalike.
And the last comment, i assume you mean Clementine pulling Lee? well Lee is not 200 pounds, that would be he'd be 90kgs and his not 90. He'd be 80-85 tops which is 176-187lbs and as the others said w… [view original content]
So you really think not eating for 3 days alone in a playhouse is surviving. If she didn't get out the playhouse within days she would be dead, not surviving.
I always loved when you bring just Kenny and Ben with you and Kenny makes a remark like "Glad this door doesn't have a hatchet in it, huh?" and Ben gets pissed lol.
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly at times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
I think having it the way it is would spark more speculation then showing it. Because then people like you would say "There's no way, she could do it".
She could've dragged him there, remember when Lee wakes up he was looking worse then when he collapsed?
He collapsed multiple times in Episode 5, at the start in the morgue, when they're climbing the ladder, when they're in the attic and when he wakes up his still looking the same. I reckon it took her a little bit to get him inside, just my opinion.
They didn't show Clem pulling Lee to safety because they knew many people would say this look unrealistic. Having a little girl pulling a grown man to safety.
What I found a bit difficult to swallow was her stitching herself up, and that's because I can't even imagine the pain... But then again, I couldn't swallow Lee cutting his arm off either. It doesn't really have to do with Clem or her "unrealistic" strength. As mentioned above, she hasn't even directly killed a walker (meaning both of them were restrained and she was out of their reach when she killed them).
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
I don't believe she outfought that grown man. Majority of the time she ran from him, then when he finally caught her she bit his hand until it struck blood, causing him to let go and proceeded to run into a log. When he drug her out she, as stated by a few others, used her lower body to force him into a zombie that grabbed him. Nowhere in that situation did Clem physically outfight that man, out maneuver maybe, but not outfought. Just my opinion
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly … moreat times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
They didn't show Clem pulling Lee to safety because they knew many people would say this look unrealistic. Having a little girl pulling a grown man to safety.
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
Comparing a walker to a heavyweight MMA dude ... have to lol at this one.
Just think about it, how are most walkers 2 years after the zombi… moree apocalypse ?
* 95% of them didn't eat for months
* They don't drink water at all
* Most of them have half their bodies chewed off
You expect an average walker to weight as much as an average healthy human ? What the hell.
I'm not saying Clem should be able to bitch slap them into oblivion but realize that legs are much MUCH stronger than arms. Even someone as little as Clem could repel a walker if she's on her back and her legs are placed correctly on the walker (like it was in the shed). of course in those conditions she can push one back... You guys never fought with your dad or borther or whatever ?
Not even factoring in the adrenaline.
All I gotta say is if you are only concerned with your friend after being washed down a river, soaking wet, with no shelter, and you are starving for food, then you are probably going to die. I would bet that we find out that that is what Christa taught her to do. You have to find shelter, water, and food before you can even look for other people. Do you even watch Survivorman?
Clem could start by telling the new people shes met after eating, i wanna find my friend Christa. To help her find Christa. Not just forget about her like Christa is shit to her.
outran and outfought? She never did any of this, she's little and that guy chasing her seemed kinda old and could also have been a little tired, other then potentially being hungry at least Clem had energy to use and was not tired. Adrenaline is also a big part of it.
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly … moreat times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
I don't believe she outfought that grown man. Majority of the time she ran from him, then when he finally caught her she bit his hand until it… more struck blood, causing him to let go and proceeded to run into a log. When he drug her out she, as stated by a few others, used her lower body to force him into a zombie that grabbed him. Nowhere in that situation did Clem physically outfight that man, out maneuver maybe, but not outfought. Just my opinion
You must be fun at parties
Aanywayyy.. No its not really unrealistic for a person to be able to gather great strength at an incredibly str… moreessful moment like that.
And really.. Is picking at all the little details/flaws in games truly necessary?
All I gotta say is if you are only concerned with your friend after being washed down a river, soaking wet, with no shelter, and you are star… moreving for food, then you are probably going to die. I would bet that we find out that that is what Christa taught her to do. You have to find shelter, water, and food before you can even look for other people. Do you even watch Survivorman?
He was just debunking one specific point. That Clem supposedly outran and outfought anyone. She didn't. The guy in the woods had her, if she didn't dive under the tree. And still he got her seconds later. She tried to run again, got grabbed and could NOT get away. She struggled like 5 seconds (yeah no kid could struggle for 5 seconds with a grown man duh) And then kicked him. He didn't even really fall because of that kick. He was just unlucky that Clem's kick was aimed toward the zombie behind him.
So she didn't outrun or outfight him
Zombie in the woods: again just struggling for seconds until Pete and Luke saved her.
Zombie in the shed: Advantage because the zombie came through a hole on the floor, and therefore was crawling. So he couldn't get a good pull on her. And then she pushed him into the anchor and bashed his head in with the hammer. How is that outfought in the sense, that she won because of physical strength? She was lucky that she could put him on that anchor for a few seconds to get the time to bash his head in.
She didn't outrun anyone (she did get caught) or outfight anyone because of physical strength.
He was just debunking one specific point. That Clem supposedly outran and outfought anyone. She didn't. The guy in the woods had her, if she d… moreidn't dive under the tree. And still he got her seconds later. She tried to run again, got grabbed and could NOT get away. She struggled like 5 seconds (yeah no kid could struggle for 5 seconds with a grown man duh) And then kicked him. He didn't even really fall because of that kick. He was just unlucky that Clem's kick was aimed toward the zombie behind him.
So she didn't outrun or outfight him
Zombie in the woods: again just struggling for seconds until Pete and Luke saved her.
Zombie in the shed: Advantage because the zombie came through a hole on the floor, and therefore was crawling. So he couldn't get a good pull on her. And then she pushed him into the anchor and bashed his head in with the hammer. How is that outfought in the sense, that she won because of physical strength? She was lucky… [view original content]
Thank you. There was no time where she physically outfought that man. I could see if he sat on top of her, then we would have a case here. But he didn't. Her feet were against his chest directing him towards the zombie, which grabbed him.
He was just debunking one specific point. That Clem supposedly outran and outfought anyone. She didn't. The guy in the woods had her, if she d… moreidn't dive under the tree. And still he got her seconds later. She tried to run again, got grabbed and could NOT get away. She struggled like 5 seconds (yeah no kid could struggle for 5 seconds with a grown man duh) And then kicked him. He didn't even really fall because of that kick. He was just unlucky that Clem's kick was aimed toward the zombie behind him.
So she didn't outrun or outfight him
Zombie in the woods: again just struggling for seconds until Pete and Luke saved her.
Zombie in the shed: Advantage because the zombie came through a hole on the floor, and therefore was crawling. So he couldn't get a good pull on her. And then she pushed him into the anchor and bashed his head in with the hammer. How is that outfought in the sense, that she won because of physical strength? She was lucky… [view original content]
There are people who pass out quickly (Ben :-D). And people who pass out very hardly. You can totally stay conscious while getting stiched. What's the difference pain-wise, if you do the stitching yourself?
Given that Clem says "Just like Christa showed me" I think she's experienced the pain of stitching her self up during that 16 month span. So I believe this pain is nothing new to her. Just my opinion
They're not lacking common sense, michone and Ja1862 raised good/logical points, clementine's still a girl and the mentioned scenes like the self stitching a very big wound or pushing zombies away like if she was a 30+ yo man where kind of unrealistic.
It's not a matter of "will" or "determination", her body is probably not PHYSICALLY able to do that stuff.
Just admit it they where good yet unrealistic scenes, we all know that they where done for story telling/entretainment purposes. We'll probably see plenty more of those scenes because we're playing as a 11 yo surviving in a zombie apocalypse.
And MichonneIsClem:
Why don't you put your stupidity away and realize they're zombies. They can easily be pushed around, stabbed, or anything to harm them? Us "lovers" have common sense. We're not involved with negativity such as you.
Given that Clem says "Just like Christa showed me" I think she's experienced the pain of stitching her self up during that 16 month span. So I believe this pain is nothing new to her. Just my opinion
They're not lacking common sense, michone and Ja1862 raised good/logical points, clementine's still a girl and the mentioned scenes like the s… moreelf stitching a very big wound or pushing zombies away like if she was a 30+ yo man where kind of unrealistic.
It's not a matter of "will" or "determination", her body is probably not PHYSICALLY able to do that stuff.
Just admit it they where good yet unrealistic scenes, we all know that they where done for story telling/entretainment purposes. We'll probably see plenty more of those scenes because we're playing as a 11 yo surviving in a zombie apocalypse.
Yes she have combat experience, but how did she become that great at living in that world? Christa had to be awesome, really awesome for clem… more to learn so much in the 16 months we didn't see for Clem to have the heart to heal her own nasty bite. Remember when Lee had to heal her little booboo for her when she said "my finger" in the drug store?
In the context of her about to stitch herself up in that moment and saying "Just like before" couldn't be any clearer of her meaning: she has stitched herself up before. It's just the matter of putting 2 and 2 together. And wouldn't you think that Christa would of made her practice on herself? It's getting her prepared to take care of herself, it's just common sense. Like Lee teaching her how to shoot the gun. He gave her the gun to experience how to shoot it; not just shoot the glass bottle himself and said "That's how you shoot a gun."
But hey maybe that's not how it happened. Until those 16 months are revealed to us it just a matter of interpretation.
You guys act as if Clem is physically jumping on these zombies and wrestling them to the ground like Hercules. As of season 2 Clem has only ki… morelled two Zombies. The first was bond to a tree and it literally took four blows to the head with a large branch for Clem to kill it. The second crawled into the barn grabbing at her ankles, and he never fully climbs onto her. Her feet is near his face and neck, and anyone who's familiar with Judo may know this quote "where the head goes, the body follows". She pushes the zombie off her with her legs, then proceeds to either throw a stone at his head to unsteady him or go straight for a rake to force him back onto whatever that thing was that penetrated him through his chess rendering him immobilized. Giving her enough time to finish him off with a hammer though the brain.
So personally I don't think it's unrealistic. I don't think any of her struggles that she has been in so far can be compared to Lee's … [view original content]
They stayed in the woods where there isn´t much people and they got lucky enough no to met any other group.
Or maybe many interesting and dangerous things happened to them but we don´t know them yet. Clem seems rather changed, thougher than a two dollar steak.
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
Plenty happened. Smaller groups mean less infighting though. Less Kenny and Lilly situations. Just a couple and their adopted daughter. Much easier to sneak aroundtoo
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
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People arguing realism in a game where rotting dead people walk the earth.....smh : ( cmon people
Clem could start by telling the new people shes met after eating, i wanna find my friend Christa. To help her find Christa. Not just forget about her like Christa is shit to her.
Telltale doesn't always do things that would happen in real life i.e when the dog attacks Clem, dogs don't attack people in that way but telltale can do it because it's a video game.
And as for Clem, there's a big difference in how Clem and Lee kill Walkers, in Episode 4 Lee picks up a pretty overweight Walker and flings him off the stairs. In Episode 2 he rips a Walker apart when pulling it where as Clem when she killed that Walker in the shed she used a brick(optional) and then used a rake to push him back into that spike. She needed a weapon to kill him where as Lee used his strength. When Clem is being attacked by the Leland lookalike, She uses techniques like biting, holding onto things where as Lee would've man handled the Leland lookalike.
And the last comment, i assume you mean Clementine pulling Lee? well Lee is not 200 pounds, that would be he'd be 90kgs and his not 90. He'd be 80-85 tops which is 176-187lbs and as the others said when you get a adrenaline rush you don't think she probably acted on instinct and was able to move him although telltale doesn't show how but it's suppose to be seen as Clem doing it.
Same with her patching herself up. I had a similar incident like Clems except i fell on glass and tore my forearm. Like Clem i was in shock and almost passed out when it happened like Clem did, but when it got stitched it up i didn't feel any pain. It was sore but wasn't painful but when you're fighting for your life you tend to think more of keeping alive then pain. I guess you'd have to be in her shoes to know what that feels like.
You guys act as if Clem is physically jumping on these zombies and wrestling them to the ground like Hercules. As of season 2 Clem has only killed two Zombies. The first was bond to a tree and it literally took four blows to the head with a large branch for Clem to kill it. The second crawled into the barn grabbing at her ankles, and he never fully climbs onto her. Her feet is near his face and neck, and anyone who's familiar with Judo may know this quote "where the head goes, the body follows". She pushes the zombie off her with her legs, then proceeds to either throw a stone at his head to unsteady him or go straight for a rake to force him back onto whatever that thing was that penetrated him through his chess rendering him immobilized. Giving her enough time to finish him off with a hammer though the brain.
So personally I don't think it's unrealistic. I don't think any of her struggles that she has been in so far can be compared to Lee's struggles as some of you suggested. The only one that could be close in comparison is the one I just described, where she uses her lower body strength and something close to a simple judo technique to get the zombie away from her. She never goes fully head to head with a zombie. So until then I think TT is doing a nice job at keeping it believable
When were she stronger? I've never noticed this.
They didn't show Clem pulling Lee to safety because they knew many people would say this look unrealistic. Having a little girl pulling a grown man to safety.
It is. Being alive three days into the zombie apocalypse is surviving
I always loved when you bring just Kenny and Ben with you and Kenny makes a remark like "Glad this door doesn't have a hatchet in it, huh?" and Ben gets pissed lol.
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly at times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
I think having it the way it is would spark more speculation then showing it. Because then people like you would say "There's no way, she could do it".
She could've dragged him there, remember when Lee wakes up he was looking worse then when he collapsed?
He collapsed multiple times in Episode 5, at the start in the morgue, when they're climbing the ladder, when they're in the attic and when he wakes up his still looking the same. I reckon it took her a little bit to get him inside, just my opinion.
What I found a bit difficult to swallow was her stitching herself up, and that's because I can't even imagine the pain... But then again, I couldn't swallow Lee cutting his arm off either. It doesn't really have to do with Clem or her "unrealistic" strength. As mentioned above, she hasn't even directly killed a walker (meaning both of them were restrained and she was out of their reach when she killed them).
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
I don't believe she outfought that grown man. Majority of the time she ran from him, then when he finally caught her she bit his hand until it struck blood, causing him to let go and proceeded to run into a log. When he drug her out she, as stated by a few others, used her lower body to force him into a zombie that grabbed him. Nowhere in that situation did Clem physically outfight that man, out maneuver maybe, but not outfought. Just my opinion
she was smart, not surviving. Why disrespect the training Lee gave her?
You must be fun at parties
Aanywayyy.. No its not really unrealistic for a person to be able to gather great strength at an incredibly stressful moment like that.
And really.. Is picking at all the little details/flaws in games truly necessary?
a 400 days type dlc prequel would be cool...especially for omid and christa fans.
Agreed!
All I gotta say is if you are only concerned with your friend after being washed down a river, soaking wet, with no shelter, and you are starving for food, then you are probably going to die. I would bet that we find out that that is what Christa taught her to do. You have to find shelter, water, and food before you can even look for other people. Do you even watch Survivorman?
outran and outfought? She never did any of this, she's little and that guy chasing her seemed kinda old and could also have been a little tired, other then potentially being hungry at least Clem had energy to use and was not tired. Adrenaline is also a big part of it.
You're going to like the writing no matter what.
Yes, because they can make the writing better and make more sense.
So your telling me people she just met are more important to her then Christa, who she know for 16- 20 months hmmm.
He was just debunking one specific point. That Clem supposedly outran and outfought anyone. She didn't. The guy in the woods had her, if she didn't dive under the tree. And still he got her seconds later. She tried to run again, got grabbed and could NOT get away. She struggled like 5 seconds (yeah no kid could struggle for 5 seconds with a grown man duh) And then kicked him. He didn't even really fall because of that kick. He was just unlucky that Clem's kick was aimed toward the zombie behind him.
So she didn't outrun or outfight him
Zombie in the woods: again just struggling for seconds until Pete and Luke saved her.
Zombie in the shed: Advantage because the zombie came through a hole on the floor, and therefore was crawling. So he couldn't get a good pull on her. And then she pushed him into the anchor and bashed his head in with the hammer. How is that outfought in the sense, that she won because of physical strength? She was lucky that she could put him on that anchor for a few seconds to get the time to bash his head in.
She didn't outrun anyone (she did get caught) or outfight anyone because of physical strength.
This! Why are people here so stupid, you are watching it happen, yet they say something else.
Thank you. There was no time where she physically outfought that man. I could see if he sat on top of her, then we would have a case here. But he didn't. Her feet were against his chest directing him towards the zombie, which grabbed him.
That pain should have make clem passout. but she had to kill a walker so they couldnt let her passout
Why would anyone HAVE TO pass out?
There are people who pass out quickly (Ben :-D). And people who pass out very hardly. You can totally stay conscious while getting stiched. What's the difference pain-wise, if you do the stitching yourself?
Given that Clem says "Just like Christa showed me" I think she's experienced the pain of stitching her self up during that 16 month span. So I believe this pain is nothing new to her. Just my opinion
They're not lacking common sense, michone and Ja1862 raised good/logical points, clementine's still a girl and the mentioned scenes like the self stitching a very big wound or pushing zombies away like if she was a 30+ yo man where kind of unrealistic.
It's not a matter of "will" or "determination", her body is probably not PHYSICALLY able to do that stuff.
Just admit it they where good yet unrealistic scenes, we all know that they where done for story telling/entretainment purposes. We'll probably see plenty more of those scenes because we're playing as a 11 yo surviving in a zombie apocalypse.
Ever think she had to stitch Christa up?
Thank you, someone with common sense. I never said i hated those scenes. i love badass Clem stitching herself but some of that was unrealistic.
domesticated kids
Her entire quote is "Just like before, just like Christa showed me" Just like before, meaning: she's done it before.
could be stitching christa, dont have to mean stitching herself
In the context of her about to stitch herself up in that moment and saying "Just like before" couldn't be any clearer of her meaning: she has stitched herself up before. It's just the matter of putting 2 and 2 together. And wouldn't you think that Christa would of made her practice on herself? It's getting her prepared to take care of herself, it's just common sense. Like Lee teaching her how to shoot the gun. He gave her the gun to experience how to shoot it; not just shoot the glass bottle himself and said "That's how you shoot a gun."
But hey maybe that's not how it happened. Until those 16 months are revealed to us it just a matter of interpretation.
I was gonna state my opinion, but after reading yours I can only say that you nailed it, I share your view from the begging to the end
They stayed in the woods where there isn´t much people and they got lucky enough no to met any other group.
Or maybe many interesting and dangerous things happened to them but we don´t know them yet. Clem seems rather changed, thougher than a two dollar steak.
Plenty happened. Smaller groups mean less infighting though. Less Kenny and Lilly situations. Just a couple and their adopted daughter. Much easier to sneak aroundtoo
Agreed. I wanted to know more about them. Hear more Omid jokes too