In the context of her about to stitch herself up in that moment and saying "Just like before" couldn't be any clearer of her meaning: she has … morestitched herself up before. It's just the matter of putting 2 and 2 together. And wouldn't you think that Christa would of made her practice on herself? It's getting her prepared to take care of herself, it's just common sense. Like Lee teaching her how to shoot the gun. He gave her the gun to experience how to shoot it; not just shoot the glass bottle himself and said "That's how you shoot a gun."
But hey maybe that's not how it happened. Until those 16 months are revealed to us it just a matter of interpretation.
That isn't unbelievable. Kids are smaller and adults are less likely to be used to running after kids. It's probably comparable (Slight exaggeration) to catching rabbits if they've escaped their pen
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly … moreat times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
I didn't even disrespect Lee's training. Try this. You last three days without food or water alone by hiding. It isn't permanent solution but guess what? You -survived- three days. You didn't run around being killed like so many others. If you're alive three days into some disaster, you're a survivor
I didn't even disrespect Lee's training. Try this. You last three days without food or water alone by hiding. It isn't permanent solution but … moreguess what? You -survived- three days. You didn't run around being killed like so many others. If you're alive three days into some disaster, you're a survivor
But in lees parents shop when the bathroom zombie attacked clem it didn't take him by surprise.
He ran over grabbed it, couldn't over power it until carley shoots it
They were caught off guard and weren't able to grab a weapon. Lee was struggling with Sandra until Clem gave him the hammer and then he curbst… moreomped her. Kenny was tripped by a zombie and wasn't able to reach his gun. The guy trying to capture Clem was unarmed and he still managed to get away from one zombie but then another one piled on top of him and bit him before he could react.
It wasn't like Clem easily beat those zombies to death with her bare hands. She kicked them away long enough to grab a weapon and finish them off. There was a lot of struggle and if she didn't grab a weapon in time, she was dead.
Yeah I suspect you guys have never hit the gym. Sure she can learn survival tactics but unless she does major squat and leg workouts she aint kicking a grown adult of her.
Sorry
I didn't say anything like that. You missed the point. Bad thing happens and people are killed. If you're alright three days into that thing on your own you're a survivor. I didn't say she would've made it longer on her own. I said she managed three days and that byitself makes her a survivor
He didn't have a weapon and thus had no way of dealing with the threat. All he could do was hold it back until Carley shot it. Every time Clem has dealt with a zombie so far, she had a weapon within reach she could use to bash it with. Lee, on the other hand, has been shown to be able to kill zombies with his bare hands, pulling them in half at one point. What Clem's done so far to deal with zombies was reasonable. Not typical of girls her age, mind you, but reasonable given her past experience and previously-demonstrated nerves of steel.
But in lees parents shop when the bathroom zombie attacked clem it didn't take him by surprise.
He ran over grabbed it, couldn't over power it until carley shoots it
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She did lose her. I dont mean in the sense that she watched her die like the others but thats she has been separated from her and doesnt know if she's did or alive. She is not with her now, that's the point. And where do you get that she doesnt care about her? She kept saying how she wanted to go look for her.
She didn't lose Christa and we don't if Christa is alive or not, also why do Clem not care about Christa When they were together 16-20 months surviving hmmm.
What exactly do you expect her to do by herself? She's been hurt and she has no gun. She found a safe place that she can rest up and eat the first real food she's probably had in awhile. You really think its unreasonable that she wants to stay? If she befriends this group, they can help her look for Christa.
Only a silly person would stand up for silly writing. Telltale can do much better and we have season 1 for proof. She didn't once say i want t… moreo look for my friend Christa that i spend many many months surviving with. Nah i will just stay with randoms after eating. You dont spend 16 months with someone and when they get hurt or you cant find them said "oh well" i will never look for them again,that's bullsh*t.
Well it could be that plenty happened and maybe we'll see that later... or maybe some DLC will come later. But I'll reiterate- the time jump has to be that long because it needs to allow the actions of 400 days to unfold because it seems clear we're going to meet up with some or all of those people.
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
He didn't have a weapon and thus had no way of dealing with the threat. All he could do was hold it back until Carley shot it. Every time Clem… more has dealt with a zombie so far, she had a weapon within reach she could use to bash it with. Lee, on the other hand, has been shown to be able to kill zombies with his bare hands, pulling them in half at one point. What Clem's done so far to deal with zombies was reasonable. Not typical of girls her age, mind you, but reasonable given her past experience and previously-demonstrated nerves of steel.
She did lose her. I dont mean in the sense that she watched her die like the others but thats she has been separated from her and doesnt know … moreif she's did or alive. She is not with her now, that's the point. And where do you get that she doesnt care about her? She kept saying how she wanted to go look for her.
What exactly do you expect her to do by herself? She's been hurt and she has no gun. She found a safe place that she can rest up and eat the f… moreirst real food she's probably had in awhile. You really think its unreasonable that she wants to stay? If she befriends this group, they can help her look for Christa.
They're not lacking common sense, michone and Ja1862 raised good/logical points, clementine's still a girl and the mentioned scenes like the s… moreelf stitching a very big wound or pushing zombies away like if she was a 30+ yo man where kind of unrealistic.
It's not a matter of "will" or "determination", her body is probably not PHYSICALLY able to do that stuff.
Just admit it they where good yet unrealistic scenes, we all know that they where done for story telling/entretainment purposes. We'll probably see plenty more of those scenes because we're playing as a 11 yo surviving in a zombie apocalypse.
You should stop making such confident statements of fact. You keep being demonstrably wrong. Also, don't want to be a grammar nazi but you seem to be using commas as colons and/or hashtags. That's not how they work.
Plus remember how she says "Just like Christa showed me" Clearly Clementine has stitched something before, It wouldn't be the first time she has done it.
They're not lacking common sense, michone and Ja1862 raised good/logical points, clementine's still a girl and the mentioned scenes like the s… moreelf stitching a very big wound or pushing zombies away like if she was a 30+ yo man where kind of unrealistic.
It's not a matter of "will" or "determination", her body is probably not PHYSICALLY able to do that stuff.
Just admit it they where good yet unrealistic scenes, we all know that they where done for story telling/entretainment purposes. We'll probably see plenty more of those scenes because we're playing as a 11 yo surviving in a zombie apocalypse.
I have a few remarks about this. First of all, walking dead head smashing is much easier than in real life(not that I'm an expert). If you play through first season you'll notice that some skull smash like mashed potatoes. I do not feel upset about that. Actually, if skulls were hard to smash as they are in real life(even rotting corpses have thick skulls), zombies would be much harder to kill, making zombie killing not that fun. This is an adaptation the universe of Walking Dead does and you have to take for what it is: Fiction. Verisimilitude is important in some stories, but it's not mandatory, you can make some unrealistic things happen without ruining a story, sometimes it even improves (we are talking about a ZOMBIE GAME, right?). I think the question should be: does clementine bashing zombies once in a while ruins the story or gameplay? In the aforementioned cases, my humble opinion is that it does not. That's where I stand on this subjetct.
But at first, Lee wasn't used to killing walkers, he didn't know what they were. Now with Clementine grown up and well educated about the walkers, she knows what to do.
Yes, but at the end of the day Lee needed a little girl Clem to help and he's a grown as* man. Then little Clem did it all on her own. No matter how long it took clem, she needed only herself to kill it.
Yeah I suspect you guys have never hit the gym. Sure she can learn survival tactics but unless she does major squat and leg workouts she aint kicking a grown adult of her.
Sorry
Yeah, those people obviously knew her and asking about Christa would have gotten a productive response. Also, she hates that guy that attacked Christa, and even gets the option to refuse water to him because she doesn't care. I think you are ripping on Clementine because you are racist and you should stop.
You know what else is unrealistic? Zombies.
It's a video game. A little suspension of disbelief has to be afforded. And I think we're meant to infer that in the 16 months after the prologue she's learned a few things and grown up a bit.
Yeah, those people obviously knew her and asking about Christa would have gotten a productive response. Also, she hates that guy that attacked… more Christa, and even gets the option to refuse water to him because she doesn't care. I think you are ripping on Clementine because you are racist and you should stop.
But at first, Lee wasn't used to killing walkers, he didn't know what they were. Now with Clementine grown up and well educated about the walkers, she knows what to do.
Plus remember how she says "Just like Christa showed me" Clearly Clementine has stitched something before, It wouldn't be the first time she has done it.
Am I the only one to think that Telltale is allowing us to feel overconfident about Clementine's capability only to give us a lesson in humility in next episode ?
Players are allowed to act all sassy and arrogant if they want without no consequences... (yet.)
We can push a big adult zombie back with a rake, making us feel that Clementine can actually do really good in a mano a mano fight vs a zombie with the little help of objects...
I think that in next episode(s), we'll have situations where we have to chose between running or standing our ground, go for help when another is attacked or try to save him on our own, and those who already think of Clementine as a "badass" (I swear, if that's not the most hackneyed word on this community when it comes to Clementine) who can take anyone will be in for a big surprise. She's still an 11 year old girl and it's not because a guy called her tougher than anyone in his group that she actually is.
Same for the sass. We will certainly meet other kind of people with whom those who think they can always be all defiant and go for the "coolest" (or once again, "badass") dialogue options will learn to be more humble or suffer the consequences.
Well it could be that plenty happened and maybe we'll see that later... or maybe some DLC will come later. But I'll reiterate- the time jump h… moreas to be that long because it needs to allow the actions of 400 days to unfold because it seems clear we're going to meet up with some or all of those people.
16 months is 1 year and 4 months. Ofcourse Christa teached Clem "so much" It has been implied that Clem knew how to stich a wound. And Lee healing her "little booboo" was only a couple of days after it all started. This is 2 years.
Yes she have combat experience, but how did she become that great at living in that world? Christa had to be awesome, really awesome for clem… more to learn so much in the 16 months we didn't see for Clem to have the heart to heal her own nasty bite. Remember when Lee had to heal her little booboo for her when she said "my finger" in the drug store?
This feels a bit of a strawman argument. Zombies themselves are not why people enjoyed season one. Zombies are a cliche in popular culture by this point. Like in most genre stories, they're merely the fantasy trope that lead the audience to what they really care about. It's the relationships between the characters and how they project their emotions upon the audience and the consistent writing that made people enjoy season one. And when you have characters with no consistency (the entire cast set up as pawns of an "idiot plot," their intelligence levels fluctuating wildly to justify the story the writers pre-determined) nor any motivations that resonate with the audience--then things get real boring, real fast. Stories (at least dramatic ones) are most effective when they have some ring of truth to them in the way the characters behave. (This is the most important thing in all drama-based stories, no matter if they're about time travel or zombies or whatever.) And when a cast of adults treats a 10-year-old girl like she's John McClane simply as an excuse to justify the "thriller" plot, it sets off bullshit detectors in a way that the existence of zombies does not.
Also, people keep saying that the episode (and presumably the season) is all about Clem trying to survive. Well, this would be fine, except for the fact that because she's now the protagonist (again, who by the end is John McClane), we KNOW she will survive. (And if she does die, it's only temporary while we get another shot.) Hell, her picture is in the promo image for episode 4, so we know she makes it that far. It's not exactly a nail-biter issue at this point. They got around this in season one by having Lee have his own vulnerability--in the form of someone else whose safety he cared about. Season one did not hinge on the completely binary issue of whether Lee lived or died; the eggs weren't all in that basket.
Unlike season one, however, season two does seem to be set up in that binary way. And unlike Lee, Clem, at least by episode's end, is now largely stoic and nearly monotone--an entire season's character arc seemingly complete. People can say all they want about how it's "realistic" for someone to be emotionally remote and distant in her position, but that's not compelling storytelling. (It's also circular logic; if they had had Clementine be vulnerable/emotional and pine for Christa and simpler times, ala Tom Hanks did for Helen Hunt when he was by himself in Cast Away, I don't think people would complain about it being unrealistic; in fact, I think it would resonate with them and add a depth to the story. Conversely, the way things are now, Clem not have any pressing emotional motivations only seems like it's the only realistic option because that's the only one that the writers have provided the audience with.)
You know what else is unrealistic? Zombies.
It's a video game. A little suspension of disbelief has to be afforded. And I think we're meant to infer that in the 16 months after the prologue she's learned a few things and grown up a bit.
Have you ever stopped to consider that all this time eluding Walkers and dangerous survivors has toughened Clem up?
I'm getting tired of people saying she can't do this or she can't do that because she's 11 y/o. Given time and the right circumstances, even 11 year olds can develop street smarts and a killer instinct that is not typical to see in the current "soft" world we all live in...
I think it would be 100 times less believable if, after all this time, Clem was totally weak and unable to protect herself.
The fact that she outran and outfought a grown man, I mean she's a 11 year old girl. Like I said I am not complaining about it, but certainly … moreat times they give her smarts/ strengths I have never seen from an 11 yr old. I think that we see all these people die from zombie bites that are either being distracted or doing something stupid, and somehow Clem always finds a way to avoid it.
Just somebody explain to me how nothing interesting or dangerous happened in 16 months, it's a lot of time... it's like nearly more than The Walking Dead comics but just in a millisecond.
actually the dog attacking Clem is realistic considering things like starvation, surviving for who knows how long (days, weeks, months, over a year?), and food aggression.
Telltale doesn't always do things that would happen in real life i.e when the dog attacks Clem, dogs don't attack people in that way but tellt… moreale can do it because it's a video game.
And as for Clem, there's a big difference in how Clem and Lee kill Walkers, in Episode 4 Lee picks up a pretty overweight Walker and flings him off the stairs. In Episode 2 he rips a Walker apart when pulling it where as Clem when she killed that Walker in the shed she used a brick(optional) and then used a rake to push him back into that spike. She needed a weapon to kill him where as Lee used his strength. When Clem is being attacked by the Leland lookalike, She uses techniques like biting, holding onto things where as Lee would've man handled the Leland lookalike.
And the last comment, i assume you mean Clementine pulling Lee? well Lee is not 200 pounds, that would be he'd be 90kgs and his not 90. He'd be 80-85 tops which is 176-187lbs and as the others said w… [view original content]
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You're right, but Clem could still mean stitching Christa, after the baby
That isn't unbelievable. Kids are smaller and adults are less likely to be used to running after kids. It's probably comparable (Slight exaggeration) to catching rabbits if they've escaped their pen
I don't, i feel it's unrealistic.
Read again what was written:
No not other people. (The "other people" in that sentence referenced Christa)
I didn't even disrespect Lee's training. Try this. You last three days without food or water alone by hiding. It isn't permanent solution but guess what? You -survived- three days. You didn't run around being killed like so many others. If you're alive three days into some disaster, you're a survivor
Please, allow the whole world to bend to what you feel is realistic.
so you think if lee didnt come some random with the heart of gold would have came?
But in lees parents shop when the bathroom zombie attacked clem it didn't take him by surprise.
He ran over grabbed it, couldn't over power it until carley shoots it
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wrong thread
I didn't say anything like that. You missed the point. Bad thing happens and people are killed. If you're alright three days into that thing on your own you're a survivor. I didn't say she would've made it longer on her own. I said she managed three days and that byitself makes her a survivor
He didn't have a weapon and thus had no way of dealing with the threat. All he could do was hold it back until Carley shot it. Every time Clem has dealt with a zombie so far, she had a weapon within reach she could use to bash it with. Lee, on the other hand, has been shown to be able to kill zombies with his bare hands, pulling them in half at one point. What Clem's done so far to deal with zombies was reasonable. Not typical of girls her age, mind you, but reasonable given her past experience and previously-demonstrated nerves of steel.
She did lose her. I dont mean in the sense that she watched her die like the others but thats she has been separated from her and doesnt know if she's did or alive. She is not with her now, that's the point. And where do you get that she doesnt care about her? She kept saying how she wanted to go look for her.
What exactly do you expect her to do by herself? She's been hurt and she has no gun. She found a safe place that she can rest up and eat the first real food she's probably had in awhile. You really think its unreasonable that she wants to stay? If she befriends this group, they can help her look for Christa.
Well it could be that plenty happened and maybe we'll see that later... or maybe some DLC will come later. But I'll reiterate- the time jump has to be that long because it needs to allow the actions of 400 days to unfold because it seems clear we're going to meet up with some or all of those people.
Lee never killed walkers with his bare hands, bad writing
because she didn't ask about christa anymore after eating and going fishing untill she gave that guy water
why are they not looking for christa after clems meal?
Glad to know we have a doctor here who knows what a person could or couldn't handle...... You sir are a fountain of knowledge -_-
You should stop making such confident statements of fact. You keep being demonstrably wrong. Also, don't want to be a grammar nazi but you seem to be using commas as colons and/or hashtags. That's not how they work.
Plus remember how she says "Just like Christa showed me" Clearly Clementine has stitched something before, It wouldn't be the first time she has done it.
I have a few remarks about this. First of all, walking dead head smashing is much easier than in real life(not that I'm an expert). If you play through first season you'll notice that some skull smash like mashed potatoes. I do not feel upset about that. Actually, if skulls were hard to smash as they are in real life(even rotting corpses have thick skulls), zombies would be much harder to kill, making zombie killing not that fun. This is an adaptation the universe of Walking Dead does and you have to take for what it is: Fiction. Verisimilitude is important in some stories, but it's not mandatory, you can make some unrealistic things happen without ruining a story, sometimes it even improves (we are talking about a ZOMBIE GAME, right?). I think the question should be: does clementine bashing zombies once in a while ruins the story or gameplay? In the aforementioned cases, my humble opinion is that it does not. That's where I stand on this subjetct.
But at first, Lee wasn't used to killing walkers, he didn't know what they were. Now with Clementine grown up and well educated about the walkers, she knows what to do.
wow.. much fountain, such sarcastic, such knowledge.
I had to, I couldn't past that offer down, lmao.
Walkers can easily be kicked off, they haven't got the knowledge to use force, only swing their arms around.
Yeah, those people obviously knew her and asking about Christa would have gotten a productive response. Also, she hates that guy that attacked Christa, and even gets the option to refuse water to him because she doesn't care. I think you are ripping on Clementine because you are racist and you should stop.
Because these people still think Clem might be a spy and they don't really care about Christa. Makes it hard to ask them to help look.
Zombies are too real! Next you'll tell us there's no Santa!
Wtf why do you think im racist? me and clem are the same race so how is that racist ?
he killed the cop first, i hate how well, they make lee weak but made clem so badass
That's how everyone feels, when you pull out the racism-thing on every other post.
(And I'm pretty certain that's what Metafrost was doing: holding up a mirror)
True. Still could mean stitching christa. She may have never felt that pain. That's why should badass, but seem a little unrealistic.
Am I the only one to think that Telltale is allowing us to feel overconfident about Clementine's capability only to give us a lesson in humility in next episode ?
Players are allowed to act all sassy and arrogant if they want without no consequences... (yet.)
We can push a big adult zombie back with a rake, making us feel that Clementine can actually do really good in a mano a mano fight vs a zombie with the little help of objects...
I think that in next episode(s), we'll have situations where we have to chose between running or standing our ground, go for help when another is attacked or try to save him on our own, and those who already think of Clementine as a "badass" (I swear, if that's not the most hackneyed word on this community when it comes to Clementine) who can take anyone will be in for a big surprise. She's still an 11 year old girl and it's not because a guy called her tougher than anyone in his group that she actually is.
Same for the sass. We will certainly meet other kind of people with whom those who think they can always be all defiant and go for the "coolest" (or once again, "badass") dialogue options will learn to be more humble or suffer the consequences.
Right, there is the 400 days factor. Thats over a year right there.
if you dont like her strength then why are you playing the game?
16 months is 1 year and 4 months. Ofcourse Christa teached Clem "so much" It has been implied that Clem knew how to stich a wound. And Lee healing her "little booboo" was only a couple of days after it all started. This is 2 years.
This feels a bit of a strawman argument. Zombies themselves are not why people enjoyed season one. Zombies are a cliche in popular culture by this point. Like in most genre stories, they're merely the fantasy trope that lead the audience to what they really care about. It's the relationships between the characters and how they project their emotions upon the audience and the consistent writing that made people enjoy season one. And when you have characters with no consistency (the entire cast set up as pawns of an "idiot plot," their intelligence levels fluctuating wildly to justify the story the writers pre-determined) nor any motivations that resonate with the audience--then things get real boring, real fast. Stories (at least dramatic ones) are most effective when they have some ring of truth to them in the way the characters behave. (This is the most important thing in all drama-based stories, no matter if they're about time travel or zombies or whatever.) And when a cast of adults treats a 10-year-old girl like she's John McClane simply as an excuse to justify the "thriller" plot, it sets off bullshit detectors in a way that the existence of zombies does not.
Also, people keep saying that the episode (and presumably the season) is all about Clem trying to survive. Well, this would be fine, except for the fact that because she's now the protagonist (again, who by the end is John McClane), we KNOW she will survive. (And if she does die, it's only temporary while we get another shot.) Hell, her picture is in the promo image for episode 4, so we know she makes it that far. It's not exactly a nail-biter issue at this point. They got around this in season one by having Lee have his own vulnerability--in the form of someone else whose safety he cared about. Season one did not hinge on the completely binary issue of whether Lee lived or died; the eggs weren't all in that basket.
Unlike season one, however, season two does seem to be set up in that binary way. And unlike Lee, Clem, at least by episode's end, is now largely stoic and nearly monotone--an entire season's character arc seemingly complete. People can say all they want about how it's "realistic" for someone to be emotionally remote and distant in her position, but that's not compelling storytelling. (It's also circular logic; if they had had Clementine be vulnerable/emotional and pine for Christa and simpler times, ala Tom Hanks did for Helen Hunt when he was by himself in Cast Away, I don't think people would complain about it being unrealistic; in fact, I think it would resonate with them and add a depth to the story. Conversely, the way things are now, Clem not have any pressing emotional motivations only seems like it's the only realistic option because that's the only one that the writers have provided the audience with.)
Have you ever stopped to consider that all this time eluding Walkers and dangerous survivors has toughened Clem up?
I'm getting tired of people saying she can't do this or she can't do that because she's 11 y/o. Given time and the right circumstances, even 11 year olds can develop street smarts and a killer instinct that is not typical to see in the current "soft" world we all live in...
I think it would be 100 times less believable if, after all this time, Clem was totally weak and unable to protect herself.
I bet they will show us what happened via flashbacks/nightmares, particularly what happened with Christa's baby, in the next chapters.
I bet we'll see plenty of flashbacks in chapter 2 of things that happened during those 16 months.
actually the dog attacking Clem is realistic considering things like starvation, surviving for who knows how long (days, weeks, months, over a year?), and food aggression.