I gave Toad a fat roll of cash, so yeah, if he puts off getting a glamour again and there aren't circumstances like the Crooked Man preventing him from that, then it's off to the Farm for him and TJ. Toad refused money from me once, so while my suspicion says that he's going to use Crane's money irresponsibly, I'm cautiously optimistic. And on a less altruistic note, I didn't want that much cash on my person when I went to see the Crooked Man; if I'm making donations, I'd rather it be willingly.
For Colin, in the immediate future it's ok with me that he stays as long as he's in the Woodlands. Bufkin and him can get drunk in the office or something, he need not stay in my crappy apartment all day. After this Crooked Man thing is deal with, either I'll liquidate enough of his stuff or use my bonus (Snow /is/ going to pay me for saving everyone, right?) to get Colin a glamour. Barring that, Greenleaf owes me at least one favor for saving her tree and giving her a nice job.
No one is pressing for Bufkin or the Mirror to get a glamour, so there are obviously roles that can be filled for non-human Fables in NY as long as they don't interact with Mundies. If I really, really need them to, I can make things work.
The reason no one is pressing Bufkin to get a glamour is because when he's not stealing alcohol from Crane, Snow, and Bigby he's reading (mostly how to pick locks) or working (millions of books). The Magic Mirror is stationary.
I gave Toad a fat roll of cash, so yeah, if he puts off getting a glamour again and there aren't circumstances like the Crooked Man preventi… moreng him from that, then it's off to the Farm for him and TJ. Toad refused money from me once, so while my suspicion says that he's going to use Crane's money irresponsibly, I'm cautiously optimistic. And on a less altruistic note, I didn't want that much cash on my person when I went to see the Crooked Man; if I'm making donations, I'd rather it be willingly.
For Colin, in the immediate future it's ok with me that he stays as long as he's in the Woodlands. Bufkin and him can get drunk in the office or something, he need not stay in my crappy apartment all day. After this Crooked Man thing is deal with, either I'll liquidate enough of his stuff or use my bonus (Snow /is/ going to pay me for saving everyone, right?) to get Colin a glamour. Barring that, Greenleaf owes me at least one favor for saving… [view original content]
Exactly--if, as a last resort, I have to find work out of the public eye for my non-human pal Colin, there's precedent for it. It would take a lot for me to send Colin to the Farm, the least reason that Bigby wouldn't be allowed there for visits. If I can get away with giving Greenleaf a job, I can offer something to a friend.
The reason no one is pressing Bufkin to get a glamour is because when he's not stealing alcohol from Crane, Snow, and Bigby he's reading (mostly how to pick locks) or working (millions of books). The Magic Mirror is stationary.
Riiiiiight. But I don't care about that. You're making it sound like I have to convince him, and I don't. Either he does what I say, or he goes away. I can't make that any more clear. So if what you say is true, and Toad still doesn't get a glamour, that's fine. I'll have no problem sending him away at that point.
Except Toad is arbitrary from what we already know. Knowledge that someone else was sent to the Farm that got breaks and getting the money to get a glamour would make him feel like being on thin ice with Bigby lending him a hand.
I hope so too. I've always pictured Toad as a pudgy, balding blonde with bright red cheeks. Words can't even express how adorable I imagine TJ would be.
I was prepared to send Toad to the Farm, but I was baffled to learn he hadn't been paid at all by the Business Office for the damage to his car and appartment in Episode 1. So I confiscated Crane's money, gave it to Business Office, which used it to refund Toad - well, I kind of skipped the middle-man and gave it to him directly. But I agree with what Bigby said : no more excuses now, next time is a ticket to the Farm.
The thing is you'll have to find him if he didn't get a glamour. Toad would not go to the Woodlands freely if he ain't glamoured after what you and Snow said. A little common sense can't hurt.
Riiiiiight. But I don't care about that. You're making it sound like I have to convince him, and I don't. Either he does what I say, or he g… moreoes away. I can't make that any more clear. So if what you say is true, and Toad still doesn't get a glamour, that's fine. I'll have no problem sending him away at that point.
Not that I disagree with your statement because in my opinion, I too decided to let these animals without glamour walk around the city, but not because Its my orders or because they are cool characters, but because I was simply paying too much attention to the story over the Fabletown government. Here are my 3 reasons I chose to keep them.
Like the game says, there are consequences. So If I chose to send them in which they don't want to go, then most likely they are going to do something to harm the main character whether it be physical, verbal, mental, or emotional help/harm. For example, The Big Bad Wolf blow his house down, not sending him to the Farm could make up for it in Episode 5: Cry Wolf Chapter 2-A House made of Straws, and for Toads sake could mean that all the damages Wolf had caused could be repaid for if you don't send to the Farm. We have seen so in these episodes.
As you can see In Episode 1: Faith, Colin says that "he didn't escape the farm..." this basically sends a message that if he escaped once, had could do so again and also the friendship of,(not the way I'm thinking using or playing as Bigby) but between him and the way Bigby thinks in the story.
Also, for Colins sake, In the episodes Bigby states "You don't...want me catching you out of Glamour again" & when Bigby smashes toads car, you have the option of complaining toad about toad out of his Glamour. This tells me that as long as you stay out of sight, then your good. This is proven because in Episode 4: In Sheeps Clothing, You will have to speak to toad about his Glamour, Toad will complain about Colin being able to be about without Glamour. You have the option of telling Toad that Colin nows how to stay out of sight.
If running around FableTown with Glamour is illegal, but making Fake Glamour isn't then that makes no one in the FableTown Government Business really cares about order, becuase they would be putting none priority before main priority. This has led them where so far? Well, This has put them on an even longer wild goose chase because anyone could basically look like anyone.
I personally think that animals who don't know how to stay out of sight like Toad should be sent to them Farm as for other animals that do have that skill and intelligence like Colin should be exempted from this rule.
I'm just trying to get point across, but anyway this game is tailored by how you play so you can make your own choices.
The thing is you'll have to find him if he didn't get a glamour. Toad would not go to the Woodlands freely if he ain't glamoured after what you and Snow said. A little common sense can't hurt.
The thing is he knows you'll look at his apartment to get TJ to tell who dumped the body. Bigby also has the option to give the money to the witch Toad sees which I'm more inclined to do when not leading him the way. Toad can stay if he gets the glamour and a forcefully inclined outcome is better than an uncertain one.
IDK us New Yorkers (well NYC isn't, have not heard about it in Nassau or Suffolk County either) are not use to having pet pigs, plus I'm sure someone would scoop Colin up for dinner or to serve to customers.
Actually Snow held her job longer than Bigby since Crane was constantly embezzling funds to play out his sick fantasies. Snow's comments can get confusing. She wants everyone to see Bigby the way she sees Bigby.
Don't worry, I'll find him. Or I won't and he'll never be seen again. You're making up scenarios. That's why its a choice, you can be inclined to handle it however you like, and the same goes for me and every other player.
The thing is he knows you'll look at his apartment to get TJ to tell who dumped the body. Bigby also has the option to give the money to the… more witch Toad sees which I'm more inclined to do when not leading him the way. Toad can stay if he gets the glamour and a forcefully inclined outcome is better than an uncertain one.
So true. That was obnoxious. I like Colin, but he can get in the way sometimes. He totally killed the mood in that scene. I should've sent him to the Farm for that, but I didn't.
And the sparks almost did fly, but Colin couldn't keep his snout shut. It looked like Snow was more pissed at it more than Bigby, which coul… mored explain what he said to Snow in the comics after their memory blockout and that's when she was really pissed at Bigby.
Everytime Crane is out, Snow was the acting Deputy Mayor. Cole is constantly traveling, Crane is constantly at the Pudding 'n' Pie, hence Snow acts as Deputy Mayor.
The puzzles are complicating, and it takes a while to notice some of them, Colin's situation is one, remember the line "I've seen the way you looked at Snow, you're not fooling me." I think Bill Willingham should show us how he would play The Wolf Among Us w/ commentary, especially episode 4.
So true. That was obnoxious. I like Colin, but he can get in the way sometimes. He totally killed the mood in that scene. I should've sent him to the Farm for that, but I didn't.
The reason I chose not send Collin or Toad to the farm is because I don't Think the way they are being treated is right. fables that don't naturally look human are treated like second class citizens. fables like Toad and Collin who look different than everyone else are told they either have to pay(with no compensation or monetary help from Fabletown) to look normal or live their life at the farm constantly under the watch by humanoid fables. I understand that it's not considered a prison, it's not only to keep Fabletown safe but also gives those who can't afford glamors a place where they can move about freely without worrying about being spotted,Which is a nice story, but I can't help but wonder why all of the jobs are filled by fables who don't need glamor if it was truly for everyone's good wouldn't it make more sense for the farm to hire within, to allow fables who wish to live in fable town an opportunity to earn enough money to buy glamors so they could again live as they chose. this would be an incredible opportunity especially to fables like Collin who...well...have no thumbs... they could enter fabletown already glamored and ready to work, but instead of treating them like equals it seems they're treated more like animals, given very little choice in their own lives. I know most of the information I got about the farm came "straight form the pigs mouth" but considering he's the only one I I know that has been there and that at the mere mention of the farm anyone who uses glamor winches in fear. I really wouldn't feel comfortable sending anyone there until I could check it out for my self
You can send Colin to the Farm without worries, he never ends up on the Farm. Colin escapes the transport, eats anything he can on the way to NYC and immediately goes to Bigby's apartment. The reason most nonhuman fables don't like the Farm is that they can't explore. The Farm is also segregated into tiny fables (who love the Farm and the males can only leave the Farm once to go to the Business Office to get a 'perfect' bride), the giants who sleep all day and love the Farm, and the mixed nonhuman fables (mostly animal fables) who tend to hate the Farm (Reynard the Fox, Stinky the Badger, and Mary's Little Lamb love the Farm).
The reason I chose not send Collin or Toad to the farm is because I don't Think the way they are being treated is right. fables that don't n… moreaturally look human are treated like second class citizens. fables like Toad and Collin who look different than everyone else are told they either have to pay(with no compensation or monetary help from Fabletown) to look normal or live their life at the farm constantly under the watch by humanoid fables. I understand that it's not considered a prison, it's not only to keep Fabletown safe but also gives those who can't afford glamors a place where they can move about freely without worrying about being spotted,Which is a nice story, but I can't help but wonder why all of the jobs are filled by fables who don't need glamor if it was truly for everyone's good wouldn't it make more sense for the farm to hire within, to allow fables who wish to live in fable town an opportunity to earn enough money to buy glam… [view original content]
That would be an actual argument if new yorkers couldn't tell when they're sober. The farm isn't a prison, it's a huge and beautiful and ver… morey comfortable place to live without endangering your community. If my friend could inadvertently ruin my life and the lives of everybody I cared about just by hanging around, and in fact only hung around because he was bored, then yes, I'd most definitely send him away. If I was a cop with a huge family to support and an old pal wanted to hide his drugs in my apartment, I'd turn him down too.
But that's just it, there's no way to mass-produce glamours. The magic involved is too hard and time-consuming to weave, and the components … moreare too rare and valuable, which is why they have to be so expensive. Nobody is hoarding them, there just aren't enough witches and ingredients available to provide everybody with glamours. It's not because of a rotten system or anybody's greed, it's just physically and logistically impossible. Letting non-glamoured fables run around in public doesn't help anything, and the only way it changes things is by causing problems and risking the community as a whole.
I've let Colin stay. He's my friend, he will stay at my apartment and pig isn't that bad. For Toad though... I don't know if I made the right choice, even if I said I did. Letting him stay and promising to find some money for him will be difficult, but I guess I owed him that much. I broke his car, beat him a little, wasn't his best friend to say the least. It's his final chance in my book, and if he fails to purchase glamour again, he will leave for the Farm. But I think I must've given him this one possibility to stay, even if Snow's gonna be pissed.
Hmm I think I played this a bit different to everyone else, Colin I sent straight to the farm for obvious reasons. But toad was a harder decision at first, I had the money at it was an option to fund his glamours, and then he goes skipping out the door and all I was left with is four very disrespectful explanations, replayed that pretty quick.
I'm not a comic reader but I sympathized. Toad is a pain in the butt but he had a point about Bigby trashing his stuff so I personally figured I'd give Toad one last chance. I just really hope he does use that money on a glamour and that we will get to see him all glamoured up! If he doesn't then he will have to go to the farm. With Colin, well they clearly have history and as far as I can tell Colin is hiding out at Bigby's so it's not like he's flaunting the fact he has no glamour and he's only going to keep escaping from the farm anyway. Why send him back to a place he can't stand (and will only escape from again anyway) if he's not hurting anyone?
Ofcourse in my alt save I'm going to have to send them both to the farm. ^^;
Maybe you have to be a comic reader to really sympathize but the nonhuman fables really do see the Farm as a prison. They have to stay on th… moreis relatively small area for eternity while the human Fables can go anywhere in the world they please, and like it says in the Book of Fables, all the positions of power are held by humans. They feel subjugated because of the way they look and glamours are so expensive that people like Gren live in poverty to afford them or buy black market. It's not hard to understand why Colin or Toad are resentful and try to get away with what they can. In the end, they will have to go but in the short term while Bigby is trying to solve this case, they are fine. I gave Toad money, hopefully he will use it the way he is supposed to, and Colin is safe in Bigby's place.
If you read everything on Crane's desk in episode 3, you'll know that the unrest just started not too long ago (4 days probably). Colin always escapes before reaching the Farm until Snow personally oversees his return to the Farm.
That's true, and it's also irrelevant. Nobody's pointing loaded guns at them for being malcontents, they aren't being mistreated by psychopath darwinists and the only alternative endangers everybody else, and yes, the situation is exactly the same as the ones I outlined. Nobody is saying that it's a perfect or fair solution, but it's the only one that works in the long run. Making exceptions for your friends will destabilize Fabletown and lead to disaster. Don't kid yourself, everybody getting a glamour and "living happily" isn't even remotely possible. Read some of the other comments, most of your arguments have already been discussed.
"The farm isn't a prison" "beautiful and comfortable place to live"
Well that's what Reggie said about carver's camp AND NOW LOOK WHAT HAPP… moreENED TO HIM.
It doesn't matter how beautiful and comfortable it is, all non-human fables sees it as a prison that's why they don't wanna get back.
And I agree with what you said about sending your friend to the prison but those are totally different situations. Besides we collected a lot of money during the investigation, TellTale should give us the option to give colin some of it just like toad so everyone can get a glamour and live happily(remember that bigby owes him for that house of hay he destroyed at the homelands)... but I really doubt we'll get a happy ending
There simply aren't enough materials and resources to make glamours for everybody who wants one, which is why they're so expensive. If more fables could afford the current prices then the witches would have to keep increasing them to be able to keep up. It just isn't a solution. Logistically, Fabletown isn't in a position to treat everybody equally. It's that simple. And the farm is a perfectly comfortable place to live, you can read about it on the Fables wiki.
The reason I chose not send Collin or Toad to the farm is because I don't Think the way they are being treated is right. fables that don't n… moreaturally look human are treated like second class citizens. fables like Toad and Collin who look different than everyone else are told they either have to pay(with no compensation or monetary help from Fabletown) to look normal or live their life at the farm constantly under the watch by humanoid fables. I understand that it's not considered a prison, it's not only to keep Fabletown safe but also gives those who can't afford glamors a place where they can move about freely without worrying about being spotted,Which is a nice story, but I can't help but wonder why all of the jobs are filled by fables who don't need glamor if it was truly for everyone's good wouldn't it make more sense for the farm to hire within, to allow fables who wish to live in fable town an opportunity to earn enough money to buy glam… [view original content]
Toad owns the apartment building he lives in, and collects rent from all the tenants. He'll do fine as long as he doesn't cheap out on the glamours to save money again.
Yeah but you heard what colin said? he said "can't I just hang out here at least" I mean it's not like a mundy's gonna get into bigby's apartment and find colin (I'm just saying that the farm is so terrible place that colin and toad prefer staying in an old apartment than getting beck there, I'm not sayin' that it's like carver's camp)
And I know we'll never get a happy ending
"Read some of the other comments , most of your arguments have already been discussed" well I'm sorry but I like discussing them anyway.
And am I the only one here that sees it's not fair because Bufkin doesn't have to go ? What? just because he works for the business office doesn't mean he gets an exception. But it's better that way , We don't need somebody else to "Discuss" about.
That's true, and it's also irrelevant. Nobody's pointing loaded guns at them for being malcontents, they aren't being mistreated by psychopa… moreth darwinists and the only alternative endangers everybody else, and yes, the situation is exactly the same as the ones I outlined. Nobody is saying that it's a perfect or fair solution, but it's the only one that works in the long run. Making exceptions for your friends will destabilize Fabletown and lead to disaster. Don't kid yourself, everybody getting a glamour and "living happily" isn't even remotely possible. Read some of the other comments, most of your arguments have already been discussed.
I completely agree with you, although I only gave Toad money and another chance because I care about Toad Jr. That little squirt shouldn't have to stay in a place like the Farm, which is supposedly a prison. : 0
I'm not a comic reader but I sympathized. Toad is a pain in the butt but he had a point about Bigby trashing his stuff so I personally figur… moreed I'd give Toad one last chance. I just really hope he does use that money on a glamour and that we will get to see him all glamoured up! If he doesn't then he will have to go to the farm. With Colin, well they clearly have history and as far as I can tell Colin is hiding out at Bigby's so it's not like he's flaunting the fact he has no glamour and he's only going to keep escaping from the farm anyway. Why send him back to a place he can't stand (and will only escape from again anyway) if he's not hurting anyone?
Ofcourse in my alt save I'm going to have to send them both to the farm. ^^;
Yeah but you heard what colin said? he said "can't I just hang out here at least" I mean it's not like a mundy's gonna get into bigby's apar… moretment and find colin (I'm just saying that the farm is so terrible place that colin and toad prefer staying in an old apartment than getting beck there, I'm not sayin' that it's like carver's camp)
And I know we'll never get a happy ending
"Read some of the other comments , most of your arguments have already been discussed" well I'm sorry but I like discussing them anyway.
And am I the only one here that sees it's not fair because Bufkin doesn't have to go ? What? just because he works for the business office doesn't mean he gets an exception. But it's better that way , We don't need somebody else to "Discuss" about.
I'm sorry, by no means did I mean to yell about my reasoning for not sending them to the farm. It seemed like you thought the only reason people didn't send them was because they were good characters or the players just didn't want to make enemy's, but that's not the case for everyone.I thought you wanted to hear peoples reasoning that's the only reason I posted it. The reason I like telltale games so much is because it gives you stories and choices that make you think, What would I do? even if you make the same choices as someone else if your reason for making that choice is different than theirs then you walk away with a completely different experience, and I really dig that! and enjoy hearing how other people got to their decision. I definitely wasn't trying to push my ideals on anyone. I respect your argument and completely understand your reasoning. That's one of the cool things about morals choices there's no right or wrong. I'm truly sorry for any offense I've caused I really didn't mean shoot my mouth of and sorry that it came off that way.
There simply aren't enough materials and resources to make glamours for everybody who wants one, which is why they're so expensive. If more … morefables could afford the current prices then the witches would have to keep increasing them to be able to keep up. It just isn't a solution. Logistically, Fabletown isn't in a position to treat everybody equally. It's that simple. And the farm is a perfectly comfortable place to live, you can read about it on the Fables wiki.
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound like you were being overbearing, I just meant that making big assumptions about things and then basing moral decisions on those assumptions without ever actually looking into the subject when information is readily available isn't, generally speaking, defensible logic. It wasn't supposed to sound like some kind of personal accusation. Stupid phrasing.
I'm sorry, by no means did I mean to yell about my reasoning for not sending them to the farm. It seemed like you thought the only reason pe… moreople didn't send them was because they were good characters or the players just didn't want to make enemy's, but that's not the case for everyone.I thought you wanted to hear peoples reasoning that's the only reason I posted it. The reason I like telltale games so much is because it gives you stories and choices that make you think, What would I do? even if you make the same choices as someone else if your reason for making that choice is different than theirs then you walk away with a completely different experience, and I really dig that! and enjoy hearing how other people got to their decision. I definitely wasn't trying to push my ideals on anyone. I respect your argument and completely understand your reasoning. That's one of the cool things about morals choices there's no right or wrong. I'm truly s… [view original content]
Listen to their dialogue. Colin wants off the farm because he's been there for 400 years and is bored out of his mind to the point where Bigby's apartment and company and the occasional foray into the city is a more exciting prospect. Toad doesn't want to go there because he feels that he's better than all the other animal fables, and would be humiliated to have to join them. Neither wants to avoid it because it's a terrible place, and neither reason is good enough for me to endanger the rest of Fabletown over it. As for Bufkin, considering that he must be collecting a steady wage for his job as the Woodlands librarian, it's quite likely that he does in fact have a glamour. Unlike Colin he never actually goes into the street and any mundy who manages to find his way into the office would have to be memory-wiped anyway, so maybe he just decides to spend all his time in his natural form.
Yeah but you heard what colin said? he said "can't I just hang out here at least" I mean it's not like a mundy's gonna get into bigby's apar… moretment and find colin (I'm just saying that the farm is so terrible place that colin and toad prefer staying in an old apartment than getting beck there, I'm not sayin' that it's like carver's camp)
And I know we'll never get a happy ending
"Read some of the other comments , most of your arguments have already been discussed" well I'm sorry but I like discussing them anyway.
And am I the only one here that sees it's not fair because Bufkin doesn't have to go ? What? just because he works for the business office doesn't mean he gets an exception. But it's better that way , We don't need somebody else to "Discuss" about.
It's not a prison. Look it up, it's an enormous plot of forest and hillside with its own town filled with comfortable houses and farms where animal fables can live and interact freely, so long as they don't actually leave the general area and risk being seen by mundies. I'm personally tempted to send Toad and his son there if only so that Toad Jr. wouldn't have to grow up so lonely and surrounded by people he has absolutely nothing in common with. He'd be happier there. I'd move there myself if I was a fable, whether I was human or animal.
I completely agree with you, although I only gave Toad money and another chance because I care about Toad Jr. That little squirt shouldn't have to stay in a place like the Farm, which is supposedly a prison. : 0
Actually there are fables that love the Farm. There is Reynard the Fox, Stinky the Badger (Toad's best friend), and Mary's Little Lamb (lots of places to graze). There are also the smallest fables in which the males have 1 attempt at getting barleycorn to get a Barleycorn Bride from the Woodlands. And than there are the giants who love sleeping all day, even though they must wear something green, brown, or gray.
Hey, no harm no foul buddy. I can see you're big fan of the comics so it's understandable if you get a bit frustrated at people who don't bother to look into what their talking about. I probably should of mentioned that I'm playing purely as a telltale fan and I was only using the information the game gave me to make my decision. going to look things up kind of breaks the Emerson for me,If you know what i mean. No hard feelings
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound like you were being overbearing, I just meant that making big assumptions about things and then basing … moremoral decisions on those assumptions without ever actually looking into the subject when information is readily available isn't, generally speaking, defensible logic. It wasn't supposed to sound like some kind of personal accusation. Stupid phrasing.
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I gave Toad a fat roll of cash, so yeah, if he puts off getting a glamour again and there aren't circumstances like the Crooked Man preventing him from that, then it's off to the Farm for him and TJ. Toad refused money from me once, so while my suspicion says that he's going to use Crane's money irresponsibly, I'm cautiously optimistic. And on a less altruistic note, I didn't want that much cash on my person when I went to see the Crooked Man; if I'm making donations, I'd rather it be willingly.
For Colin, in the immediate future it's ok with me that he stays as long as he's in the Woodlands. Bufkin and him can get drunk in the office or something, he need not stay in my crappy apartment all day. After this Crooked Man thing is deal with, either I'll liquidate enough of his stuff or use my bonus (Snow /is/ going to pay me for saving everyone, right?) to get Colin a glamour. Barring that, Greenleaf owes me at least one favor for saving her tree and giving her a nice job.
No one is pressing for Bufkin or the Mirror to get a glamour, so there are obviously roles that can be filled for non-human Fables in NY as long as they don't interact with Mundies. If I really, really need them to, I can make things work.
The reason no one is pressing Bufkin to get a glamour is because when he's not stealing alcohol from Crane, Snow, and Bigby he's reading (mostly how to pick locks) or working (millions of books). The Magic Mirror is stationary.
Exactly--if, as a last resort, I have to find work out of the public eye for my non-human pal Colin, there's precedent for it. It would take a lot for me to send Colin to the Farm, the least reason that Bigby wouldn't be allowed there for visits. If I can get away with giving Greenleaf a job, I can offer something to a friend.
Riiiiiight. But I don't care about that. You're making it sound like I have to convince him, and I don't. Either he does what I say, or he goes away. I can't make that any more clear. So if what you say is true, and Toad still doesn't get a glamour, that's fine. I'll have no problem sending him away at that point.
I hope so too. I've always pictured Toad as a pudgy, balding blonde with bright red cheeks. Words can't even express how adorable I imagine TJ would be.
I was prepared to send Toad to the Farm, but I was baffled to learn he hadn't been paid at all by the Business Office for the damage to his car and appartment in Episode 1. So I confiscated Crane's money, gave it to Business Office, which used it to refund Toad - well, I kind of skipped the middle-man and gave it to him directly. But I agree with what Bigby said : no more excuses now, next time is a ticket to the Farm.
The thing is you'll have to find him if he didn't get a glamour. Toad would not go to the Woodlands freely if he ain't glamoured after what you and Snow said. A little common sense can't hurt.
Not that I disagree with your statement because in my opinion, I too decided to let these animals without glamour walk around the city, but not because Its my orders or because they are cool characters, but because I was simply paying too much attention to the story over the Fabletown government. Here are my 3 reasons I chose to keep them.
If running around FableTown with Glamour is illegal, but making Fake Glamour isn't then that makes no one in the FableTown Government Business really cares about order, becuase they would be putting none priority before main priority. This has led them where so far? Well, This has put them on an even longer wild goose chase because anyone could basically look like anyone.
I personally think that animals who don't know how to stay out of sight like Toad should be sent to them Farm as for other animals that do have that skill and intelligence like Colin should be exempted from this rule.
I'm just trying to get point across, but anyway this game is tailored by how you play so you can make your own choices.
..So I'll check in on him. I know where he lives. Your attempt at condescension has failed.
The thing is he knows you'll look at his apartment to get TJ to tell who dumped the body. Bigby also has the option to give the money to the witch Toad sees which I'm more inclined to do when not leading him the way. Toad can stay if he gets the glamour and a forcefully inclined outcome is better than an uncertain one.
At night, Bigby makes Colin squeal like a pig and porks him in the ass.
I was referring to her new job as Deputy Mayor, not her previous position. Sorry if I was unclear.
Don't worry, I'll find him. Or I won't and he'll never be seen again. You're making up scenarios. That's why its a choice, you can be inclined to handle it however you like, and the same goes for me and every other player.
So true.
That was obnoxious. I like Colin, but he can get in the way sometimes. He totally killed the mood in that scene. I should've sent him to the Farm for that, but I didn't. 
Everytime Crane is out, Snow was the acting Deputy Mayor. Cole is constantly traveling, Crane is constantly at the Pudding 'n' Pie, hence Snow acts as Deputy Mayor.
The puzzles are complicating, and it takes a while to notice some of them, Colin's situation is one, remember the line "I've seen the way you looked at Snow, you're not fooling me." I think Bill Willingham should show us how he would play The Wolf Among Us w/ commentary, especially episode 4.
The reason I chose not send Collin or Toad to the farm is because I don't Think the way they are being treated is right. fables that don't naturally look human are treated like second class citizens. fables like Toad and Collin who look different than everyone else are told they either have to pay(with no compensation or monetary help from Fabletown) to look normal or live their life at the farm constantly under the watch by humanoid fables. I understand that it's not considered a prison, it's not only to keep Fabletown safe but also gives those who can't afford glamors a place where they can move about freely without worrying about being spotted,Which is a nice story, but I can't help but wonder why all of the jobs are filled by fables who don't need glamor if it was truly for everyone's good wouldn't it make more sense for the farm to hire within, to allow fables who wish to live in fable town an opportunity to earn enough money to buy glamors so they could again live as they chose. this would be an incredible opportunity especially to fables like Collin who...well...have no thumbs... they could enter fabletown already glamored and ready to work, but instead of treating them like equals it seems they're treated more like animals, given very little choice in their own lives. I know most of the information I got about the farm came "straight form the pigs mouth" but considering he's the only one I I know that has been there and that at the mere mention of the farm anyone who uses glamor winches in fear. I really wouldn't feel comfortable sending anyone there until I could check it out for my self
You can send Colin to the Farm without worries, he never ends up on the Farm. Colin escapes the transport, eats anything he can on the way to NYC and immediately goes to Bigby's apartment. The reason most nonhuman fables don't like the Farm is that they can't explore. The Farm is also segregated into tiny fables (who love the Farm and the males can only leave the Farm once to go to the Business Office to get a 'perfect' bride), the giants who sleep all day and love the Farm, and the mixed nonhuman fables (mostly animal fables) who tend to hate the Farm (Reynard the Fox, Stinky the Badger, and Mary's Little Lamb love the Farm).
colin in episode 1 refers to the farm as a prison and no one who lives there likes it
colin isnt running around in public and toad seems like he has himself a glamour if you give him the money so no one is breaking rules
hopefully toad now that he looks human can get himself a job and build himself a good life where he can have glamours all the time
I've let Colin stay. He's my friend, he will stay at my apartment and pig isn't that bad. For Toad though... I don't know if I made the right choice, even if I said I did. Letting him stay and promising to find some money for him will be difficult, but I guess I owed him that much. I broke his car, beat him a little, wasn't his best friend to say the least. It's his final chance in my book, and if he fails to purchase glamour again, he will leave for the Farm. But I think I must've given him this one possibility to stay, even if Snow's gonna be pissed.
Hmm I think I played this a bit different to everyone else, Colin I sent straight to the farm for obvious reasons. But toad was a harder decision at first, I had the money at it was an option to fund his glamours, and then he goes skipping out the door and all I was left with is four very disrespectful explanations, replayed that pretty quick.
i have a soft spot for colin because what happened to him in the comics.
FABLES COMIC SPOILERS
filler for spoilers
he's dead and beheaded
I'm not a comic reader but I sympathized. Toad is a pain in the butt but he had a point about Bigby trashing his stuff so I personally figured I'd give Toad one last chance. I just really hope he does use that money on a glamour and that we will get to see him all glamoured up! If he doesn't then he will have to go to the farm. With Colin, well they clearly have history and as far as I can tell Colin is hiding out at Bigby's so it's not like he's flaunting the fact he has no glamour and he's only going to keep escaping from the farm anyway. Why send him back to a place he can't stand (and will only escape from again anyway) if he's not hurting anyone?
Ofcourse in my alt save I'm going to have to send them both to the farm. ^^;
If you read everything on Crane's desk in episode 3, you'll know that the unrest just started not too long ago (4 days probably). Colin always escapes before reaching the Farm until Snow personally oversees his return to the Farm.
That's true, and it's also irrelevant. Nobody's pointing loaded guns at them for being malcontents, they aren't being mistreated by psychopath darwinists and the only alternative endangers everybody else, and yes, the situation is exactly the same as the ones I outlined. Nobody is saying that it's a perfect or fair solution, but it's the only one that works in the long run. Making exceptions for your friends will destabilize Fabletown and lead to disaster. Don't kid yourself, everybody getting a glamour and "living happily" isn't even remotely possible. Read some of the other comments, most of your arguments have already been discussed.
There simply aren't enough materials and resources to make glamours for everybody who wants one, which is why they're so expensive. If more fables could afford the current prices then the witches would have to keep increasing them to be able to keep up. It just isn't a solution. Logistically, Fabletown isn't in a position to treat everybody equally. It's that simple. And the farm is a perfectly comfortable place to live, you can read about it on the Fables wiki.
Toad owns the apartment building he lives in, and collects rent from all the tenants. He'll do fine as long as he doesn't cheap out on the glamours to save money again.
Ah, to think that slash fiction would be more of a Walking Dead thing.
Yeah but you heard what colin said? he said "can't I just hang out here at least" I mean it's not like a mundy's gonna get into bigby's apartment and find colin (I'm just saying that the farm is so terrible place that colin and toad prefer staying in an old apartment than getting beck there, I'm not sayin' that it's like carver's camp)
And I know we'll never get a happy ending
"Read some of the other comments , most of your arguments have already been discussed" well I'm sorry but I like discussing them anyway.
And am I the only one here that sees it's not fair because Bufkin doesn't have to go ? What? just because he works for the business office doesn't mean he gets an exception. But it's better that way , We don't need somebody else to "Discuss" about.
I completely agree with you, although I only gave Toad money and another chance because I care about Toad Jr. That little squirt shouldn't have to stay in a place like the Farm, which is supposedly a prison. : 0
Bufkin is the only one who can handle all those books...
I'm sorry, by no means did I mean to yell about my reasoning for not sending them to the farm. It seemed like you thought the only reason people didn't send them was because they were good characters or the players just didn't want to make enemy's, but that's not the case for everyone.I thought you wanted to hear peoples reasoning that's the only reason I posted it. The reason I like telltale games so much is because it gives you stories and choices that make you think, What would I do? even if you make the same choices as someone else if your reason for making that choice is different than theirs then you walk away with a completely different experience, and I really dig that! and enjoy hearing how other people got to their decision. I definitely wasn't trying to push my ideals on anyone. I respect your argument and completely understand your reasoning. That's one of the cool things about morals choices there's no right or wrong. I'm truly sorry for any offense I've caused I really didn't mean shoot my mouth of and sorry that it came off that way.
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound like you were being overbearing, I just meant that making big assumptions about things and then basing moral decisions on those assumptions without ever actually looking into the subject when information is readily available isn't, generally speaking, defensible logic. It wasn't supposed to sound like some kind of personal accusation. Stupid phrasing.
Listen to their dialogue. Colin wants off the farm because he's been there for 400 years and is bored out of his mind to the point where Bigby's apartment and company and the occasional foray into the city is a more exciting prospect. Toad doesn't want to go there because he feels that he's better than all the other animal fables, and would be humiliated to have to join them. Neither wants to avoid it because it's a terrible place, and neither reason is good enough for me to endanger the rest of Fabletown over it. As for Bufkin, considering that he must be collecting a steady wage for his job as the Woodlands librarian, it's quite likely that he does in fact have a glamour. Unlike Colin he never actually goes into the street and any mundy who manages to find his way into the office would have to be memory-wiped anyway, so maybe he just decides to spend all his time in his natural form.
It's not a prison. Look it up, it's an enormous plot of forest and hillside with its own town filled with comfortable houses and farms where animal fables can live and interact freely, so long as they don't actually leave the general area and risk being seen by mundies. I'm personally tempted to send Toad and his son there if only so that Toad Jr. wouldn't have to grow up so lonely and surrounded by people he has absolutely nothing in common with. He'd be happier there. I'd move there myself if I was a fable, whether I was human or animal.
Actually there are fables that love the Farm. There is Reynard the Fox, Stinky the Badger (Toad's best friend), and Mary's Little Lamb (lots of places to graze). There are also the smallest fables in which the males have 1 attempt at getting barleycorn to get a Barleycorn Bride from the Woodlands. And than there are the giants who love sleeping all day, even though they must wear something green, brown, or gray.
Hey, no harm no foul buddy. I can see you're big fan of the comics so it's understandable if you get a bit frustrated at people who don't bother to look into what their talking about. I probably should of mentioned that I'm playing purely as a telltale fan and I was only using the information the game gave me to make my decision. going to look things up kind of breaks the Emerson for me,If you know what i mean. No hard feelings
I like how you put that Snow White is just the Side kick that creates sexual tension xD that is so true