Personally, I'd sooner give Colin cash for glamours than Toad. Toad is a two-faced liar. He acts nice to your face if he needs something, but has utter contempt and zero respect for you when your back is turned. He is an entitled little bitch as well. He wants to stay in the city, but I seriously doubt his son feels the same. What's better for TJ, living in what is pretty much The Shire, where he can freely interact with anyone he wants, or stay hidden in small apartment in a fucking slum because his awful father can't afford glamours again?
Personally, I'd sooner give Colin cash for glamours than Toad. Toad is a two-faced liar. He acts nice to your face if he needs something, bu… moret has utter contempt and zero respect for you when your back is turned. He is an entitled little bitch as well. He wants to stay in the city, but I seriously doubt his son feels the same. What's better for TJ, living in what is pretty much The Shire, where he can freely interact with anyone he wants, or stay hidden in small apartment in a fucking slum because his awful father can't afford glamours again?
I'll keep it for him until we can go to the 13th floor together to hook him up.
Collin is most likely nothing but a lazy mooch (he is the pig that built the straw house, after all), but at least he's straight with you and isn't responsible for a small child.
I don't understand why the U.S government doesn't take care of Fabletown.. unless Fabletown is like a hidden society with their own government.. the mayor but he's gone who knows where. While Snow White is the one who's in charge with Bigby Wolf.
I'll keep it for him until we can go to the 13th floor together to hook him up.
Collin is most likely nothing but a lazy mooch (he is the… more pig that built the straw house, after all), but at least he's straight with you and isn't responsible for a small child.
I don't understand why the U.S government doesn't take care of Fabletown.. unless Fabletown is like a hidden society with their own government.. the mayor but he's gone who knows where. While Snow White is the one who's in charge with Bigby Wolf.
I can see why it would seem weird, supplying an in-game atmosphere with outside information, but Bigby and Snow already know what the farm is like, even if he's never been there personally. It's not "metagaming". By deciding that people sound afraid of the farm and so it must be a horrible place and then refusing to verify that even though the character you play is aware of the actual facts, you're effectively making up an entirely new canon where Fabletown has been ruthlessly sending their animal fables to some vaguely terrifying prison camp and mistreating them horribly for 400 years... just because.
It's a fair way to play the game, obviously, but it doesn't respect the existing characters and circumstances and it isn't rational. And as for Colin and Toad, if you listen to them talk about it it's pretty clear that Colin is just bored there, and Toad holds himself above other animal fables and finds the idea of being treated like them humiliating. That's why they don't want to go, respectively. It has nothing to do with the farm being an unpleasant place to live.
Hey, no harm no foul buddy. I can see you're big fan of the comics so it's understandable if you get a bit frustrated at people who don't bo… morether to look into what their talking about. I probably should of mentioned that I'm playing purely as a telltale fan and I was only using the information the game gave me to make my decision. going to look things up kind of breaks the Emerson for me,If you know what i mean. No hard feelings
Not anymore, now she's taken up her responsibilities and is working and thinking for herself instead of hanging around Bigby without any sort initiative, which some players seem to resent. She's become more fleshed-out, but yes, she was definitely the sidekick in the beginning.
You do have an excellent sense of listening. I'd like to add a simpler version of what you said in the second paragraph. The Farm is for most fables as boring as a prison. Toad is living in the past like Beauty & Beast and sees himself as a lord.
I can see why it would seem weird, supplying an in-game atmosphere with outside information, but Bigby and Snow already know what the farm i… mores like, even if he's never been there personally. It's not "metagaming". By deciding that people sound afraid of the farm and so it must be a horrible place and then refusing to verify that even though the character you play is aware of the actual facts, you're effectively making up an entirely new canon where Fabletown has been ruthlessly sending their animal fables to some vaguely terrifying prison camp and mistreating them horribly for 400 years... just because.
It's a fair way to play the game, obviously, but it doesn't respect the existing characters and circumstances and it isn't rational. And as for Colin and Toad, if you listen to them talk about it it's pretty clear that Colin is just bored there, and Toad holds himself above other animal fables and finds the idea of being treated like them hu… [view original content]
I don't say that sending them is wrong or something , every choice has it's good and bad side. For me I did not send them to the farm so everyone sees that bigby has changed and that he cares about people. But like you said this could endanger Fabletown. Anyway we'll never know what was the best decision until the next episode
Listen to their dialogue. Colin wants off the farm because he's been there for 400 years and is bored out of his mind to the point where Big… moreby's apartment and company and the occasional foray into the city is a more exciting prospect. Toad doesn't want to go there because he feels that he's better than all the other animal fables, and would be humiliated to have to join them. Neither wants to avoid it because it's a terrible place, and neither reason is good enough for me to endanger the rest of Fabletown over it. As for Bufkin, considering that he must be collecting a steady wage for his job as the Woodlands librarian, it's quite likely that he does in fact have a glamour. Unlike Colin he never actually goes into the street and any mundy who manages to find his way into the office would have to be memory-wiped anyway, so maybe he just decides to spend all his time in his natural form.
Under absolutely no realistic circumstances will letting Colin stay make Bigby more popular. The other fables who work and starve to maintain their glamours and get to stay in the city will resent him for giving the pig a free pass just because they're buddies. As far as they're concerned, it just makes Bigby a hypocrite who thinks he's above the rules he enforces for the rest of them.
Paying Toad back for the damages in episode 1 and making it clear that the money is for glamours or he'll be out on his ass would conceivably make Bigby look more responsible and rulebound, which is why I did that myself, but not if he simultaneously undermines that impression by playing favorites with Colin.
I think the choices about Colin and Toad are there just to give the player a sense of how their own Bigby operates on the glamour front, I don't see any particular consequences coming up in the final episode. What bothers me is that the majority of players don't seem to take it seriously enough to think any further than "Send him away? Of course not! He's my friend. Who cares what happens to the community as long as he is where he wants to be?"
It's essentially taking a very serious, delicate and complicated issue that defines Fabletown as a community and reducing it to "Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!"
I don't say that sending them is wrong or something , every choice has it's good and bad side. For me I did not send them to the farm so eve… moreryone sees that bigby has changed and that he cares about people. But like you said this could endanger Fabletown. Anyway we'll never know what was the best decision until the next episode
It didn't "happen to him". He decided to take over the farm and lead an ugly, violent revolt that had to be stopped. The only reason I'm nice to him in the game is that like so many other characters, he's completely different than the character in the books.
No, that's his cousins. Colin has killed by his cousins for failing to do what they asked. Colin's characterization is actually consistent with the books.
It didn't "happen to him". He decided to take over the farm and lead an ugly, violent revolt that had to be stopped. The only reason I'm ni… morece to him in the game is that like so many other characters, he's completely different than the character in the books.
-faye
Wow now take it easy , everyone has his own opinion and everyone wants to do something different. You can't say that people are stupid or they don't take something seriously just because their choice was different. IT'S A GAME!
and it doesn't matter because I'm sure if someone had to do something like this in real life his choice will be different.
"Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!" Okay now that cracked me up. Anyway that was one of the best "and the longest" discussion I've had. Hope you feel the same way.
Under absolutely no realistic circumstances will letting Colin stay make Bigby more popular. The other fables who work and starve to maintai… moren their glamours and get to stay in the city will resent him for giving the pig a free pass just because they're buddies. As far as they're concerned, it just makes Bigby a hypocrite who thinks he's above the rules he enforces for the rest of them.
Paying Toad back for the damages in episode 1 and making it clear that the money is for glamours or he'll be out on his ass would conceivably make Bigby look more responsible and rulebound, which is why I did that myself, but not if he simultaneously undermines that impression by playing favorites with Colin.
I think the choices about Colin and Toad are there just to give the player a sense of how their own Bigby operates on the glamour front, I don't see any particular consequences coming up in the final episode. What bothers me is that the majority of p… [view original content]
Wow now take it easy , everyone has his own opinion and everyone wants to do something different. You can't say that people are stupid or th… moreey don't take something seriously just because their choice was different. IT'S A GAME!
and it doesn't matter because I'm sure if someone had to do something like this in real life his choice will be different.
"Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!" Okay now that cracked me up. Anyway that was one of the best "and the longest" discussion I've had. Hope you feel the same way.
Don't be silly, I'm not disputing any of that. I'm not arguing against players choosing what they want, I'm arguing against the faulty logic many of them seem to do it with. Glad you enjoyed the discussion.
Wow now take it easy , everyone has his own opinion and everyone wants to do something different. You can't say that people are stupid or th… moreey don't take something seriously just because their choice was different. IT'S A GAME!
and it doesn't matter because I'm sure if someone had to do something like this in real life his choice will be different.
"Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!" Okay now that cracked me up. Anyway that was one of the best "and the longest" discussion I've had. Hope you feel the same way.
Not anymore, now she's taken up her responsibilities and is working and thinking for herself instead of hanging around Bigby without any sor… moret initiative, which some players seem to resent. She's become more fleshed-out, but yes, she was definitely the sidekick in the beginning.
I gave toad Crane's money which is technically Fabletown funds to help him replace all the damage Bigby's caused,also to give him a chance to make him responsible for a glamour.As for Colin,well... I already told him what I told to toad in episode 1 about the rules,and for now,during the time of chaos,friends is what matters,just like Nerrisa said.I just hope that they can help me in taking down the crooked man and make things to be more peaceful and stable before Bigby can enforce the rule with lesser consequence.
First off, Colin doesn't have any thumbs to work with, and second, we don't know that Bufkin doesn't, in fact, have a glamour. He spends every waking moment at the business office, and if a mundy ever made their way there they would have to be memory-wiped anyway. He must collect a decent wage for working fulltime at the office, so he should be able to afford it. Maybe he just prefers to stay in his normal skin. It does have wings.
Exactly--if, as a last resort, I have to find work out of the public eye for my non-human pal Colin, there's precedent for it. It would tak… moree a lot for me to send Colin to the Farm, the least reason that Bigby wouldn't be allowed there for visits. If I can get away with giving Greenleaf a job, I can offer something to a friend.
Well, yeah, having a pig bookkeep would be stupid. But he could hear complaints or something, since no one else seems to care about that. It doesn't have to go that far, though; there are three avenues to a glamour I mentioned and all three of them would have to fall through before I went job hunting for a pig. Mostly I added that to show that there are creative solutions for Colin's problem beyond trying to hide him, and that my Bigby would search for them until something sticks.
Bufkin may have a glamour, I can't recall if he wore one in the comics.
First off, Colin doesn't have any thumbs to work with, and second, we don't know that Bufkin doesn't, in fact, have a glamour. He spends eve… morery waking moment at the business office, and if a mundy ever made their way there they would have to be memory-wiped anyway. He must collect a decent wage for working fulltime at the office, so he should be able to afford it. Maybe he just prefers to stay in his normal skin. It does have wings.
Well, yeah, having a pig bookkeep would be stupid. But he could hear complaints or something, since no one else seems to care about that. … moreIt doesn't have to go that far, though; there are three avenues to a glamour I mentioned and all three of them would have to fall through before I went job hunting for a pig. Mostly I added that to show that there are creative solutions for Colin's problem beyond trying to hide him, and that my Bigby would search for them until something sticks.
Bufkin may have a glamour, I can't recall if he wore one in the comics.
Ah, right. Liquidate whose funds? Almost everything at the farm is presumably Fabletown property, Bigby isn't exactly flush with funds, and I don't actually see Snow stretching the budget even more than it already is to fund bonuses. She knows that Bigby doesn't need a lot, and the money are better spent elsewhere unless she gets her hands on all the Crooked Man's assets, as if we'd ever be that lucky. And even then I doubt there'd be enough of a surplus for her to throw money around that carelessly.
You'll also find that while you did not burn Greenleaf's tree, you also froze her business and now you've confiscated her only supply of cheap components. And basically enslaved her - from her point of view. She could have joined up with the other witches on the 13th floor any time she liked in the past 400 years and told us specifically that she didn't want to, good luck convincing her that she owes you a favor. And again, she and her tree are valuable resources in high demand, you'll have a harder time finding something for your friend without thumbs or any marketable skills. If Beast couldn't find a job, how much luck do you imagine Colin will have, even with Bigby's help?
Actually I was referencing the Crooked Man's assets. Magic has a good price on it, magic for magic, some artifact for a glamour, I disagree with your idea that it seems unlikely. As for Snow and Greenleaf, I think we have slightly different character interpretations there. Aunty Greenleaf prefers not to mix her magic with other witches, she's grumpy and prideful about it, but I also think she's not stupid and will see that I've got her a better deal. If Bigby saves the city and Snow doesn't acknowledge it, if she can't afford a glamour out of hand for supporting her as deputy mayor? Then Snow wouldn't have the grasp of politics needed in her position, and since I believe she does, Snow will at the least help Bigby on his way, at the most give him the glamour.
Beauty and Beast want money but aren't willing to become skilled to get it. Beauty does desk work and Beast moves boxes--these are Fables that have lived long enough that they could have picked up a trade if they'd liked, but like Greenleaf, misplaced pride is keeping them from becoming CPAs or chefs or whatever they'd be inclined to be, because in Beauty and Beast's case they're not inclined to learning new skills.
You know, Bigby could always pocket those Tarot cards and he and Colin could start a fortune telling scheme over the phone or online, no need for anyone to know Colin's a pig. I'm not serious, of course. I'm just saying that the tenacious mind will find solutions.
Ah, right. Liquidate whose funds? Almost everything at the farm is presumably Fabletown property, Bigby isn't exactly flush with funds, and … moreI don't actually see Snow stretching the budget even more than it already is to fund bonuses. She knows that Bigby doesn't need a lot, and the money are better spent elsewhere unless she gets her hands on all the Crooked Man's assets, as if we'd ever be that lucky. And even then I doubt there'd be enough of a surplus for her to throw money around that carelessly.
You'll also find that while you did not burn Greenleaf's tree, you also froze her business and now you've confiscated her only supply of cheap components. And basically enslaved her - from her point of view. She could have joined up with the other witches on the 13th floor any time she liked in the past 400 years and told us specifically that she didn't want to, good luck convincing her that she owes you a favor. And again, she and her tree ar… [view original content]
Greenleaf doesn't care what happens which is a sign of arrogance not pride. Greenleaf, Crooky, Dee, Dum, Bloody Mary, and Jersey wanted to make the wrong enemies. Whatever Bigby finds involving a case is his, the rest goes mostly to Fabletown no matter what. Snow already wants revenge and can implement a 99.9% tax on anyone that is inheriting money from The Crooked Man.
All of the fables only have their natural skills. Beast is skilled in lifting and fighting, he won't do anything else. Beauty is good at writing and painting and almost nothing else. Bigby is skilled at fighting, sniffing, and hearing. Bufkin is skilled at reading and flying. Greenleaf is good at carving. Snow is good at politics, talking, fighting, and surviving. None of them can get any other job. Colin can only build straw houses.
The tarot cards only work with Snow because they require magic. Snow is the daughter of a witch.
Actually I was referencing the Crooked Man's assets. Magic has a good price on it, magic for magic, some artifact for a glamour, I disagree… more with your idea that it seems unlikely. As for Snow and Greenleaf, I think we have slightly different character interpretations there. Aunty Greenleaf prefers not to mix her magic with other witches, she's grumpy and prideful about it, but I also think she's not stupid and will see that I've got her a better deal. If Bigby saves the city and Snow doesn't acknowledge it, if she can't afford a glamour out of hand for supporting her as deputy mayor? Then Snow wouldn't have the grasp of politics needed in her position, and since I believe she does, Snow will at the least help Bigby on his way, at the most give him the glamour.
Beauty and Beast want money but aren't willing to become skilled to get it. Beauty does desk work and Beast moves boxes--these are Fables that have lived long enough that they c… [view original content]
Oh, is that a comic thing, that Fables can't learn past a point? But then, how does that work with Cinderella? I'm not sure it holds.
And haha, the cards don't have to work for them to make money off of fortune telling
Besides, they worked fine for Bigby. As I remember, the first reading was Strength, Tower, 10 of Swords.
Which is roughly, the strength to carry through hardship, a sudden disaster (from which new understanding will come), and suicide.
Second was Moon, Hermit, if I remember. There is a mystery which insight will uncover, less interesting to interpret.
Greenleaf doesn't care what happens which is a sign of arrogance not pride. Greenleaf, Crooky, Dee, Dum, Bloody Mary, and Jersey wanted to m… moreake the wrong enemies. Whatever Bigby finds involving a case is his, the rest goes mostly to Fabletown no matter what. Snow already wants revenge and can implement a 99.9% tax on anyone that is inheriting money from The Crooked Man.
All of the fables only have their natural skills. Beast is skilled in lifting and fighting, he won't do anything else. Beauty is good at writing and painting and almost nothing else. Bigby is skilled at fighting, sniffing, and hearing. Bufkin is skilled at reading and flying. Greenleaf is good at carving. Snow is good at politics, talking, fighting, and surviving. None of them can get any other job. Colin can only build straw houses.
The tarot cards only work with Snow because they require magic. Snow is the daughter of a witch.
Cinderella was sneaky in her tale, and she almost never works at her shoe store. The thing is no one would listen if they don't work properly. The reason they worked for Bigby was because Snow White was in the room.
Oh, is that a comic thing, that Fables can't learn past a point? But then, how does that work with Cinderella? I'm not sure it holds.
A… morend haha, the cards don't have to work for them to make money off of fortune telling
Besides, they worked fine for Bigby. As I remember, the first reading was Strength, Tower, 10 of Swords.
Which is roughly, the strength to carry through hardship, a sudden disaster (from which new understanding will come), and suicide.
Second was Moon, Hermit, if I remember. There is a mystery which insight will uncover, less interesting to interpret.
Didn't know either of those, so thanks. Does that apply to personality too, that is, are Beast and Beauty myopic because they're Fables and can't change or because they're actually that selfish after hundreds of years of this? (I do have to disagree on the cards, though. You can BS tarot and people will still pay you for it, so long as you sell it right.)
Cinderella was sneaky in her tale, and she almost never works at her shoe store. The thing is no one would listen if they don't work properly. The reason they worked for Bigby was because Snow White was in the room.
Well it really depends on what characters the player likes and want to keep in their graces, keep on friendly terms with them and what not. the logic is there however, Crane took most of the money, mean while some fables are aren't in glamour - there is a chance that the mundies will see them and all hell break lose, meanwhile Snow and Bigby is in trouble from the Crooked Man and if they don't play their cards way there is going to be gang war.
this what I did, I played the mercy Bigby, but I agreed to what Snow told me and follow the rules, the only time I disagree with snow was with the witch and the tree. I told Colin and Toad to go to the farm. this is my reason behind it
there is much you can do for them, there is no money, and there is a chance that they would be seen by the non-fables. and leaning the exist of the fables is prouably the last thing that is need. Even if you give money to Toad I think he will get a glamour, he didn't before.
the Crooked Man will use other fables to get to Snow and Bigby, endanger them or tell them to do something. Better some fables go to the farm to keep them out of trouble and one thing less thing to worry about.
Didn't know either of those, so thanks. Does that apply to personality too, that is, are Beast and Beauty myopic because they're Fables and… more can't change or because they're actually that selfish after hundreds of years of this? (I do have to disagree on the cards, though. You can BS tarot and people will still pay you for it, so long as you sell it right.)
I didn't answer to Colin, Snow IS the boss and she just kept a speech about how she's the boss but if you read the comics, you know what a shit hole the farm is so... it is hard me to judge Colin and she would sent him there later no matter what so no high hopes for him given.
Toads other hand... i told him in Ep1, 2 and 4 to get that glamour and he just kept lying to get it next day. Im not take that shit. There's a limit, so he went to the farm.
I didn't answer to Colin, Snow IS the boss and she just kept a speech about how she's the boss but if you read the comics, you know what a s… morehit hole the farm is so... it is hard me to judge Colin and she would sent him there later no matter what so no high hopes for him given.
Toads other hand... i told him in Ep1, 2 and 4 to get that glamour and he just kept lying to get it next day. Im not take that shit. There's a limit, so he went to the farm.
Stop with the sexism saying Snow was only a side kick, what if we had another male character who hung around with Bigby? Would you call him a sexual tension? #facedesk if not enough #facepalm
Personally I sent them to the farm, hell in the comics Bigby's kids get sent to the farm because they didn't look human, trust me he didn't like that decision and they were obviously more to him than buddies. But guess what,then I played it over and let toad and Colin stay, that's the beauty of the game people, multiple saves.
Personally I sent them to the farm, hell in the comics Bigby's kids get sent to the farm because they didn't look human, trust me he didn't… more like that decision and they were obviously more to him than buddies. But guess what,then I played it over and let toad and Colin stay, that's the beauty of the game people, multiple saves.
Snow squeezing money out of Fabletown's always-tight budget to reward Bigby so he can try to fund Colin's first steps into civilization is a bit of a stretch, but I'll concede that it's conceivable, and even sort of fair. There are lots of repairs, construction and restoration efforts to finance, though, both at the Farm and in the city, and Crane's embezzling needs to be accounted for as well. I won't blame her for a second if she decides that every penny has to go to Fabletown's needs as a community, and all that is assuming that she does in fact acquire the Crooked Man's assets.
Bigby taking the tarot cards to the street to swindle money out of mundy passer-byes when he's already overworked? No. Freaking. Way. It'd make no sense and it'd be completely out of character.
As for Beauty and Beast, you have to remember that they're four to six hundred years old and that society has changed radically over the past hundred years, which they, having been first royalty in a quasi-medieval world and then peasants isolated in Fabletown from pre-industrial times, haven't really been in any position to adapt to. "Moving boxes", which Beast is ideally suited for with his enhanced strength and stamina, has been a HUGELY marketable skill for all of human history until just recently, and married women have only been expected to work for a living for the past few decades. Blaming them for not being modern professionals immediately after a cultural revolution is pretty unfair, everything considered.
It's also pretty clear that they're having something of an identity crisis as a couple, hence the attempt to recreate their old circumstances and the ridiculous painting of them "living happily ever after" in the living room. They're being a bit stupid, yes but it's just a phase. When the Crooked Man is shut down they'll have to sell the furniture to make rent again, and they'll go back to being relatively poor and feeling like it, hopefully with marginally less friction between them. Then the comics roll around and they both eventually find work within Fabletown's administration where they'll fit much better.
Didn't know either of those, so thanks. Does that apply to personality too, that is, are Beast and Beauty myopic because they're Fables and… more can't change or because they're actually that selfish after hundreds of years of this? (I do have to disagree on the cards, though. You can BS tarot and people will still pay you for it, so long as you sell it right.)
That's not sexism, it's just a critical look at her character writing. And no, a male sidekick hanging around Bigby wouldn't create sexual tension unless the two characters had a sexual chemistry.
Stop with the sexism saying Snow was only a side kick, what if we had another male character who hung around with Bigby? Would you call him a sexual tension? #facedesk if not enough #facepalm
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I was worried that Toad will spend that money to the Crooked Man.. because what if toad got his glamour from there?
Personally, I'd sooner give Colin cash for glamours than Toad. Toad is a two-faced liar. He acts nice to your face if he needs something, but has utter contempt and zero respect for you when your back is turned. He is an entitled little bitch as well. He wants to stay in the city, but I seriously doubt his son feels the same. What's better for TJ, living in what is pretty much The Shire, where he can freely interact with anyone he wants, or stay hidden in small apartment in a fucking slum because his awful father can't afford glamours again?
I'd same the same, except idk how Colin would keep the money since he doesn't wear clothes, nor has any hands.
I'll keep it for him until we can go to the 13th floor together to hook him up.
Collin is most likely nothing but a lazy mooch (he is the pig that built the straw house, after all), but at least he's straight with you and isn't responsible for a small child.
I don't understand why the U.S government doesn't take care of Fabletown.. unless Fabletown is like a hidden society with their own government.. the mayor but he's gone who knows where. While Snow White is the one who's in charge with Bigby Wolf.
Yeah, Fabletown is definitely hidden. That's the point of glamours and the Farm.
Fabletown is a little underground republic that's funded by donations, mostly from the rich Fables living in the Woodlands.
I can see why it would seem weird, supplying an in-game atmosphere with outside information, but Bigby and Snow already know what the farm is like, even if he's never been there personally. It's not "metagaming". By deciding that people sound afraid of the farm and so it must be a horrible place and then refusing to verify that even though the character you play is aware of the actual facts, you're effectively making up an entirely new canon where Fabletown has been ruthlessly sending their animal fables to some vaguely terrifying prison camp and mistreating them horribly for 400 years... just because.
It's a fair way to play the game, obviously, but it doesn't respect the existing characters and circumstances and it isn't rational. And as for Colin and Toad, if you listen to them talk about it it's pretty clear that Colin is just bored there, and Toad holds himself above other animal fables and finds the idea of being treated like them humiliating. That's why they don't want to go, respectively. It has nothing to do with the farm being an unpleasant place to live.
Not anymore, now she's taken up her responsibilities and is working and thinking for herself instead of hanging around Bigby without any sort initiative, which some players seem to resent. She's become more fleshed-out, but yes, she was definitely the sidekick in the beginning.
You do have an excellent sense of listening. I'd like to add a simpler version of what you said in the second paragraph. The Farm is for most fables as boring as a prison. Toad is living in the past like Beauty & Beast and sees himself as a lord.
I don't say that sending them is wrong or something , every choice has it's good and bad side. For me I did not send them to the farm so everyone sees that bigby has changed and that he cares about people. But like you said this could endanger Fabletown. Anyway we'll never know what was the best decision until the next episode
Under absolutely no realistic circumstances will letting Colin stay make Bigby more popular. The other fables who work and starve to maintain their glamours and get to stay in the city will resent him for giving the pig a free pass just because they're buddies. As far as they're concerned, it just makes Bigby a hypocrite who thinks he's above the rules he enforces for the rest of them.
Paying Toad back for the damages in episode 1 and making it clear that the money is for glamours or he'll be out on his ass would conceivably make Bigby look more responsible and rulebound, which is why I did that myself, but not if he simultaneously undermines that impression by playing favorites with Colin.
I think the choices about Colin and Toad are there just to give the player a sense of how their own Bigby operates on the glamour front, I don't see any particular consequences coming up in the final episode. What bothers me is that the majority of players don't seem to take it seriously enough to think any further than "Send him away? Of course not! He's my friend. Who cares what happens to the community as long as he is where he wants to be?"
It's essentially taking a very serious, delicate and complicated issue that defines Fabletown as a community and reducing it to "Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!"
It didn't "happen to him". He decided to take over the farm and lead an ugly, violent revolt that had to be stopped. The only reason I'm nice to him in the game is that like so many other characters, he's completely different than the character in the books.
-faye
No, that's his cousins. Colin has killed by his cousins for failing to do what they asked. Colin's characterization is actually consistent with the books.
Wow now take it easy , everyone has his own opinion and everyone wants to do something different. You can't say that people are stupid or they don't take something seriously just because their choice was different. IT'S A GAME!
and it doesn't matter because I'm sure if someone had to do something like this in real life his choice will be different.
"Friendship trumps everything! Because it's friendship! And friendship is life! Or something! Friendship!" Okay now that cracked me up. Anyway that was one of the best "and the longest" discussion I've had. Hope you feel the same way.
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Don't be silly, I'm not disputing any of that. I'm not arguing against players choosing what they want, I'm arguing against the faulty logic many of them seem to do it with. Glad you enjoyed the discussion.
well that's a bummer.. I believe your point since Snow is all Deputy Mayor now.. and she's all in charge now so Snow thinks Bigby is the sidekick
She becomes more demanding. Snow also wants what she already has (respect from Bigby).
I gave toad Crane's money which is technically Fabletown funds to help him replace all the damage Bigby's caused,also to give him a chance to make him responsible for a glamour.As for Colin,well... I already told him what I told to toad in episode 1 about the rules,and for now,during the time of chaos,friends is what matters,just like Nerrisa said.I just hope that they can help me in taking down the crooked man and make things to be more peaceful and stable before Bigby can enforce the rule with lesser consequence.
First off, Colin doesn't have any thumbs to work with, and second, we don't know that Bufkin doesn't, in fact, have a glamour. He spends every waking moment at the business office, and if a mundy ever made their way there they would have to be memory-wiped anyway. He must collect a decent wage for working fulltime at the office, so he should be able to afford it. Maybe he just prefers to stay in his normal skin. It does have wings.
Well, yeah, having a pig bookkeep would be stupid. But he could hear complaints or something, since no one else seems to care about that. It doesn't have to go that far, though; there are three avenues to a glamour I mentioned and all three of them would have to fall through before I went job hunting for a pig. Mostly I added that to show that there are creative solutions for Colin's problem beyond trying to hide him, and that my Bigby would search for them until something sticks.
Bufkin may have a glamour, I can't recall if he wore one in the comics.
Unless you were suggesting that everything's solved if we give the pig a pair of wings, haha.
Ah, right. Liquidate whose funds? Almost everything at the farm is presumably Fabletown property, Bigby isn't exactly flush with funds, and I don't actually see Snow stretching the budget even more than it already is to fund bonuses. She knows that Bigby doesn't need a lot, and the money are better spent elsewhere unless she gets her hands on all the Crooked Man's assets, as if we'd ever be that lucky. And even then I doubt there'd be enough of a surplus for her to throw money around that carelessly.
You'll also find that while you did not burn Greenleaf's tree, you also froze her business and now you've confiscated her only supply of cheap components. And basically enslaved her - from her point of view. She could have joined up with the other witches on the 13th floor any time she liked in the past 400 years and told us specifically that she didn't want to, good luck convincing her that she owes you a favor. And again, she and her tree are valuable resources in high demand, you'll have a harder time finding something for your friend without thumbs or any marketable skills. If Beast couldn't find a job, how much luck do you imagine Colin will have, even with Bigby's help?
Actually I was referencing the Crooked Man's assets. Magic has a good price on it, magic for magic, some artifact for a glamour, I disagree with your idea that it seems unlikely. As for Snow and Greenleaf, I think we have slightly different character interpretations there. Aunty Greenleaf prefers not to mix her magic with other witches, she's grumpy and prideful about it, but I also think she's not stupid and will see that I've got her a better deal. If Bigby saves the city and Snow doesn't acknowledge it, if she can't afford a glamour out of hand for supporting her as deputy mayor? Then Snow wouldn't have the grasp of politics needed in her position, and since I believe she does, Snow will at the least help Bigby on his way, at the most give him the glamour.
Beauty and Beast want money but aren't willing to become skilled to get it. Beauty does desk work and Beast moves boxes--these are Fables that have lived long enough that they could have picked up a trade if they'd liked, but like Greenleaf, misplaced pride is keeping them from becoming CPAs or chefs or whatever they'd be inclined to be, because in Beauty and Beast's case they're not inclined to learning new skills.
You know, Bigby could always pocket those Tarot cards and he and Colin could start a fortune telling scheme over the phone or online, no need for anyone to know Colin's a pig. I'm not serious, of course. I'm just saying that the tenacious mind will find solutions.
Greenleaf doesn't care what happens which is a sign of arrogance not pride. Greenleaf, Crooky, Dee, Dum, Bloody Mary, and Jersey wanted to make the wrong enemies. Whatever Bigby finds involving a case is his, the rest goes mostly to Fabletown no matter what. Snow already wants revenge and can implement a 99.9% tax on anyone that is inheriting money from The Crooked Man.
All of the fables only have their natural skills. Beast is skilled in lifting and fighting, he won't do anything else. Beauty is good at writing and painting and almost nothing else. Bigby is skilled at fighting, sniffing, and hearing. Bufkin is skilled at reading and flying. Greenleaf is good at carving. Snow is good at politics, talking, fighting, and surviving. None of them can get any other job. Colin can only build straw houses.
The tarot cards only work with Snow because they require magic. Snow is the daughter of a witch.
Oh, is that a comic thing, that Fables can't learn past a point? But then, how does that work with Cinderella? I'm not sure it holds.
And haha, the cards don't have to work for them to make money off of fortune telling
Besides, they worked fine for Bigby. As I remember, the first reading was Strength, Tower, 10 of Swords.
Which is roughly, the strength to carry through hardship, a sudden disaster (from which new understanding will come), and suicide.
Second was Moon, Hermit, if I remember. There is a mystery which insight will uncover, less interesting to interpret.
Cinderella was sneaky in her tale, and she almost never works at her shoe store. The thing is no one would listen if they don't work properly. The reason they worked for Bigby was because Snow White was in the room.
Didn't know either of those, so thanks. Does that apply to personality too, that is, are Beast and Beauty myopic because they're Fables and can't change or because they're actually that selfish after hundreds of years of this? (I do have to disagree on the cards, though. You can BS tarot and people will still pay you for it, so long as you sell it right.)
Well it really depends on what characters the player likes and want to keep in their graces, keep on friendly terms with them and what not. the logic is there however, Crane took most of the money, mean while some fables are aren't in glamour - there is a chance that the mundies will see them and all hell break lose, meanwhile Snow and Bigby is in trouble from the Crooked Man and if they don't play their cards way there is going to be gang war.
this what I did, I played the mercy Bigby, but I agreed to what Snow told me and follow the rules, the only time I disagree with snow was with the witch and the tree. I told Colin and Toad to go to the farm. this is my reason behind it
there is much you can do for them, there is no money, and there is a chance that they would be seen by the non-fables. and leaning the exist of the fables is prouably the last thing that is need. Even if you give money to Toad I think he will get a glamour, he didn't before.
the Crooked Man will use other fables to get to Snow and Bigby, endanger them or tell them to do something. Better some fables go to the farm to keep them out of trouble and one thing less thing to worry about.
Nope, people would want money back. Everything not involving Snow White is destined to fail.
I didn't answer to Colin, Snow IS the boss and she just kept a speech about how she's the boss but if you read the comics, you know what a shit hole the farm is so... it is hard me to judge Colin and she would sent him there later no matter what so no high hopes for him given.
Toads other hand... i told him in Ep1, 2 and 4 to get that glamour and he just kept lying to get it next day. Im not take that shit. There's a limit, so he went to the farm.
They'd still end up there, but the possibility of helping them is nice.
Stop with the sexism saying Snow was only a side kick, what if we had another male character who hung around with Bigby? Would you call him a sexual tension? #facedesk if not enough #facepalm
Personally I sent them to the farm, hell in the comics Bigby's kids get sent to the farm because they didn't look human, trust me he didn't like that decision and they were obviously more to him than buddies. But guess what,then I played it over and let toad and Colin stay, that's the beauty of the game people, multiple saves.
Snow also didn't like it, but life still surprised them in issue 50.
Snow squeezing money out of Fabletown's always-tight budget to reward Bigby so he can try to fund Colin's first steps into civilization is a bit of a stretch, but I'll concede that it's conceivable, and even sort of fair. There are lots of repairs, construction and restoration efforts to finance, though, both at the Farm and in the city, and Crane's embezzling needs to be accounted for as well. I won't blame her for a second if she decides that every penny has to go to Fabletown's needs as a community, and all that is assuming that she does in fact acquire the Crooked Man's assets.
Bigby taking the tarot cards to the street to swindle money out of mundy passer-byes when he's already overworked? No. Freaking. Way. It'd make no sense and it'd be completely out of character.
As for Beauty and Beast, you have to remember that they're four to six hundred years old and that society has changed radically over the past hundred years, which they, having been first royalty in a quasi-medieval world and then peasants isolated in Fabletown from pre-industrial times, haven't really been in any position to adapt to. "Moving boxes", which Beast is ideally suited for with his enhanced strength and stamina, has been a HUGELY marketable skill for all of human history until just recently, and married women have only been expected to work for a living for the past few decades. Blaming them for not being modern professionals immediately after a cultural revolution is pretty unfair, everything considered.
It's also pretty clear that they're having something of an identity crisis as a couple, hence the attempt to recreate their old circumstances and the ridiculous painting of them "living happily ever after" in the living room. They're being a bit stupid, yes but it's just a phase. When the Crooked Man is shut down they'll have to sell the furniture to make rent again, and they'll go back to being relatively poor and feeling like it, hopefully with marginally less friction between them. Then the comics roll around and they both eventually find work within Fabletown's administration where they'll fit much better.
That's not sexism, it's just a critical look at her character writing. And no, a male sidekick hanging around Bigby wouldn't create sexual tension unless the two characters had a sexual chemistry.
And I still vehemently hold that the farm is a much healthier place for ANYONE to grow up than New York City.
You aren't sending them to the farm, Crane! You are under arrest.
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