Interesting video about passive and active homosexual bullying.
My original post was too confrontational, so I am now just leaving the video. I apologise for offence caused.
A revised version, as it were, of the original post, including my views on the issue, can be found near the bottom of page 4. Thanks.
A note: the video is both 'real' and symbolic. The 'real' interpretation shows the types of homophobic crimes being committed across the worlds, e.g. 'gay hunting' in Russia and countries where being gay is punishable by death where friends, families and neighbors sell the location of homosexuals for the government to come and arrest them.
The symbolic representation shows the passive aspect of bullying: the effects of invalidating homosexual love and demonising LGBT people. The lyrics also come into play here: 'I was born sick, but I love him' - referencing the belief both religious and secular that homosexuality is a mental disease. The people chasing are those saying that the love is invalid, which haunts these men, akin to 'chasing' them. The padlocked box represents the love between the men: one attempts to bury it away in order to hide it as many members of society would judge him for it, and the burning of it shows the destruction of the love by said people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw
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With all due respect, even if I were to watch the video, it would not change my mind how I feel about homosexuality, and those who practice it.
As long as the Bible continues to condemn homosexuality, I will continue to hold to that viewpoint.
And that is my personal right, and under the 1st amendment of the constitution, I'm allowed to express my belief.
And when you think about it, I myself am not condemning homosexuality.
Rather, God; through his word The Bible, does.
And I agree with what he says on the subject.
So in reality, and I say this respectfully, your disagreement is not with your fellow man, but rather with almighty God himself.
To be fair the Bible was written by people and we are not allowed to see the original unedited versions of the Bible so even if we're assuming that a God does in fact exist and that the Bible was his word the version of the Bible we have is the one provided to the masses by the Catholic Church which historically has been an extremely corrupt organization and therefore we should assume that it's heavily edited in order to push their personal agenda and therefore everything written in the Bible should be taken with a grain of salt, also there's no guarantee that the people that wrote down the "word of God" were truthfull so I don't know why anyone would believe something as stupid as condemning homosexuality because a book of dubious origin that has been heavily edited throughout it's existence says so.
It might not change your view on homosexuality. But it's still a interesting video/song to watch. ^_^
Also pretty much what kaleion said. The Bible could be changed, and a lot of the time it's misinterpreted. However I think you are condemning homosexuality because you follow God's "teachings" which apparently condemns homosexuality. And some homosexual's may not be catholic/christian so they don't have a disagreement with God, but with a follower of a God who is a man, even then it is with your fellow man because it is an interaction on Earth between human beings, and not with a divine being. You could say you speak God's word, but technically I don't think you have full legibility to speak on God's behalf, unless you are a minister.Thanks for keeping your post respectful, and I wonder what Flog himself has to say.
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Uh... That is homophobic lol.
Uh no it's not...
Well I honestly believe that the Bible is true in every sense.
I believe wholeheartedly what it says.
For example, I do not believe in these gospels that are all of a sudden appearing, like the gospel of Judas, the gospel of Magdalene, the gospel of Philip, and the gospel of Peter, that allegedly contain secrets about Jesus's childhood, adult life, and ministry.
I firmly believe that there are only 4 true Gospels: the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.
And that these other alleged gospels are in fact lies.
I also do not believe in say, "the book of Enoch."
I firmly believe that the information contained in the Bible in Genesis about the pre-flood world, is accurate and completely true, and that "the book of Enoch," is a fable.
These are my personal beliefs, and I hold to them.
i suffer from a severe case of homoPHOBIA, before sleeping I always check under my bed for homos who might be plotting my murder.
I agree.
The word "Homophobia," is actually a misnomer.
The word "phobia," is Greek in origin, and it carries the connotation of being afraid of something.
Now you have stated in layman's terms, that you don't approve of homosexuality, and that you find it disgusting.
Finding something to be disgusting, is completely different than being afraid of it, as the word "disgust" carries the connotation of repulsion.
So you are completely correct in defending your stance as non-homophobic.
And I to defend your stance, and take the same stance myself.
I do not mean to be an asshole but if your personal beliefs tell you to deny something that has done you no harm such as homosexuality your personal beliefs are foolish, besides just like you are choosing to believe only certain parts other people did in the past, it is called editing and it's a really big problem that people are choosing to take such heavily edited material as truth, like I said you may trust God but people specially those in positions of power have proven to be untrustworthy, I'm sure the Bible contains truth but after all this time and considering how many hands, writers, editors and translators it has passed by knowing which parts of it are true or which had a completely different meaning and were simply mistranslated without a copy of the original manuscripts is pretty much impossible and leaving your Faith in charge of these people is foolish as the organizations a lot of them belonged to were known for censoring and were liars and generally corrupt.
But I'm just repeating myself and due to my dislike of this time of the year and the fact that I'm easily riled up I probably should stop before I call you an idiot, which this probably counts as even if that was not my intent it's probably what I'm thinking, I mean whatever it doesn't matter what I think and you should not let it bother you but I've known a lot of homophobic Christians and they were all assholes so I'm just assuming the worst of you which to be fair if you've ever told someone not to be gay or that they are going to hell for being gay or whatever other form of harrassment or bullying you probably are an asshole and whatever, I don't even care anymore.
I also would like to hear what Flog has to say, particularly to my comments.
And as far as keeping my post respectful, and I say this modestly, that that is something I always endeavor to do.
The way I see it, you can make your point, without resorting to offensive behavior.
However, just because I strive to be tactful, does not mean I will water-down the truth, of whatever matter is at hand.
Diplomacy is great.
But there are times when the situation calls for directness and boldness.
Stop acting like you're speaking for all homosexuals. Many homosexuals have thick enough skin to not be bothered by what other people say about them.
Lol Clem wtf?!
Here we go again. This topic never goes well and the mods are just going to delete it.
I do not appreciate your personal remarks.
And to be clear, I've never told a homosexual they are going to hell.
I've never done that, not even once!
Instead, I treat them with courtesy and respect, even though I do not agree with their lifestyle.
The way I feel, if someone practices homosexuality and does not change it, that's between them and God, and has nothing to do with me.
If someone asks me my viewpoint about homosexuality, I will give to them.
I will do so tactfully, but at the same time, I will not "water-down" the truth of how I feel.
People fail to realize that there are actually more than one God in the Bible not just one.
Genesis: God who likes eating flesh and meat and sacrifices
Exodus: God who has vengeance
Revelations: God who is at war and peace
Other God: God who's all loving
Spiritual Holy Ghost God
God who hates sin
etc
So different people in the Bible were visited by these many Gods in the Bible. Which God will be the one to judge? Being homosexual is the will power that one of the Gods has given man and cannot interfered with. Man will only be judged based on their intentions on why they did the things in their life. And most of the Bible was rules from back in the day. Gods didn't destroy them because they were homo. He destroyed them because they were too involved with their sexual desire ways and did not acknowledge him. That's why sodomy is one of their sins not homo lol. And the book of Revelations was taking about the end of the first Babylon empire during the rule of Hammurabi and king Nebuchadnezzar. The mark back then was money and greed and they were destroyed.
While I cannot possibly understand your viewpoint, I respect it and I am glad at least that you will not insult homosexuals like some other people do (cough Westboro cough). There's lots of people that are simply intolerant of others and will force their agenda. And I will just say in all honesty that believing in a religious text that could easily be tampered with at some point does seem a bit closed- minded (if that is the correct term), I will accept that view just as you accept homosexuals.
It went fine (mostly) when I made a thread about.
I firmly believe there is only One God, and I believe that different people in the Bible were visited by him.
And not multiple gods as you claim.
And God even states this for himself in the Bible.
For example, in Genesis, it states that God spoke to Abraham.
And then in Exodus, which took place over 400 yrs later, God appears to Moses at Mount Sinai in a burning bush and says: "I am the God of thy forefathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." - Exodus 3:6.
And when Joshua became Moses' successor, as leader of the Israelites 40 years later, God stated: "Just as I was with Moses, I shall be with you, I will not neglect, nor abandon you. Courage, and do your best, because you will establish this people in the country I swore to your forefathers to give them." - Joshua 3:6, ( Byington translation.)
So the same God spoke to all 5 men, over a course of over 400 years.
In fact, if read the book of Hebrews, which was written by the Apostle Paul, particularly chapter 11, Paul mentions God speaking to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc.
Every time, Paul states that "God spoke to them," and not that "A god spoke to them."
To me, the evidence states that One God, Almighty God, dealt with these men.
Yes, in Biblical periods just like today, other nations worshipped a variety of gods, Egypt, Babylon, Greece, and Rome, being prime examples of that.
The way I see it the universe was made with mass imperfections that can never be corrected even as time goes on. Its all a very flawed system no matter which way you look at it. There are standards that will cancel each other out and contradict one another. If you're a Gay Rights Supporter and want to "stop the ignorance" you're going against human rights as where if you want to fight against it you're bashing gay rights. Society is indifferent and a subject to the media.
Shots fired!
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Have to say I haven't seen one person who is like that on here, maybe a few religious people who maybe disprove of it but not literal attacks or abuse and nothing at all has been said unless someone else brought up the issue first. I dont believe in forcing someone to change there opinion because another is offended, that's bullying. Provided people aren't actually making statements unprovoked and for no reason or actually hurting people intentionally I think people should be allowed to hold their own opinions. I personally have no issue with whatever you want to be
Please stop acting like your some messiah or public speaker for the entire gay/minority population on the planet, because you dont speak for everyone. Many people likely dont really care what the odd person says I certainly dont, I understand maybe not everyone holds the same view as me however I'm just pointing out the same to you.
Thirdly that video is.... extreme. I've seen reports in the middle east and russia about that kind of stuff however people getting tied up, burned and attacked by gangs in western countries on a regular basis?
Maybe some people disprove but unless your shouting about it I fail to see how much could happen or how anyone could know anyway, Old betty on the corner of the road is going to turn her nose up at everything out of the ordinary. A gang of lads is likely going to take the piss about anything. The world isnt a perfect place, humans are not perfect its never going to be perfect, rather than mope around all the time its best to get on and enjoy your life forget what a few odd people are saying.
Lastly if your that keen about this why bring it up repeatedly on a primarily left wing gaming forum? Im sure there are numerous places for discussions purely about this, honestly THIS is what annoys most people not being gay but the constant bringing up of the subject when its irrelevant (you've derailed quite a few threads to bring up this topic for little to no reason)
I just want to say to people who don't approve of homosexuality, that sexuality is not a choice whether you're straight or gay or bisexual. I did not choose to be attracted to the opposite gender, I just am. I believe the same applies to gay people. We don't choose to like something or someone, we just do. Þat being said, there's many things I don't approve of. For instance, the death penalty, day-one DLC and Hulu not being available outside the U.S, but I accept them and get on with my life, and all I expect from anyone else is to accept the tĥng's they don't like. This is why I hate the Westboro Church. Their only purpose is to cause misery and they won't just get on with their lives and worry about þemselves instead of what other people are doing. I'm fine with someone not liking homosexuality, because they can't change that, as long as they don't force it on others.
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HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
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Hahaha that's what they want you to believe. Being homosexual is a choice. Example: Last month on Jerry Springer show there was this girl who had a crush on her friend who she met at the bar. Her friend was straight, but when she came on the Springer show the girl asked if she wanted to go all the way. Her friend was nervous because she never been with a girl before and a few minutes late she said yes. So the gay friend converted her friend to her lesbian lifestyle lol. There's homosexuals converting straight people on that show everyday, so it is a choice. Most grew up with the lie that it's not a choice but it is. Only hermaphrodites have that right to say it wasn't a choice they have both genitals and born that way. Society promoted the gay lifestyle and over time people adapted to it. Just like the cave people learned how to draw, make fire, and build homes. They had a choice to educated themselves and weren't born that way. They adapted to their society and followed their ways.
So, yea being homosexual is a choice because, you were not born that way. And genes have nothing to do with it. When people grew up they watched tv and seen things in society they thought was cool.
When? I had no idea?
EDIT: Uhh, no it didn't.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/84921/gay-rights/p1
I don't think he's scared of gay people, Raging.
The gay woman did not pressure the straight woman into being gay, if the way you write it is true. She became gay because she felt love for the woman. The woman could have said no, and the gay woman would not have gotten away with pressuring her ON TV. Secondly, even if more people become gay, that's not even a bad thing. If more and more people aren't having kids, or at least not having as many, then that will help many countries like China that suffer from overpopulation. The truth is, homosexuality is doing more good to our society than it is doing harm, if it is doing any harm at all. So who cares if it's a choice or not?
I completely understand the sentiment, OP, but I don't think it'll do you much of any good posting it on a gaming forum. Especially when topics like this tend to spiral into big ol' religious debates. I'm not meaning to sound condescending if it rubs off that way, I just don't think you should waste your breath, er... time on it in a place like this.
can you explain how it's doing good for society? And please understand I'm not upset at you and just having a calm mature discussion.
That guy is really funny, I say something harmless and positive like "girls like books" and he instantly labels me as a sexist asshole but he can freely say that all homosexuals have a self esteem as low as his when it's nowhere near true.
To be fair my personal remarks were more about illustrating why it would probably be best for me to stop due to my own personal prejudices, like I've mentioned while I've met some good folk who are Christian most Christian people I've met were complete assholes, though to be fair most people I've met are complete assholes regardless of religious beliefs so whatever, anyway I was more trying to explain my state of mind than insult you but I kind off assumed it would come across that way regardless so it's still my fault for saying it, to be fair though you being judgemental of homosexuals is hypocritical anyway so if we're meant to take what the Bible says literally then doesn't the Bible teach not to judge? See this is exactly the kind of thing I mean, there are a lot of contradictions in the Bible, probably a result of the editing and translations but also because it was written by different people in different times, if they were to add new chapters to the Bible it would probably have messages that go more in line with what is considered morally right in this era, for example Homosexuality wouldn't be condemned I doubt it would be encouraged but it's unlikely that it would be condemned.
Anyway keep believing that if you will but using an outdated moral system that supports outdated values such as homophobia and the subjugation of women is pretty bad for society in general and it would be nice if people could get over what an ancient book said and just decide what is right based on the current state of society, anyways and just like you don't water down the truth of how you feel probably means I shouldn't water down the truth of how I feel which like I said before it's that people that believe that whole homphobic propaganda in the Bible are idiots, it's not fundamentally different from what you are saying as just like it bothers you that I say that it bothers me and other people when you say stupid stuff like that homosexuality isn't right thing.
See we can both try to be respectful but there's no point to it because while both of us can try not to be assholes the truth is that due to my view of your beliefs and your view of my sexuality there is an inherent lack of respect of each other anyway so there's no point in me pretending I don't think you're an idiot because while you aren't being an asshole just the fact that you are saying that homosexuality is wrong is an insult and means you don't really respect me even if you pretend like you do, and to be honest I'm currently pretty tired of hypocrisy so I'm not going to try to dress my words as nice just to seem respectful when I'm really not.
In all honesty, I wouldn't say "accept" is quite the right word.
For clarification purposes, "Tolerate," is the word that more accurately describes my stance.
You probably know what I mean. Anyway, if that's how you feel deep down, then I got no problem with it.