But Catwoman is working against Batman/John. Willingly or not depending on where you left things at the end of episode 3.
So. That's going to be tough.
Yes, if John becomes Joker.
One thing I don't get though : why is Catwoman wearing what appears to be an explosive collar if John is the enemy ? Why would waller have to resort to this if she knows Bruce and Selina are close ? I would assume that if you stood by her all the way through she would willingly help you take down Harley and John, this is what she came to Gotham in the first place (ep3 rooftop scene) right ? So why "forcing" her like that ?
Because Waller's sketchy af and she uses as many people as she can to get what she wants. She also knows that Bruce and Selina are close and can be using the collar to get leverage on both of them.
Yes, if John becomes Joker.
One thing I don't get though : why is Catwoman wearing what appears to be an explosive collar if John is the e… morenemy ? Why would waller have to resort to this if she knows Bruce and Selina are close ? I would assume that if you stood by her all the way through she would willingly help you take down Harley and John, this is what she came to Gotham in the first place (ep3 rooftop scene) right ? So why "forcing" her like that ?
It's Selina you're talking about. She'll think of something. If she's on our side.
One thing I don't get though : why is Catwoman wearing what appears to be an explosive collar if John is the enemy ? Why would waller have to resort to this if she knows Bruce and Selina are close ? I would assume that if you stood by her all the way through she would willingly help you take down Harley and John, this is what she came to Gotham in the first place (ep3 rooftop scene) right ? So why "forcing" her like that ?
For the same reason Waller blackmails Bruce with his secret even if you're cooperative. Or decides to shoot John instead of handling the matter peacefully. She view people as tools, it seems.
Besides, are we sure Selina would work with the Agency, even for Bruce?..
Also, we don't know if there is a way to avoid this collar. Maybe this particular outcome taking place if we're on bad terms with Selina.
But Catwoman is working against Batman/John. Willingly or not depending on where you left things at the end of episode 3.
So. That's going to be tough.
Seems it happens when user is deleted. If I click it I went to my profile, the same thing was with another troll who was posting here recently, writing in all caps lock.
Wow. Haven't seen that happen since before the big site update.
I recall a similar response to a deleted comment very recently, and wondered what that was all about.
Wow. Haven't seen that happen since before the big site update.
I recall a similar response to a deleted comment very recently, and wondered what that was all about.
Man, these mods are fast! Good job moderators!
To be fair the episode 5 screenshots show Harley with a new hammer and Bane with a new mask and gauntlets, so it makes sense that Bruce has their old gear while the Agency equips them with new stuff. I don't see how Freeze will escape and reappear if Bruce took his goggles and cryo gauntlet.
Yeah, but that's the exact same reason I think his gauntlet doesn't mean much as a trophy. It was more of a trick on TT part. We don't know what Waller really did to him.
To be fair the episode 5 screenshots show Harley with a new hammer and Bane with a new mask and gauntlets, so it makes sense that Bruce has … moretheir old gear while the Agency equips them with new stuff. I don't see how Freeze will escape and reappear if Bruce took his goggles and cryo gauntlet.
I think they're just there prematurely for the next time we visit the Batcave in the main story. Could be we take down Bane and Harley before visiting the cave later on in Episode 5, but the objects were already placed there in the end of the last episode, so the game only has to load that previous iteration.
(I'm just trying to make sense of that addition, since new things appear and news gets updated after you finish each episode, but there's no time for Bruce to have gone back to the Batcave and added things in to explore.)
Alright, good to know. I'm asking because I'm preparing for that villain playthrough and want the betrayel to go down in the most emotional and meaningful way possible. Which seems to be letting Waller move in on Harley. Thanks for the heads up!
Funny how when Harley says Blue in her accent I immediately imagine her suddenly donning reporter clothes and running about Diamond City... … more
But that's an interesting missing sequence. I'm kind of sad we never got to visit the section of the Pact hideout where Nora is, actually...
In episode 4 when you find John surrounded by corpses and choose to believe him 100% there's some interesting determinant dialogue. If you sipped Harley's slushy in episode 1 he'll mention it and say he wishes Bruce had always been straight with him. I imagine in this line of dialogue he'd mention all the shady stuff you've optionally done to him.
I also noticed that if he accuses you of using him then he can mention if you intially refused to meet his friends in episode 1 and then was suddenly on board in episode 2.
It's amazing how many small dialogue changes there are.
If I find out the Agency just left her they're serious dicks, but I suspect they would use her as leverage. I assume it's not likely to come up though, sadly.
I like how the interrogation in Episode 3 with John immediately wraps up if you agree straight off to blame Selina and Harley commends his quick interrogation skills.
lol. Good she doesn't, that's the reason I stopped taking Piper with me, I just couldn't stand this nickname.
I guess Nora will appear in the story at some point. Waller is perfectly aware about her, she might use her as a leverage, like Catwoman. If Freeze owes Bruce a favor, it will make things more complicated.
Funny how when Harley says Blue in her accent I immediately imagine her suddenly donning reporter clothes and running about Diamond City... … more
But that's an interesting missing sequence. I'm kind of sad we never got to visit the section of the Pact hideout where Nora is, actually...
In episode 2 when you, John and Harley are in an elevator and John starts talking about Wayne Enterprises he says that he "can feel the TOXIC enegry in these walls".
In episode 5 trailer we see how John uses a chemical toxin at Wayne Enterprises, could be a foreshadowing.
lol. Good she doesn't, that's the reason I stopped taking Piper with me, I just couldn't stand this nickname.
I guess Nora will appear in t… morehe story at some point. Waller is perfectly aware about her, she might use her as a leverage, like Catwoman. If Freeze owes Bruce a favor, it will make things more complicated.
You know Agent Harrison, from the beginning of the Vigilante path? He's actually shown up before. He appears in episode 2. He's at the beginning on the boat, and the guy guarding Riddler's body at the end. He's the one hiding in the truck that Freeze tries to kill.
Also, that one goon in episode 2 that Bane wants you to beat up? He's the same dude that was guarding the mechanic at the beginning of episode 2. He wears the same clothes, and Bane mentions how he let a prisoner get away.
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But there's also the screenshot of Selina and Bruce working together in Jokers hideout
That's from villain path, he was talking about the vigilante one.
Yes, if John becomes Joker.
One thing I don't get though : why is Catwoman wearing what appears to be an explosive collar if John is the enemy ? Why would waller have to resort to this if she knows Bruce and Selina are close ? I would assume that if you stood by her all the way through she would willingly help you take down Harley and John, this is what she came to Gotham in the first place (ep3 rooftop scene) right ? So why "forcing" her like that ?
Because Waller's sketchy af and she uses as many people as she can to get what she wants. She also knows that Bruce and Selina are close and can be using the collar to get leverage on both of them.
It's Selina you're talking about. She'll think of something. If she's on our side.
For the same reason Waller blackmails Bruce with his secret even if you're cooperative. Or decides to shoot John instead of handling the matter peacefully. She view people as tools, it seems.
Besides, are we sure Selina would work with the Agency, even for Bruce?..
Also, we don't know if there is a way to avoid this collar. Maybe this particular outcome taking place if we're on bad terms with Selina.
Harley's new hammer looks like it's outfitted with the same electrifying attachments the Agency uses for their guns. Ooooh, now it's a sparky hammer..
what the hell is wrong with you?
wut?
Someone posted porn-spam few minutes ago.
Glad I wasn't here then. I thought he was referring to me because it says "unknown posted" and when I clicked on unknown it went to my profile.
Seems it happens when user is deleted. If I click it I went to my profile, the same thing was with another troll who was posting here recently, writing in all caps lock.
Wow. Haven't seen that happen since before the big site update.
I recall a similar response to a deleted comment very recently, and wondered what that was all about.
Man, these mods are fast! Good job moderators!
Keeping our forums clean one day at a time(is that how it goes?)
Mr. Freeze could help too if we lowered the temperature
I really hope he reappears and can help us but I noticed that his mask and gauntlet are now on the Batcave's trophy wall
Harley's hammer and Bane's stuff too, but it doesn't mean anything anymore. Bruce thinks they'll be behind prison bars, but Waller have other plans.
To be fair the episode 5 screenshots show Harley with a new hammer and Bane with a new mask and gauntlets, so it makes sense that Bruce has their old gear while the Agency equips them with new stuff. I don't see how Freeze will escape and reappear if Bruce took his goggles and cryo gauntlet.
Yeah, but that's the exact same reason I think his gauntlet doesn't mean much as a trophy. It was more of a trick on TT part. We don't know what Waller really did to him.
I think they're just there prematurely for the next time we visit the Batcave in the main story. Could be we take down Bane and Harley before visiting the cave later on in Episode 5, but the objects were already placed there in the end of the last episode, so the game only has to load that previous iteration.
(I'm just trying to make sense of that addition, since new things appear and news gets updated after you finish each episode, but there's no time for Bruce to have gone back to the Batcave and added things in to explore.)
Does anyone know what happens if you stop John from stabbing Waller? Does he hold it against you or does it still result in the Vigilante ending?
He still stabbs her, then throws her at the Agent who has him at gunpoint. Nothing changes there, he is still a Vigilante
Alright, good to know. I'm asking because I'm preparing for that villain playthrough and want the betrayel to go down in the most emotional and meaningful way possible. Which seems to be letting Waller move in on Harley. Thanks for the heads up!
Stumbled onto this:
http://tehnazzy.tumblr.com/post/172130838637/incoming-phd-reminder#notes
Pretty great. Any Bane content is good in my book. Hoping he has a big presence in episode 5.
Funny how when Harley says Blue in her accent I immediately imagine her suddenly donning reporter clothes and running about Diamond City...
But that's an interesting missing sequence. I'm kind of sad we never got to visit the section of the Pact hideout where Nora is, actually...
Unless the Agency grabbed her I imagine she's still in the Subway. It's pretty unclear what's gonna happen to her.
In episode 4 when you find John surrounded by corpses and choose to believe him 100% there's some interesting determinant dialogue. If you sipped Harley's slushy in episode 1 he'll mention it and say he wishes Bruce had always been straight with him. I imagine in this line of dialogue he'd mention all the shady stuff you've optionally done to him.
I also noticed that if he accuses you of using him then he can mention if you intially refused to meet his friends in episode 1 and then was suddenly on board in episode 2.
It's amazing how many small dialogue changes there are.
If I find out the Agency just left her they're serious dicks, but I suspect they would use her as leverage. I assume it's not likely to come up though, sadly.
I like how the interrogation in Episode 3 with John immediately wraps up if you agree straight off to blame Selina and Harley commends his quick interrogation skills.
lol. Good she doesn't, that's the reason I stopped taking Piper with me, I just couldn't stand this nickname.
I guess Nora will appear in the story at some point. Waller is perfectly aware about her, she might use her as a leverage, like Catwoman. If Freeze owes Bruce a favor, it will make things more complicated.
In episode 2 when you, John and Harley are in an elevator and John starts talking about Wayne Enterprises he says that he "can feel the TOXIC enegry in these walls".
In episode 5 trailer we see how John uses a chemical toxin at Wayne Enterprises, could be a foreshadowing.
Would be interesting if like Selina you could convince Victor to switch sides. Batman, Vigilante Joker and Freeze is a badass team.
Don't forget about our boi Bane and Mustacheman. Waller won't stand a chance.
BUT WHAT ABOUT FRANK
Frank is in vigilante team by default. As a leader. Also, he's the one who made gadgets for Joker.
Episode 205 Spoilers:
Iman Avesta speaks Farsi in episode 5.
Episode 205 Spoilers:
In the vigilante path, John fully becoming the Clown Prince of Crime at Ace Chemicals feels like a reference to The Killing Joke.
I would suggest putting this in spoiler tags.
Episode 205 Spoilers:
You know Agent Harrison, from the beginning of the Vigilante path? He's actually shown up before. He appears in episode 2. He's at the beginning on the boat, and the guy guarding Riddler's body at the end. He's the one hiding in the truck that Freeze tries to kill.
Also, that one goon in episode 2 that Bane wants you to beat up? He's the same dude that was guarding the mechanic at the beginning of episode 2. He wears the same clothes, and Bane mentions how he let a prisoner get away.
Episode 205 Spoilers:
Agent Harrison also helps move the rubble off of Batman if you call Waller instead of Gordon for help.
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