Boobs: an artistic discussion

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  • edited April 2010
    Fealiks wrote: »
    Nah, looks awesome. In a completely racist kind of way.

    well as long as its still racist I guess its ok
  • edited April 2010
    Believe it or not, I used to be extremely insecure about my body too. My parents didn't help (Jesus, I feel like I'm complaining about my parents in every thread). Once they told me "You know, if you eat more, you're going to die".
    I should specify that I'm not even medically overweight, although I guess I'm on the upper side of healthy weight.

    Anyways, I feel much better now that I accept my body type is my body type. And as long as you're healthy that's what's most important.

    I get very pissed with the obsession of losing weight though. When I tried WiFit a few years ago, it turned out something like this.
    Me on the board > "your BMI is 24.something. You're a healthy weight but you might want to reduce it to 22, which is the healthiest weight. So exercice every day".
    Okay, I guess that sounds alright.
    Me adding someone at the maximum possible height and only putting some of my weight on the board > "Your BMI is 15 (or something. Seriously). Congratulations, you don't need to lose weight! But if you want to anyways, go ahead and set a goal and exercise every day!"

    So that guy (who doesn't exist, I was just fooling around) is at a unhealthy, dangerous for his life weight, and you tell him "you don't have to lose weight but if you want go ahead"?! Why don't you tell him "we need to make you gain weight so you're at least healthy at 18-19, and if possible the healthiest at 22"?
    That annoyed me so much.
    I hope they fixed that with Wii Fit Plus.

    Kg for kg, being underweight is more dangerous than being overweight. I wish more people realised that.
    Being underweight can be dangerous in itself because if you're too skinny you might die from malnutrition. (While someone with the same number of kgs "extra" rather than "missing" might be overweight but might not even be obese, and certainly nowhere near death).
    Otherwise, weight is an indicator. If you eat little but you eat crap, you'll be thin, but with risks of developing diabetes, high cholesterol, heart disease and everything. If you eat a LOT but only healthy food, you might be overweight but you'll be healthier. The risks aren't linked with being heavy, they're linked to bad diet and lack of exercise, both of which can make you gain weight. As a result, being overweight can be an indicator that you're not healthy. That's all.

    Helping people who became obese due to bad diet and lack of exercise (due to busy lifestyles usually) is great. But when a) you make people feel bad when they're actually healthy and b) you don't help people who need to gain weight, and even, you encourage them or congratulate them, I feel there is a big problem there.

    Also, picture of me as an insecure teenager. I was with my best friend so I didn't have the collar over my face like I usually did. Note how I don't look like I'll die if I keep eating >.>

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  • edited April 2010
    Wii fit called me a fatty today... but it said my wii age was 2 years younger than my real age.
  • edited April 2010
    My age is 5 years less than my real age! Although last week it was only one or two years less. I guess I got younger.

    My main problem with Wii Fit (and that's on topic) is that... Well, you're going to laugh, but it doesn't seem to account for breasts. It always says my center of gravity isn't in the center (front-back, not left-right) but if I try to put it where they call it "center", I fall!
    They should have an option asking for your cup size or something. Obviously my center of gravity isn't going to be the same as it would be if I had no breasts!
  • edited April 2010
    Actually the center of gravity is based on how you stand on your feet rather than your actual body.
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    Actually the center of gravity is based on how you stand on your feet rather than your actual body.

    But how you stand on your feet depends on your actual body, doesn't it? You can't stand the same way if you're wearing a backpack or not, that would unbalance you.
  • edited April 2010
    No I mean like, you can adjust how much weight you can put into certain points of your feet without changing your body. Try standing concentrating on the tips of your feet holding the most weight, then the heels.
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    No I mean like, you can adjust how much weight you can put into certain points of your feet without changing your body. Try standing concentrating on the tips of your feet holding the most weight, then the heels.

    I guess. I'll try making sure my body isn't moving at all and see how that works, but it's not like I was bending over or anything before.
  • edited April 2010
    I haven't played Wii Fit in like a year. I've never really had enough of an open space for it anywhere in the house. I guess that's what I get for getting the queen size bed in my room, but it's totally worth it.
  • edited April 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    I guess. I'll try making sure my body isn't moving at all and see how that works, but it's not like I was bending over or anything before.

    Well, it isn't that. It measures where you're putting pressure. Just try adjusting the pressure in your feet to help with posture.
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    Well, it isn't that. It measures where you're putting pressure. Just try adjusting the pressure in your feet to help with posture.

    I know. That's what I've been doing. I'm saying, I'll make sure my body's staying still while I do that, since you seemed to say I'm only falling because I'm also moving my body. Unless I misunderstood of course.
  • edited April 2010
    Wii Fit always calls me middle-aged because I have horrible balance.
  • edited April 2010
    My BMI is 17, and according to the healthcenter site I looked it up on that's too little and I need to gain weight...
    (No WiiFit details, I don't have it, nor anyone I know...)

    Also, avistew, definitely not looking too big there. Although the major oversized sweater sits too loosely for a definite answer...
  • edited April 2010
    Also, avistew, definitely not looking too big there. Although the major oversized sweater sits too loosely for a definite answer...

    Yeah, I only wore huge clothes at the time. This I think was a XL or something. Still, I think from my face only you can tell that I wasn't at a "you're close to death" stage. Honestly, I'm not even sure I was overweight at all at the time.
    I think it's just ridiculous, you know? I know it annoys a lot of very overweight people when people who aren't overweight complain that they're too fat and stuff, but I can tell you, at the time I was really complexed by it and my parents had me tested every few months for diabetes and stuff.
    Took me a while to realise they were the ones with a problem.

    I'm pretty sure I'm heavier now than I was then, but I'm not complexed at all anymore. Sure I'm not thin, you can see that on the pictures, but I probably couldn't be thin and healthy at the same time, that's not my body type. I'm an hour-glass type, you know?

    I think a lot of the time the problem comes from people trying to fit the "average" or "typical" or "ideal" weight. But we all have a different healthy weight, and we can reach it by eating properly and being active the right amount. And maybe it will be under or over the typical average, but so what? It should be obvious to everyone that we're not all built exactly the same. there are people who keep complaining about "these last ten pounds" they never seem to be able to lose. Well maybe you're just not meant to lose them, and your body knows that.
  • edited April 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    Me adding someone at the maximum possible height and only putting some of my weight on the board > "Your BMI is 15 (or something. Seriously). Congratulations, you don't need to lose weight! But if you want to anyways, go ahead and set a goal and exercise every day!"

    Wow. That's pretty disgraceful on the part of Nintendo. Since, like you said, being underweight is actually more dangerous, you would have thought they'd give it more attention. Instead, they gave more attention to the problem that's more prevalent.
    Avistew wrote: »
    Yeah, I only wore huge clothes at the time. This I think was a XL or something. Still, I think from my face only you can tell that I wasn't at a "you're close to death" stage. Honestly, I'm not even sure I was overweight at all at the time.

    Looking at that picture, I'd say you definitely weren't. I can only be 90% sure because of your baggy clothes, but to me you don't even look slightly overweight.

    Personally, I used to be a little overweight when I was about 10 or 11 (which manifested itself in my face a lot) and I got used to the fact that I was pretty fat. This didn't bother me or anything, it was just who I was. I'm 17 now, and I still think of myself as being fat, even though if I look at myself properly I'm not. I think your self-image can definitely vary a lot from what other people see without you even realising it. Also, this sounds weird and stupid, but I seriously think that it can depend on how close you stand to the mirror. The other day I caught myself in a full-length mirror from across the room and I thought I looked loads thinner than usual, but when I got closer to the mirror I saw myself as being fatter. Obviously I knew that the difference was just in my head, but it was interesting.
  • edited April 2010
    Fealiks wrote: »
    Looking at that picture, I'd say you definitely weren't. I can only be 90% sure because of your baggy clothes, but to me you don't even look slightly overweight.
    +1
    Personally, I used to be a little overweight when I was about 10 or 11 (which manifested itself in my face a lot) and I got used to the fact that I was pretty fat.
    Well, same here (1.20m, 70kg)... although I lost that as I got older and larger (to 1.88m, 60kg now).
    Although I suppose the only reason I even became 70kg back then was heavy anti-depressants, because before that I was like 30kg or something, underweight once again.
  • edited April 2010
    I would just like to interject at this point to say that I'm still waiting for that pic of Winslow as a woman that was mentioned several pages ago...
  • edited April 2010
    Jen Kollic wrote: »
    I would just like to interject at this point to say that I'm still waiting for that pic of Winslow as a woman that was mentioned several pages ago...

    Aren't we all?
  • edited April 2010
    I'm still waiting for pictures of Galbrush and Womanslow's budding romance and hour-long make-out sessions.
  • edited April 2010
    I'm still waiting for videos of Galbrush and Womanslow's budding romance and hour-long make-out sessions.

    fixed
  • edited April 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    Aren't we all?
    No

    *hides*
  • edited April 2010
    Personally, I thought Morgan was hot. For me, someone having to complain about her being dispropotionate (or whatever else) doesn't compute.
  • edited April 2010
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    Personally, I thought Morgan was hot. For me, someone having to complain about her being dispropotionate (or whatever else) doesn't compute.

    If you want disproportionate hips on a video game character, look no further than Jacob from Mass Effect 2. God, his hips are small.
  • edited April 2010
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    Personally, I thought Morgan was hot. For me, someone having to complain about her being dispropotionate (or whatever else) doesn't compute.

    It isn't so much being out of proportion rather than doing exaggerated proportions wrong.
  • edited April 2010
    How is having inaccurate exaggerated proportions dissimilar to being disproportionate?


    Anyway, I still think she looks hot.
  • edited April 2010
    Okay, first of all, what exactly are you referring to? Second, there's a right way to exaggerate features, and there's a wrong way to do it.

    On a side note, I thought I should post a very informative tutorial by Chris Sanders (guy who did lilo and stich and how to train your dragon). It's not about how to draw boobs, though it does involve it. Tits ahoy warning.
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    Okay, first of all, what exactly are you referring to. Second, there's a right way to exaggerate features, and there's a wrong way to do it.

    On a side note, I thought I should post a very informative tutorial by Chris Sanders (guy who did lilo and stich and how to train your dragon). It's not about how to draw boobs, though it does involve it. Tits ahoy warning.

    Maturecontentwut

    I hate deviant art -_-
  • edited April 2010
    Finally we're back on track!
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    Okay, first of all, what exactly are you referring to? Second, there's a right way to exaggerate features, and there's a wrong way to do it.

    On a side note, I thought I should post a very informative tutorial by Chris Sanders (guy who did lilo and stich and how to train your dragon). It's not about how to draw boobs, though it does involve it. Tits ahoy warning.

    Dude is insanely incredible! Looks like I have a new artist to add to my list of favorites. I never knew that was one guy's style; I love it!

    fn4guv.jpg

    I love his creature designs too, but his character designs are top notch^ His style ^ inspires me to get my style more clean cut.
  • edited April 2010
    Joop wrote: »
    ...it is...
    Who are you anyway? You're not some "government infiltrator" are you? ;)

    I'm Batman! :D
  • edited April 2010
    Yeah, Chris Sanders is really good. I didn't know he did so many girls though.
    I love it! ^^
  • edited April 2010
    Joop wrote: »
    Yeah, Chris Sanders is really good. I didn't know he did so many girls though.
    I love it! ^^

    He did what!!? :eek:
  • edited April 2010
    Actually one of the things I like about Sander's stuff is that he has a general idea on how to draw disproportionately large boobs without making them look stupid.

    ie: he knows how to draw cartoon pin up right.
  • edited April 2010
    that and thick curvy thighs...
  • edited April 2010
    I guess the important thing to still know is that if you wanna take things seriously and improve your art, it still goes back to draw life figures and learning anatomy. Without that base knowledge, it becomes much harder to improve.
  • edited April 2010
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    ie: he knows how to draw cartoon pin up right.

    I originally read "dragon pin-up"...

    The only thing that unsettles me with his art is that I always feel like I'm looking at a 4 year old with an adult figure. Because his females are short with childish faces and all.
    But he can draw for sure.
  • edited April 2010
    I see what you mean.... I guess... But at least he contributed to one of the only female disney characters that actually has curves... the older sister from Lilo and Stitch.

    Ever notice how Disney characters are almost always super skinny or super fat?
  • edited April 2010
    Hey guys I'm gonna put this here ok

    picasso-avignon.jpg

    bye
  • edited April 2010
    picasso's a pretty cool dude. I saw some of his stuff at a local art gallery. Neat experience.
  • edited April 2010
    As far as cubism goes, I prefer the analytic type:

    Picasso%20Le%20joueur%20de%20guitare%20%20(CUBISME%20ANALYTIQUE).jpg
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