So just because I think that it'd be creepy to kiss a girl who turns out really to be a guy, or that "I am male" is/should be an obvious and in no way ambiguous statement, it doesn't make me irrationally fearful or woefully misunderstood about the whole subject.
Yeah. You really don't get it.
Think of it this way: What if one day your body changed to female. Everybody treats you female, but you know that you're actually a man. When you try to explain this to people, they just go: "You're a fucking woman. Shut the fuck up." Occasionally getting beat up. In some cases, even killed.
Post everything transfolk look and act the way they say they are. (even in genitalia, if it matters that much to you guys.) Even before op or hormones they generally look and act the same way as well.
When I see these 3 photos, I think woman. These are women. All of them. Two were born with wrong parts, no big deal. They're still women.
The way you state your concerns come off as an insecurity of possibly being viewed as gay, honestly. But you know what, whatever. In the end it doesn't matter what you guys think. They are who they are.
maybe it's because I know several transfolk, but it really isn't rocket science here. does a trans individual hurt themselves or others by the fact that they are the way they are? no. are they happier they way they've become who they believe to be? 9 times out of 10, yes. i knew a transwoman whom i didn't know was a transwoman until transition, and prior to transition, she was a total douchebag and bitchy all the time. as soon as she started transitioning, she was a much happier and overall nicer individual.
Think of it this way: What if one day your body changed to female. Everybody treats you female, but you know that you're actually a man. When you try to explain this to people, they just go: "You're a fucking woman. Shut the fuck up." Occasionally getting beat up. In some cases, even killed.
Post everything transfolk look and act the way they say they are. (even in genitalia, if it matters that much to you guys.) Even before op or hormones they generally look and act the same way as well.
When I see these 3 photos, I think woman. These are women. All of them. Two were born with wrong parts, no big deal. They're still women.
The way you state your concerns come off as an insecurity of possibly being viewed as gay, honestly. But you know what, whatever. In the end it doesn't matter what you guys think. They are who they are.
The childhood experiences were inherently different, the testosterone/estrogen influence on the brain was inherently different, the internal organs are inherently different, the pubescent phase was inherently different, and regardless of how much they think they perceive the world as women they don't unless you physically go in rearrange their brain structure and that requires a whole host of chemical alignments going back to brain development.
When people use the term third gender or other gender it is because of the fact that it is frankly gross overstatement to state they are women on the premise that they try to act and appear as women. Everything previously stated creates a third identity and that's more of a proper category than to simply say they are women.
People who differ from the "norm" in any way probably have a hard enough time just dealing with the knowledge that they're different, even before you add the behaviour of a judgemental society on top of that. So even if something about a person seems strange to me, I still try to treat that person with the same decency, respect and consideration I'd show any other member of the population.
Well, yeah, that's where we get the concept of "the closet" and why so many people remain in it, sometimes indefinitely. And it does not just apply to being gay, it can apply to being different in any way. Humans are cruel, wired to ostracize anybody who doesn't fit their norms, and while that makes those of us who are able to get past this wiring awesome people, for the most part it downright sucks.
Think of it this way: What if one day your body changed to female. Everybody treats you female, but you know that you're actually a man. When you try to explain this to people, they just go: "You're a fucking woman. Shut the fuck up." Occasionally getting beat up. In some cases, even killed.
The way you state your concerns come off as an insecurity of possibly being viewed as gay, honestly. But you know what, whatever. In the end it doesn't matter what you guys think. They are who they are.
Now, wait one minute. I never said anything about abusing people just because they're different. -.- Thanks alot.
Besides, everyone knows that people who abuse others do so to feel in control. Like rape. Rape isn't about sex either, it's about control. Beating people up who are gay or different in whatever other way is just an excuse for someone to beat people up because they can. It's a totally different issue from whether or not gender is synonymous with sex.
Just because some people are violent and stupid, that doesn't give you the right to lump me in with them when I say a guy is a guy or that my kissing a guy and not knowing it under afterward would totally freak me out.
You're saying that just because I disagree with you, that means that I'm bigoted and ignorant...
TRUE STORY TIME! My ex-girlfriend of several years ago is now a man. Does this mean he's now technically an ex-boyfriend?
You'd need to ask him! That reminds me of an artist who I first knew as male and who has been female for a few years now. I asked her, when referring to her in the past, which she preferred, and she said she'd prefer "she" for all times but she could understand if people preferred to use "he" when talking about her prior to her switch.
Speaking of which, her husband is gay, and they had been together for years prior to that. It must be very weird to have someone you're in love with tell you they want to switch their sex to the one you're not attracted to. But it's cool that their couple survived that. (He's still only attracted to males apart from her, as far as I know).
I'm only mentioning that because I'm thinking, if you were still with your ex, what of your sexual identity? (And I mean that is in sexual orientation). It's one thing meeting someone after they've transitioned (and I don't mean by being post op, but by being out), but if that happens while you're together and you're not bi, that must be weird.
I'm only mentioning that because I'm thinking, if you were still with your ex, what of your sexual identity? (And I mean that is in sexual orientation). It's one thing meeting someone after they've transitioned (and I don't mean by being post op, but by being out), but if that happens while you're together and you're not bi, that must be weird.
I don't know what would have happened in that scenario, when we were together she never mentioned anything about her gender identity, as far as I knew at the time she considered herself female. And the breakup was nothing to do with gender issues, it was all personal issues coupled with monetary issues and raging paranoia. Good times.
She/he didn't make the switch until quite a few years afterwards, and when I first heard about it through the grapevine (we didn't keep in touch) my initial thought was that it was just another of her phases. Just goes to show what I know.
I consider a transsexual a woman personally. However, does it make me a bigot if I don't want to have a sexual relationship with a girl if she has a doodle? Seriously. I just...don't. I wouldn't have a sexual relationship with a man who had a vagina either. Actually...I don't know what to think about it all.
I consider a transsexual a woman personally. However, does it make me a bigot if I don't want to have a sexual relationship with a girl if she has a doodle? Seriously. I just...don't. I wouldn't have a sexual relationship with a man who had a vagina either. Actually...I don't know what to think about it all.
I don't think it makes you a bigot. We all have things we're attracted to or not, things we are comfortable with or not. What matters is being honest about it, and respectful. And really, if you don't feel like you could, it's better being honest for both of you, because they'll want someone who gets it or at least is fine with it.
Sure, it's unfair, because it's probably much harder for them to meet someone, but I think that's just the way it is. A gay guy knows that most guys will be interested in women and not in him, for instance, but that doesn't mean he'll never meet anyone just because his dating pool is smaller.
Gender is a socially constructed concept. Different cultures at different times have have defined gender in different ways, arbitrarily deciding which sets of characteristics, personality traits, and behavioral patterns define masculinity and which femininity. No person who has ever lived has ever completely fit the mold of any one culture's gender ideals, because the dichotomy doesn't actually exist. People are just people, and it's not actually possible to say all men are this way and all women are this way. The reason people identify as men or as women is because that's how they feel they best fit into society's artificial models.
Now, sex, or the idea that there are essentially two different types of reproductive anatomy, is a real biological fact. But even that's not a black-and-white sort of dichotomy; it's more of a continuum. There are lots of intersex people in the world, people born with various combinations of male and female anatomy.
In the first place you differ by your biological construction set, and humans related that's rather easy, black and white. Men are in charge and decide if it will be a boy or a girl by their chromosomes Y or X. Due to this information set and fission a body will be built. If there is no weird mutation involved a boy/man normally ends up with attributes like a penis and a girl/woman with a vagina and so on.
Now on top of this bio facts, psychological almost everything is possible and a biological man might have psychological attributes which you normally would more associate with a woman and/or the other way around, which then all results into a number of maybe confusing variations.
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Yeah. You really don't get it.
Think of it this way: What if one day your body changed to female. Everybody treats you female, but you know that you're actually a man. When you try to explain this to people, they just go: "You're a fucking woman. Shut the fuck up." Occasionally getting beat up. In some cases, even killed.
Post everything transfolk look and act the way they say they are. (even in genitalia, if it matters that much to you guys.) Even before op or hormones they generally look and act the same way as well.
When I see these 3 photos, I think woman. These are women. All of them. Two were born with wrong parts, no big deal. They're still women.
The way you state your concerns come off as an insecurity of possibly being viewed as gay, honestly. But you know what, whatever. In the end it doesn't matter what you guys think. They are who they are.
Comments like this are why I love you Coolsome. In the strictly platonic sense of course.
TRUE STORY TIME! My ex-girlfriend of several years ago is now a man. Does this mean he's now technically an ex-boyfriend?
Statistical evidence to back this claim please.
The childhood experiences were inherently different, the testosterone/estrogen influence on the brain was inherently different, the internal organs are inherently different, the pubescent phase was inherently different, and regardless of how much they think they perceive the world as women they don't unless you physically go in rearrange their brain structure and that requires a whole host of chemical alignments going back to brain development.
When people use the term third gender or other gender it is because of the fact that it is frankly gross overstatement to state they are women on the premise that they try to act and appear as women. Everything previously stated creates a third identity and that's more of a proper category than to simply say they are women.
Now, wait one minute. I never said anything about abusing people just because they're different. -.- Thanks alot.
Besides, everyone knows that people who abuse others do so to feel in control. Like rape. Rape isn't about sex either, it's about control. Beating people up who are gay or different in whatever other way is just an excuse for someone to beat people up because they can. It's a totally different issue from whether or not gender is synonymous with sex.
Just because some people are violent and stupid, that doesn't give you the right to lump me in with them when I say a guy is a guy or that my kissing a guy and not knowing it under afterward would totally freak me out.
You're saying that just because I disagree with you, that means that I'm bigoted and ignorant...
You'd need to ask him! That reminds me of an artist who I first knew as male and who has been female for a few years now. I asked her, when referring to her in the past, which she preferred, and she said she'd prefer "she" for all times but she could understand if people preferred to use "he" when talking about her prior to her switch.
Speaking of which, her husband is gay, and they had been together for years prior to that. It must be very weird to have someone you're in love with tell you they want to switch their sex to the one you're not attracted to. But it's cool that their couple survived that. (He's still only attracted to males apart from her, as far as I know).
I'm only mentioning that because I'm thinking, if you were still with your ex, what of your sexual identity? (And I mean that is in sexual orientation). It's one thing meeting someone after they've transitioned (and I don't mean by being post op, but by being out), but if that happens while you're together and you're not bi, that must be weird.
I don't know what would have happened in that scenario, when we were together she never mentioned anything about her gender identity, as far as I knew at the time she considered herself female. And the breakup was nothing to do with gender issues, it was all personal issues coupled with monetary issues and raging paranoia. Good times.
She/he didn't make the switch until quite a few years afterwards, and when I first heard about it through the grapevine (we didn't keep in touch) my initial thought was that it was just another of her phases. Just goes to show what I know.
He's an elusive dude.
I don't think it makes you a bigot. We all have things we're attracted to or not, things we are comfortable with or not. What matters is being honest about it, and respectful. And really, if you don't feel like you could, it's better being honest for both of you, because they'll want someone who gets it or at least is fine with it.
Sure, it's unfair, because it's probably much harder for them to meet someone, but I think that's just the way it is. A gay guy knows that most guys will be interested in women and not in him, for instance, but that doesn't mean he'll never meet anyone just because his dating pool is smaller.
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Now, sex, or the idea that there are essentially two different types of reproductive anatomy, is a real biological fact. But even that's not a black-and-white sort of dichotomy; it's more of a continuum. There are lots of intersex people in the world, people born with various combinations of male and female anatomy.
It can never be right or wrong.
Its just cheese!
Now on top of this bio facts, psychological almost everything is possible and a biological man might have psychological attributes which you normally would more associate with a woman and/or the other way around, which then all results into a number of maybe confusing variations.