Something else that's odd. Hershel tells Shawn to go inside and check on his sister. Hershel has seven kids, three sons and four daughters. The youngest of which are twins. So wouldn't it make sense for him to have said check on your sisters?
Obviously they couldn't have portrayed the whole family but where were Arnold and Billy? They're definitely old enough to be helping around the farm. Just seems like it would have been a good idea to include some dialog explaining where they were.
I was thinking about this before the game was even released. Showing us ONLY Shawn was a tad bit disappointing, while giving us the whole family would have been MUCH too distracting.
An explanation for the mentioning of "sister" instead of "sisters" could be that there's a particular sister which might need more attention than others at the time - maybe she's ill or something.
BTW, the Shawn's death canon violation... THAT's the biggie I was looking for.
It could be explained that Shawn volunteered to go into town to get some medicine for one of his sisters that got sick. But that's never stated in the game so it's conjecture. Would have been better dialog than that guff about their neighbor Breckon's mare.
Still no explanation for the absence of Arnold and Billy.
I can second this. I would have been 8 in first grade if I had a January-May birthday.
My daughters are January kids, oldest in their class, and are only 6/7 in 1st grade.
There may be some changes in laxity for the rules, but something tells me it was just an oversight on the writers part. As with most of these kinds of things, I think it comes down to that.
And to think the headache it took to get this stupid account working to just post this. I'm an idiot.
Easy way to explain this. Maybe hershel felt a pulse after Kenny's group left and decided to try and bandage and after him turning. Into the barn he went.
at the end at the motor in, if you just stay and lesson to the radio it says that Atlanta have been temporally downgraded to a 8 but as soon as you talk to Glen its a catastrophe 9.
I thought it was a bit odd to see Hershel to shoot the zombies expecially knowing his stance on that in the comics. Either he's really hypocritical or it's a plot hole.
I thought it was a bit odd to see Hershel to shoot the zombies expecially knowing his stance on that in the comics. Either he's really hypocritical or it's a plot hole.
Good point ... he seems to be much more "reasonable" in the game as in the show/comic. He does shoot them to protect his own ... I wonder, why he would change that ...
unless hes just thinking hes shooting tresspassers/agressors, not 100% on the US's stance of shooting tresspassers but its happened a few times over this side of the pond were a farmer has shot people without even considering they were zombies...
unless hes just thinking hes shooting tresspassers/agressors, not 100% on the US's stance of shooting tresspassers but its happened a few times over this side of the pond were a farmer has shot people without even considering they were zombies...
So he is shooting living people (trespassers), but he then gathers zombies, instead of shooting them??? hmmmm ... your logic is flawed :P
So he is shooting living people (trespassers), but he then gathers zombies, instead of shooting them??? hmmmm ... your logic is flawed :P
he is shooting two people who has just attacked his son while he is still very unaware about the full extent of the zombie invasion! but i do quite agree, my logic does seem a little... sketchy at best lol
he is shooting two people who has just attacked his son while he is still very unaware about the full extent of the zombie invasion! but i do quite agree, my logic does seem a little... sketchy at best lol
Ah I see ... you mean that he only shoots them, because they're an immediate threat and he doesn't really understand yet that they're only "sick" people, who might be cured of their hunger for flesh and deadness.
Good point ... he seems to be much more "reasonable" in the game as in the show/comic. He does shoot them to protect his own ... I wonder, why he would change that ...
I think it comes down to how his son is involved in the two situations.
When he was trying to protect his son. That warrants shooting. No hesitation. Kill them before they kill Shawn.
Later, in the comic, his son has turned. In Hershel's mind, by some miracle his son is alive again. He thinks, "Maybe everyone else is just sick too?" So now he views anyone with the same "disease" as Shawn, as alive, and possibly curable. He believes, "If they can be cured, you shouldn't be killing them."
I think it comes down to how his son is involved in the two situations.
When he was trying to protect his son. That warrants shooting. No hesitation. Kill them before they kill Shawn.
Later, in the comic, his son has turned. In Hershel's mind, by some miracle his son is alive again. He thinks, "Maybe everyone else is just sick too?" So now he views anyone with the same "disease" as Shawn, as alive, and possibly curable. He believes, "If they can be cured, you shouldn't be killing them."
One major inconsistency with the Comic Canon is the timing of the breakout of the apocalypse. The zombie plague started in October in the books. In the game, the message on the answering machine mentions Spring Break. So the timing is totally off.
How about the fact that when Lee was being transported, there seemed to be no real hint of the outbreak, ie; the world was functioning normally... then he wakes up after the crash, and the outbreak looks like it has been happening for quite some time
How about the fact that when Lee was being transported, there seemed to be no real hint of the outbreak, ie; the world was functioning normally... then he wakes up after the crash, and the outbreak looks like it has been happening for quite some time
You saw a bunch of police offers all going off to fight correct? There's that.
Then there is the fact that Lee was unconscious for about 3 days, so the apocolypse had time to start going nuts.
I never thought he was out cold for 3 days. I assumed 1 day since you saw the sun going down during one flash.
I assumed that by 3 days the characters meant the outbreak might have first started in places 3 days ago but the crap never hit the fan on a big scale till after Lee's crash.
Maybe Lee just never had any run in with the zombies (much like Night of the living dead it starts 3 days before the actual movie, but the main girl doesn't meet any zombies till the movie starts)
However quick the zombie apocalypse came, I assume it did not bring everything to a standstill immediately. After all, they still have electricity. Maybe some zombies were out on the streets already the night before or even days before. Maybe the driving police officer already had some reports about some "creeps on the street", but no one knew what to think of them. Lee however - as he was in custody - might never have heard a thing about the outbreak. Much is possible here!
I believe it to be at least more than 1 day, if only because of the condition of everything. Clem's neighborhood is in too much of a mess. I think there would have been a lot more live people still around after only a day. The mention of Clem being alone for "days" also points to this.
However quick the zombie apocalypse came, I assume it did not bring everything to a standstill immediately. After all, they still have electricity. Maybe some zombies were out on the streets already the night before or even days before. Maybe the driving police officer already had some reports about some "creeps on the street", but no one knew what to think of them. Lee however - as he was in custody - might never have heard a thing about the outbreak. Much is possible here!
I feel like the cop would have spoke to Lee about it if that were true.
I believe it to be at least more than 1 day, if only because of the condition of everything. Clem's neighborhood is in too much of a mess. I think there would have been a lot more live people still around after only a day. The mention of Clem being alone for "days" also points to this.
Everyone got infected at around the same time. It hit the cities harder than elsewhere because more populated areas means higher chance for death. Even if the rest of Clem's neighborhood didn't turn bad at the same time, just Sandra turning would be enough for her to sneak out to her treehouse and stay. She might not run to neighbors for help. Some cities or neighborhoods would be hit sooner than others. Stories of riots are often poorly reported and rarely well captured on film.
Lee spent at least a day unconscious after the crash. He was thirsty when he woke up. Unless you become thirsty when you bleed out...
I think it comes down to how his son is involved in the two situations.
When he was trying to protect his son. That warrants shooting. No hesitation. Kill them before they kill Shawn.
Later, in the comic, his son has turned. In Hershel's mind, by some miracle his son is alive again. He thinks, "Maybe everyone else is just sick too?" So now he views anyone with the same "disease" as Shawn, as alive, and possibly curable. He believes, "If they can be cured, you shouldn't be killing them."
Right I get that, but when he's talking to Rick about the zombies in the barn, Rick's all "yeah I killed them because they tried to kill us" and Hershel responds with something like "you murderer, what if they can be cured I don't want their blood on my hands" which seems to be inconsistent with the no questions asked shot to the head in the game, surely he'd be understanding of what Rick did then. It's not really a big deal or anything and doesn't ruin my enjoyment and you could probably get there on a stretch I would've just preferred something like Hershel freezing and Lee shooting the zombies.
I just don't see a father freezing in a situation where their child is being killed. Especially when that father has a shotgun in his hand.
Yeah you're probably right, I still think it's hypocritical and inconsistent of him to call Rick a murderer though and that he doesn't want their blood on his hands.
Yeah you're probably right, I still think it's hypocritical and inconsistent of him to call Rick a murderer though and that he doesn't want their blood on his hands.
I agree completely, but stressful situations can make people behave mighty strangely.
also if lee did keep everything his inventory would fill up rather quickly and he'd be weighed down with all the zombie killing tools wow that was a wierd merge...
sorry peeps
I agree with WabbitTwaks. Adrenaline, especially in a fight-or-flight situation such as a zombie apocalypse, can cause quite the mental collapse of even the most sharpest and sane of a cast of characters, given the level of escalation and how long it stockpiles. The anime Highschool of the Dead is a prime example of this, with many characters (they were background/extras anyhow, but eh..) would go downright insane within a few minutes to hours within the current ZA.
I find it interesting that later, when Herschel and Rick speak about killing walkers, Herschel reacts like killing them is a terrible thing. This is probably due to the emotional affect of Shawn's death though. Fickle damn people. Sure, everything changes when it's your kin on the line. Screw everyone else.
His son might not stay dead.. When/if he revives, Hershel will likely want to "cure him" and/or come to the conclusion that they could be cured. Everyone left the farm pretty quickly, we might not know.
Of course.. the guy is a veterinarian, he should know his son is actually dead.. so if he returns, that might make the cure concept a bit of a stretch... but he's lying to himself, and might suggest that there were signs of life too faint for him to detect.
His son might not stay dead.. When/if he revives, Hershel will likely want to "cure him" and/or come to the conclusion that they could be cured. Everyone left the farm pretty quickly, we might not know.
It's established in the comics that Shawn IS one of the zombies Herschel is later keeping corraled in the barn -- in fact, Herschel still hopes for a cure when Rick meets him, and admonishes Shawn later on for attacking his own siblings. We leave pretty immediately after this incident, so maybe Herschel plans to bury him and then thinks better of it. Clearly he is strongly motivated to look for any sign of humanity or life remaining in his dead son.
I suspect that this scene is slightly inconsistent with the comics because it wouldn't "play" well for Lee and company to leave immediately without trying to help, or for Herschel to ignore his son while he tells them in no uncertain terms to go, if Shawn is obviously still alive.
Or Herschel only discovers this after everyone leaves, which would then be entirely consistent with the scene as written. Human beings make bad assumptions all the time, especially under emotional circumstances, and dying a few days later is not necessarily inconsistent with being unconscious and bleeding heavily immediately after the attack.
It's established in the comics that Shawn IS one of the zombies Herschel is later keeping corraled in the barn -- in fact, Herschel still hopes for a cure when Rick meets him, and admonishes Shawn later on for attacking his own siblings. We leave pretty immediately after this incident, so maybe Herschel plans to bury him and then thinks better of it. Clearly he is strongly motivated to look for any sign of humanity or life remaining in his dead son.
I suspect that this scene is slightly inconsistent with the comics because it wouldn't "play" well for Lee and company to leave immediately without trying to help, or for Herschel to ignore his son while he tells them in no uncertain terms to go, if Shawn is obviously still alive.
Or Herschel only discovers this after everyone leaves, which would then be entirely consistent with the scene as written. Human beings make bad assumptions all the time, especially under emotional circumstances, and dying a few days later is not necessarily inconsistent with being unconscious and bleeding heavily immediately after the attack.
Exactly what happened. Shawn passed out, wakes up 20min later, they take care of him in the house but the poison kills him and then he's put in the barn. Exactly what I was thinking and explains everything
Yeah I was wondering that too. Maybe she had someone with her who wasn't bitten nail the door. I'm pretty sure she also had the door locked from the inside tho to answer your 2nd question
Another thing that I found I bit odd without being a loophole or anything: the way Hershel puts the bandage on Lee's wound, on top of his trousers! Come on, who would bandage a wound in such a way? You're suposed have the bandage tied to your leg, not to the pair of jeans you're wearing
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I was thinking about this before the game was even released. Showing us ONLY Shawn was a tad bit disappointing, while giving us the whole family would have been MUCH too distracting.
An explanation for the mentioning of "sister" instead of "sisters" could be that there's a particular sister which might need more attention than others at the time - maybe she's ill or something.
BTW, the Shawn's death canon violation... THAT's the biggie I was looking for.
Still no explanation for the absence of Arnold and Billy.
I can second this. I would have been 8 in first grade if I had a January-May birthday.
My daughters are January kids, oldest in their class, and are only 6/7 in 1st grade.
There may be some changes in laxity for the rules, but something tells me it was just an oversight on the writers part. As with most of these kinds of things, I think it comes down to that.
And to think the headache it took to get this stupid account working to just post this. I'm an idiot.
Easy way to explain this. Maybe hershel felt a pulse after Kenny's group left and decided to try and bandage and after him turning. Into the barn he went.
Looks like Hershel has to become a better liar, too!
Good point ... he seems to be much more "reasonable" in the game as in the show/comic. He does shoot them to protect his own ... I wonder, why he would change that ...
So he is shooting living people (trespassers), but he then gathers zombies, instead of shooting them??? hmmmm ... your logic is flawed :P
he is shooting two people who has just attacked his son while he is still very unaware about the full extent of the zombie invasion! but i do quite agree, my logic does seem a little... sketchy at best lol
Ah I see ... you mean that he only shoots them, because they're an immediate threat and he doesn't really understand yet that they're only "sick" people, who might be cured of their hunger for flesh and deadness.
{edit} some spelling errors... not all, I guess
When he was trying to protect his son. That warrants shooting. No hesitation. Kill them before they kill Shawn.
Later, in the comic, his son has turned. In Hershel's mind, by some miracle his son is alive again. He thinks, "Maybe everyone else is just sick too?" So now he views anyone with the same "disease" as Shawn, as alive, and possibly curable. He believes, "If they can be cured, you shouldn't be killing them."
You might be right
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Walking_Dead
Ooops missed that one didn´t you telltale
You saw a bunch of police offers all going off to fight correct? There's that.
Then there is the fact that Lee was unconscious for about 3 days, so the apocolypse had time to start going nuts.
I assumed that by 3 days the characters meant the outbreak might have first started in places 3 days ago but the crap never hit the fan on a big scale till after Lee's crash.
Maybe Lee just never had any run in with the zombies (much like Night of the living dead it starts 3 days before the actual movie, but the main girl doesn't meet any zombies till the movie starts)
I feel like the cop would have spoke to Lee about it if that were true.
Everyone got infected at around the same time. It hit the cities harder than elsewhere because more populated areas means higher chance for death. Even if the rest of Clem's neighborhood didn't turn bad at the same time, just Sandra turning would be enough for her to sneak out to her treehouse and stay. She might not run to neighbors for help. Some cities or neighborhoods would be hit sooner than others. Stories of riots are often poorly reported and rarely well captured on film.
Lee spent at least a day unconscious after the crash. He was thirsty when he woke up. Unless you become thirsty when you bleed out...
Right I get that, but when he's talking to Rick about the zombies in the barn, Rick's all "yeah I killed them because they tried to kill us" and Hershel responds with something like "you murderer, what if they can be cured I don't want their blood on my hands" which seems to be inconsistent with the no questions asked shot to the head in the game, surely he'd be understanding of what Rick did then. It's not really a big deal or anything and doesn't ruin my enjoyment and you could probably get there on a stretch I would've just preferred something like Hershel freezing and Lee shooting the zombies.
You are absolutely right.
Hershell, in the comic, speaks about killing the infected to cold blood. He was on his son's defense in the game.
Not to mention
Yeah you're probably right, I still think it's hypocritical and inconsistent of him to call Rick a murderer though and that he doesn't want their blood on his hands.
sorry peeps
His son might not stay dead.. When/if he revives, Hershel will likely want to "cure him" and/or come to the conclusion that they could be cured. Everyone left the farm pretty quickly, we might not know.
Of course.. the guy is a veterinarian, he should know his son is actually dead.. so if he returns, that might make the cure concept a bit of a stretch... but he's lying to himself, and might suggest that there were signs of life too faint for him to detect.
It's established in the comics that Shawn IS one of the zombies Herschel is later keeping corraled in the barn -- in fact, Herschel still hopes for a cure when Rick meets him, and admonishes Shawn later on for attacking his own siblings. We leave pretty immediately after this incident, so maybe Herschel plans to bury him and then thinks better of it. Clearly he is strongly motivated to look for any sign of humanity or life remaining in his dead son.
I suspect that this scene is slightly inconsistent with the comics because it wouldn't "play" well for Lee and company to leave immediately without trying to help, or for Herschel to ignore his son while he tells them in no uncertain terms to go, if Shawn is obviously still alive.
Or Herschel only discovers this after everyone leaves, which would then be entirely consistent with the scene as written. Human beings make bad assumptions all the time, especially under emotional circumstances, and dying a few days later is not necessarily inconsistent with being unconscious and bleeding heavily immediately after the attack.
Exactly what happened. Shawn passed out, wakes up 20min later, they take care of him in the house but the poison kills him and then he's put in the barn. Exactly what I was thinking and explains everything
The plank seems to be nailed to both the wall and the door, so that Lee has to break it with the axe before the door can be opened.
So, the first question is Who trapped Irene in the motel room?
and the second question why is Lee asking her to open up if he can see that door is blocked from his side?
Great game BTW