no, i dont expect anyone to live forever in TWD universe
but how many games kill off their main protagonist? not very many. just follows the same tired "black men must always die" script.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound here? You really just contradicted yourself in the most basic way: "You never see a game that does this. Its so predictable." Huh?
In a game about the walking dead, where anyone can die, it shouldn't be that surprising. Especially when there originally wasn't going to be a season two.
And there are quite a few games where the protagonist dies. Even if it wasn't the walking dead it wouldn't be unusual.
oh, trust me. i wasn't surprised in the least. in fact, i stated on this forum earlier this year that lee would more than likely die "redeeming himself"
i mean, you start off the game in the back of a police car for christ sake. nothing about this game made me think they'd break the stereotypical narratives.
And I guarantee if there was no black people in the show you would be complaining about that as being racist too. You cannot have it both ways.[/qupte]
that's one thing you're correct about, and that's only because i'm a fan of the comics. which supported non-stereotypical black leads.
but if they killed all black characters off on the show and didn't bring anymore on -- i would not be mad.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound here? You really just contradicted yourself in the most basic way: "You never see a game that does this. Its so predictable." Huh?
like i said, i predicted lee's death long ago. you can search my early post.
i mean, you start off the game in the back of a police car for christ sake. nothing about this game made me think they'd break the stereotypical narratives.
Lee wasn't some kind of "gangsta". He was an university teacher from an honest family. His parents owned a drugstore and is brother was a pharmacist. Even Kenny, a stereotypical southern redneck, managed to be friends with him.
the books are very diverse, hell for awhile rick was a background character and tyrese was the leader of the group. michonne was definitely not a stereotypical character in the books. she was an intelligent loner who carried the entire group.
but on the tv show, pfft, there seems to be a 1 black guy quota. just bodies meant to further the plot and save white characters. michonne turned into a bitter black woman who just leers at everyone with a scowl on her face. it's too early to speak on how they'll treat tyrese, but i imagine it wont be much different than oscar or t-dawg.
And yet you said its not a typical thing to do...so if something is not typical, how can it be predicted?
it's not typical to kill off your main protagonist in a video game, but seeing that Lee's a black criminal -- it was very predictable that he'd have to die redeeming himself.
what's so hard to understand? you keep trying to find a contradiction where there is none.
the books are very diverse, hell for awhile rick was a background character and tyrese was the leader of the group. michonne was definitely not a stereotypical character in the books. she was an intelligent loner who carried the entire group.
riiiiight, and the fact she is batshit crazy doesn't mean a thing, huh?
Marcu5, I have to say that I do not understand your perspective in any way. Maye some of the characters may have been sexist, racist or something, but TWD is not. Like what has been said, Lee was not a gangster. Theodore was not a gangster, either, even if he had a silly nickname (my opinion). Christa, a black woman (more or less, I mean, there are treatments to make your hair like this, but I do not want to discuss the origins of the characters here) was also fairly normal. There were not stereotypical things going on, characters just died. And, about the prison "survivors". It is a fact, that many prisoners in the US are not "white".
why not? i guess they had to spice up the black guys story with a criminal background for you guys?
Hey come on, Lee made only ONE mistake in his life. It's not like if he was some sort of thug. Lee was the most educated person in the group, along with Katjaa who was a vet.
Hey come on, Lee made only ONE mistake in his life. It's not like if he was some sort of thug. Lee was the most educated person in the group, along with Katjaa who was a vet.
oh wow. i guess the only way white folks will sympathize with a black guys criminal background is if they play as him in a video game.
oh wow. i guess the only way white folks will sympathize with a black guys criminal background is if they play as him in a video game.
Not really.
In Silent Hill 2, the protagonist killed his wife. He deludes himself into thinking that his wife is alive somewhere in Silent Hill when her corpse is most likely in his vehicle's trunk.
name some besides prototype or any call of duty games.
Ok. Obviously there will be spoilers so be careful everybody else
Red Dead Redemption
Persona 3
Final Fantasy X(sort of)
Mass Effect 3 (ambiguous)
Prince of Persia 08
Shadow of the Colossus(well, he sorta comes back, but not really)
Chrono Trigger (if you don't do the sidequest)
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
Mass Effect 3 (amiguous)
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Swords and Sorcery
I know I'm missing a lot, this is just what I can think of right now.
Hey hey hey, I'm white, but if I'd live in the US, I'll also be discriminated because of my origins. Lee's criminal background isn't that bad, he's not some sort of drug dealer or worse. He killed a guy who slept with his wife. I'll sympatize with anyone who was in his situation.
Red Dead Redemption
Persona 3
Final Fantasy X(sort of)
Mass Effect 3 (ambiguous)
Prince of Persia 08
Shadow of the Colossus(well, he sorta comes back, but not really)
Chrono Trigger (if you don't do the sidequest)
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
Mass Effect 3 (amiguous)
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Swords and Sorcery
I know I'm missing a lot, this is just what I can think of right now.
Ok. Obviously there will be spoilers so be careful everybody else
Red Dead Redemption
Persona 3
Final Fantasy X(sort of)
Mass Effect 3 (ambiguous)
Prince of Persia 08
Shadow of the Colossus(well, he sorta comes back, but not really)
Chrono Trigger (if you don't do the sidequest)
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
Mass Effect 3 (amiguous)
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Swords and Sorcery
I know I'm missing a lot, this is just what I can think of right now.
well, i'll grant you that. i forgot about RDR, ME3 and Infamous 2. (although there will be an infamous 3)
You guys are not going to change Marcus's mind and I honestly think the dude is trying to just stir up shit at this point.
I'd been really hoping that this thread would be about the fact that Telltale USED an honorable African-American character as the protagonist. Sucks that I was wrong.
You guys are not going to change Marcus's mind and I honestly think the dude is trying to just stir up shit at this point.
I'd been really hoping that this thread would be about the fact that Telltale USED an honorable African-American character as the protagonist. Sucks that I was wrong.
You guys are not going to change Marcus's mind and I honestly think the dude is trying to just stir up shit at this point.
I'd been really hoping that this thread would be about the fact that Telltale USED an honorable African-American character as the protagonist. Sucks that I was wrong.
Yeah, I don't like arguing much, and I've never been too good at it lol. I think I've said pretty much everything I can, unless I want to get into "NO U" territory, so I'm done.
If you wanted that all black people in the game to be thugs or dealers, you should have played GTA. The fact that Lee had a normal life until his wife began cheating on him doesn't suit a black person, right?
If you wanted that all black people in the game to be thugs or dealers, you should have played GTA. The fact that Lee had a normal life until his wife began cheating on him doesn't suit a black person, right?
yes, that's exactly what i've been saying. lee should have been a coke dealing pimp instead :rolleyes:
the reason why they have watered down the governor is because showing a character like him on tv with the zombie incest, rape and horrifying behavior would disturb your average casual tv-viewer. so they play it safe, and I agree, so far the Governor isn't evil and crazy enough.
They did hint at some things... but only hint like the brushing of his girl and stripping maggie. sure its not like rape and putting his tongue in his dead daughter but I doubt they would ever show this stuff on TV. it is and will be a watered down version of the comics in order to appeal to a broad casual audience.
So you want a Walking Dead that's like the comics? Why not just put it on HBO then?
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Do you realize how ridiculous you sound here? You really just contradicted yourself in the most basic way: "You never see a game that does this. Its so predictable." Huh?
oh, trust me. i wasn't surprised in the least. in fact, i stated on this forum earlier this year that lee would more than likely die "redeeming himself"
i mean, you start off the game in the back of a police car for christ sake. nothing about this game made me think they'd break the stereotypical narratives.
name some besides prototype or any call of duty games.
Can you explain this? How?
Lee wasn't some kind of "gangsta". He was an university teacher from an honest family. His parents owned a drugstore and is brother was a pharmacist. Even Kenny, a stereotypical southern redneck, managed to be friends with him.
the books are very diverse, hell for awhile rick was a background character and tyrese was the leader of the group. michonne was definitely not a stereotypical character in the books. she was an intelligent loner who carried the entire group.
but on the tv show, pfft, there seems to be a 1 black guy quota. just bodies meant to further the plot and save white characters. michonne turned into a bitter black woman who just leers at everyone with a scowl on her face. it's too early to speak on how they'll treat tyrese, but i imagine it wont be much different than oscar or t-dawg.
You see, in the comics it shows a white man raping a chained black woman. That makes it more racially sensitive.
it's not typical to kill off your main protagonist in a video game, but seeing that Lee's a black criminal -- it was very predictable that he'd have to die redeeming himself.
what's so hard to understand? you keep trying to find a contradiction where there is none.
Edit: I talking about Kenny
riiiiight, and the fact she is batshit crazy doesn't mean a thing, huh?
he didn't really seem like a redneck
unless the mullet is supposed to make him a redneck.
how is she bat shit crazy? if she's batshit crazy, so is rick -- and the entire story revolves around him
did you forget michonne has a split personality already? and has since before the zombacolypse?
true, they made him a history professor instead of a drug dealer
but the contrast is just amazing. white guy rick is a cop, black guy lee is a criminal. it's bullshit.
Forgetting the black cop in the game, I'm guessing, huh?
and rick hears and sees people who aren't there, whats your point?
in the comics, she saves the entire group several times over like it's her 9-5 job.
If he had been just a history professor with a clean record, it wouldn't be so interesting either.
I was talking about Kenny. The cap, the shirts, the fact he is a fisherman from Florida, the moustache, that's a bit redneck.
why not? i guess they had to spice up the black guys story with a criminal background for you guys?
Manslaughter in domestic disputes is hardly a criminal background. It's a crime of passion and it happens everyday to different people.
Hey come on, Lee made only ONE mistake in his life. It's not like if he was some sort of thug. Lee was the most educated person in the group, along with Katjaa who was a vet.
oh wow. i guess the only way white folks will sympathize with a black guys criminal background is if they play as him in a video game.
Not really.
In Silent Hill 2, the protagonist killed his wife. He deludes himself into thinking that his wife is alive somewhere in Silent Hill when her corpse is most likely in his vehicle's trunk.
The game was a hit.
Ok. Obviously there will be spoilers so be careful everybody else
Persona 3
Final Fantasy X(sort of)
Mass Effect 3 (ambiguous)
Prince of Persia 08
Shadow of the Colossus(well, he sorta comes back, but not really)
Chrono Trigger (if you don't do the sidequest)
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
Mass Effect 3 (amiguous)
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Swords and Sorcery
I know I'm missing a lot, this is just what I can think of right now.
well, i'll grant you that. i forgot about RDR, ME3 and Infamous 2. (although there will be an infamous 3)
I'd been really hoping that this thread would be about the fact that Telltale USED an honorable African-American character as the protagonist. Sucks that I was wrong.
honorable? he's a murderer, give me a break
Yeah, I don't like arguing much, and I've never been too good at it lol. I think I've said pretty much everything I can, unless I want to get into "NO U" territory, so I'm done.
also,
If you wanted that all black people in the game to be thugs or dealers, you should have played GTA. The fact that Lee had a normal life until his wife began cheating on him doesn't suit a black person, right?
yes, that's exactly what i've been saying. lee should have been a coke dealing pimp instead :rolleyes:
So you want a Walking Dead that's like the comics? Why not just put it on HBO then?