Domestic violence is not divided along racial lines and the game goes to great lengths to depict him as regretful of what he did. Serious question: Are you trolling or do you have a legitimate problem with how race is treated in this game?
Well, he's clearly passionate about his viewpoint.
I think it'd be unfair to disregard him.
The fact T-Dog was the TV shows Red Shirt, and a black man, is at the very minimum piss poor development on the show's part. While I'm unsure if it's racially motivated, it is extremely poor and stereotypical character design.
it's like im dealing with a bunch of ultra PC oblivious sheep
Well, you need to realize that most people have grown up under the "racism is bad and we're all the same" mentality that gets forced on everyone these days.
Now, racism "is" bad - but we're not all the same.
The problem, in my opinion, is that most see difference as weakness. I've always seen it as a strength. (As in a strength in the human race as a whole, mind you)
Of course, difference is not a weakness. But what Marcu5 does is just plain bullshit. There are asians who sound like caucasians and they are arabic people who sound like "black" people, altough they are, strictly seen, not "black". How you "sound" differs on how you are raised, and not where you are from.
Of course, difference is not a weakness. But what Marcu5 does is just plain bullshit. There are asians who sound like caucasians and they are arabic people who sound like "black" people, altough they are, strictly seen, not "black". How you "sound" differs on how you are raised, and not where you are from.
Actually there are a lot of factors, some genetic, and some not.
The cool thing about the human vocal apparatus is that it's very flexible, allowing people to train it to operate outside of it's "defaults".
The problem, in my opinion, is that most see difference as weakness. I've always seen it as a strength. (As in a strength in the human race as a whole, mind you)
Well said.
Good point made too about most people being raised with a "racism sucks" mentality. I'd like to think most people feel that way nowadays.
Race as nothing to do with people's personality. Many black people have problems with the law because they have less opportunities. Lee had more than average, and he ended up teaching in the UGA. The same thing happens in poor rural areas, where the majority of racists come from.
"Racists" don't just come, majority or otherwise, from "rural" areas. Racism, at it's core, springs from ignorance and fear. Not geography.
Poor rural areas mean that people have less opportunities to get good education, so yeah, ignorance may come from geography too. But generally speaking your familial background influences it the most.
"Racists" don't just come, majority or otherwise, from "rural" areas. Racism, at it's core, springs from ignorance and fear. Not geography.
After the 2012 election, some online news agency did an interesting article that examined racism on a state-by-state basis on Twitter. They did a Twitter search for certain hot-button racist terms (such as the N word) and traced them geographically. Most of the racist tweets, if I'm remembering the article correctly, came from the deep south.
I hate to push stereotypes like that, but it looks like most people with racist ideologies do hail from those areas. As for why, I have no idea.
Poor rural areas mean that people have less opportunities to get good education, so yeah, ignorance may come from geography too. But generally speaking your familial background influences it the most.
I wouldn't put much faith in their "study" - all they'd have gotten were the "vocal" types... hardly a solid measure of an entire populace. Unless a vast majority of citizens from those states use Twitter.
I mean, look at gaming message board users. Clearly we don't represent the "average" gamer.... not when you look at the difference between unique message board posters and overall unique sales.
These are some strong allegations. I had a very large reply that was going to be posted, but somehow got stuck. So I'm still writing this for the other people here, not you.
Yes, the show was very neglectful in giving the people of color a backstory. Is it ignorant? Yes. Is it racist? Don't think so. Its just horrible writing... in terms of writing, the game is better than the comic, which is also better than the show. In the comic, the African-American characters were given more of a decent backstory. Plus in the game, Lee might have died, yes. But he didn't die in vain, he did it to save the closest thing he ever had to a daughter. And it doesn't matter what race she was. In the entirety of the game, it was you playing Lee, who did everything in his power to protect Clementine. It was Lee who nurtured Clem, depending on your choices. It was Lee who fought against a family of cannibals in order to protect Clem. It was Lee who waded through a horde of zombies, bitten, in order to rescue her. And even if you might call his backstory stereotypical, he still had his shit together more than the other survivors. There was not even one bit of white savior in this video game. He was morally superior to even the white guy who you had to practically remind that you were there for him and his family in order for him to come with you during your final moments. Lee was someone admirable, someone we all respected. Lee was even a better protagonist than Rick.
Lee was a character, who for once, wasn't the side character to a white savior. He was the leader, all in all.
And you're saying that Clem is mixed, even though the writers showed a picture of both of her African American parents to prove those who denied her nationality otherwise. But still you persist that her or her mother doesn't look African-American... do they need to be dark in order to be African-American? That's a little bit of racist thinking you've got there then. Because I'm hispanic but my looks could possibly be passed off as asian. Does that make me asian? I have a sister who is Hispanic, but looks like she's white, even though both our Hispanic parents prove otherwise. Does that make her any less Hispanic? I have an African-American friend and her skin color is light compared to other African-Americans, most likely inheriting it from one or both of her parents. Does that make her any less of an African American?
But no, you argue that the voice actress for both Clem and her mom are white. So what? For all we know, there hasn't been any African-American voice actors/actresses that have applied to Telltale Games. Hell, the voice actress for Clem is the same voice actress that did the voice of Stinky and Trixie Trotter, so its very obvious that they don't have that many voice actors/actresses on board and they probably don't have the budget to hire one just to be ethically correct. I mean, its voice acting, not live action where painting yourself a certain and opposite skin color to your own is wrong and stupid. Now you're just nitpicking.
It seems to me you're very insecure, even going to the point of accusing someone of calling you a slave when they called you out as a black supremacist? What's that all about? Go back to Tumblr. :rolleyes:
It seems to me you're very insecure, even going to the point of accusing someone of calling you a slave when they called you out as a black supremacist? What's that all about? Go back to Tumblr. :rolleyes:
im going to respond to this first since im on a cellphone, but he called me kuntakinte. if you're not aware of who that is, google it. your message started off strong but degraded immediately to the same ole rhetoric.
im going to respond to this only, because this is the only thing I feel is defensible with a response. your message started off strong but doesn't portray me in a good light, so I will not respond to anything else.
im going to respond to this first since im on a cellphone, but he called me kuntakinte. if you're not aware of who that is, google it. your message started off strong but degraded immediately to the same ole rhetoric.
You're on the cell phone? You must feel so important.
Marcu5 isn't doing a good job arguing, but he's right about the one black man rule being stupid and racist. Rather than debating with everyone on this massively out of control thread, I'm going to summarize.
The Walking Dead show is poorly written as a whole. It's characters are bland and nothing like their comic counterparts, the plot goes lifelessly from one broadstroke of the canon to another, the changes are uninspired (and when they do something interesting, it's a case of reality interfering (DeMunn leaving, Sophia's aging actor (ooh, nested parentheses!!!))), and they could make better use of their characters.
Oscar was a red shirt. He was killed to make Woodbury's escape look dangerous. You know how that could have been done better? Have DARYL get shot. He's a fan favorite, and useful to boot. Oscar dying is predictable and stupid. If Daryl gets shot in the escape, everyone would care. He was gonna get caught anyway, why not connect the A to the B and say the reason he was caught was because he got shot in the escape? Then you still have a black character to put to better use and higher stakes with Daryl against Merle.
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i wish it were on HBO instead of AMC.
Domestic violence is not divided along racial lines and the game goes to great lengths to depict him as regretful of what he did. Serious question: Are you trolling or do you have a legitimate problem with how race is treated in this game?
I'm curious, did you make this much noise about the voice actress for Ashley Williams in Mass Effect?
i wasn't aware the voice actress was black until this thread.
i think they should have hired a white woman to do the voice work of a white character.
although to be fair, i couldn't tell the difference. ashley williams sounds white to me. unlike clem or diana, who clearly sound white.
I think it'd be unfair to disregard him.
The fact T-Dog was the TV shows Red Shirt, and a black man, is at the very minimum piss poor development on the show's part. While I'm unsure if it's racially motivated, it is extremely poor and stereotypical character design.
And how exactly does "white" sound? Remember, you are trying to prove you are not a racist.
i don't care if you guys think i'm racist. frankly, you display your lack of understanding of what racism is when you insinuate that.
if you want to pretend you there's no tonal difference between races, so be it.
of course there is
it's like im dealing with a bunch of ultra PC oblivious sheep
Lol, what does a white guy sound like?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tbl4sHsUw4
Well, you need to realize that most people have grown up under the "racism is bad and we're all the same" mentality that gets forced on everyone these days.
Now, racism "is" bad - but we're not all the same.
The problem, in my opinion, is that most see difference as weakness. I've always seen it as a strength. (As in a strength in the human race as a whole, mind you)
that sounds like dave chappelle making fun of white people.
Actually there are a lot of factors, some genetic, and some not.
The cool thing about the human vocal apparatus is that it's very flexible, allowing people to train it to operate outside of it's "defaults".
Well said.
Good point made too about most people being raised with a "racism sucks" mentality. I'd like to think most people feel that way nowadays.
not even close, bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glOv4MIyNSE
Poor rural areas mean that people have less opportunities to get good education, so yeah, ignorance may come from geography too. But generally speaking your familial background influences it the most.
After the 2012 election, some online news agency did an interesting article that examined racism on a state-by-state basis on Twitter. They did a Twitter search for certain hot-button racist terms (such as the N word) and traced them geographically. Most of the racist tweets, if I'm remembering the article correctly, came from the deep south.
I hate to push stereotypes like that, but it looks like most people with racist ideologies do hail from those areas. As for why, I have no idea.
you can be equally racist living in the city
region has very little to do with it
Read it another time, you'll see my point.
I mean, look at gaming message board users. Clearly we don't represent the "average" gamer.... not when you look at the difference between unique message board posters and overall unique sales.
Yes, the show was very neglectful in giving the people of color a backstory. Is it ignorant? Yes. Is it racist? Don't think so. Its just horrible writing... in terms of writing, the game is better than the comic, which is also better than the show. In the comic, the African-American characters were given more of a decent backstory. Plus in the game, Lee might have died, yes. But he didn't die in vain, he did it to save the closest thing he ever had to a daughter. And it doesn't matter what race she was. In the entirety of the game, it was you playing Lee, who did everything in his power to protect Clementine. It was Lee who nurtured Clem, depending on your choices. It was Lee who fought against a family of cannibals in order to protect Clem. It was Lee who waded through a horde of zombies, bitten, in order to rescue her. And even if you might call his backstory stereotypical, he still had his shit together more than the other survivors. There was not even one bit of white savior in this video game. He was morally superior to even the white guy who you had to practically remind that you were there for him and his family in order for him to come with you during your final moments. Lee was someone admirable, someone we all respected. Lee was even a better protagonist than Rick.
Lee was a character, who for once, wasn't the side character to a white savior. He was the leader, all in all.
And you're saying that Clem is mixed, even though the writers showed a picture of both of her African American parents to prove those who denied her nationality otherwise. But still you persist that her or her mother doesn't look African-American... do they need to be dark in order to be African-American? That's a little bit of racist thinking you've got there then. Because I'm hispanic but my looks could possibly be passed off as asian. Does that make me asian? I have a sister who is Hispanic, but looks like she's white, even though both our Hispanic parents prove otherwise. Does that make her any less Hispanic? I have an African-American friend and her skin color is light compared to other African-Americans, most likely inheriting it from one or both of her parents. Does that make her any less of an African American?
But no, you argue that the voice actress for both Clem and her mom are white. So what? For all we know, there hasn't been any African-American voice actors/actresses that have applied to Telltale Games. Hell, the voice actress for Clem is the same voice actress that did the voice of Stinky and Trixie Trotter, so its very obvious that they don't have that many voice actors/actresses on board and they probably don't have the budget to hire one just to be ethically correct. I mean, its voice acting, not live action where painting yourself a certain and opposite skin color to your own is wrong and stupid. Now you're just nitpicking.
It seems to me you're very insecure, even going to the point of accusing someone of calling you a slave when they called you out as a black supremacist? What's that all about? Go back to Tumblr. :rolleyes:
im going to respond to this first since im on a cellphone, but he called me kuntakinte. if you're not aware of who that is, google it. your message started off strong but degraded immediately to the same ole rhetoric.
You're on the cell phone? You must feel so important.
thank you for the false translation but i'll get to it when i'm at home
The Walking Dead show is poorly written as a whole. It's characters are bland and nothing like their comic counterparts, the plot goes lifelessly from one broadstroke of the canon to another, the changes are uninspired (and when they do something interesting, it's a case of reality interfering (DeMunn leaving, Sophia's aging actor (ooh, nested parentheses!!!))), and they could make better use of their characters.
Oscar was a red shirt. He was killed to make Woodbury's escape look dangerous. You know how that could have been done better? Have DARYL get shot. He's a fan favorite, and useful to boot. Oscar dying is predictable and stupid. If Daryl gets shot in the escape, everyone would care. He was gonna get caught anyway, why not connect the A to the B and say the reason he was caught was because he got shot in the escape? Then you still have a black character to put to better use and higher stakes with Daryl against Merle.