I don't now about poetry in english Language, but Spanish poetry had a tecnique named "pie quebrado" ("broken foot"). I don't now if it's the same...
In French, a foot is basically a syllable. The most "noble" verse is an "alexandrin" which is a "dodécasyllabe" (12 feet) with a "césure" (pause) in the middle.
Sometimes there is an additional rhyme in the middle (rhyming with the middle of the verse that rhymes with the end too, that is).
In English poetry, a foot, if I recall, is two syllables long, and has a different name depending on the stresses (00, 01, 10, 11). Not sure if there are other possibilities...
Iambic pentameters are the Shakespeare ones. Pentameter: 5 feet: 10 syllables. I think. And Iambic because they all follow the same pattern (don't ask me which one)
As I said, relies heavily on knowing where stresses are, which makes me hopeless at them.
And Iambic because they all follow the same pattern (don't ask me which one)
As I said, relies heavily on knowing where stresses are, which makes me hopeless at them.
Iambic meter uses alternating stresses on words or syllables. This isn't necessarily strictly followed however, but there is a definite rhythm to the speech. For example:
"to BE or NOT to BE, THAT is the QUEStion"
or
"WHAT a PIECE of WORK is a MAN, how NOble in REAson"
Iambic meter uses alternating stresses on words or syllables. This isn't necessarily strictly followed however, but there is a definite rhythm to the speech. For example:
"to BE or NOT to BE, THAT is the QUEStion"
or
"WHAT a PIECE of WORK is a MAN, how NOble in REAson"
Yes, but I'm a French person, I'm used to a language were you can say BONjour or bonJOUr and it's the exact same thing. You can even say "BONjour, bonJOUR!" (which might sound repetitive but is actually used).
You'd tell me it's "TO be OR not TO be", and I'd believe you just the same (well, except in this case it's prepositions, and remember the rule that they're not stressed.) I don't get stresses.
I'm used to things like "if it's the vowel's full sound, then that means the syllable is stressed" ("ai" vs "i" for I, or anytime there is a schwa you know it's not stressed). And as I said I remember prepositions aren't stressed.
Then I remember some mnemonic devices, such as words in "-tion" have the stress on the penultimate syllable.
But don't expect me to see a sentence and "guess" (for me it's really guesswork) where the stresses are.
I tend to say them right, but even saying them, I don't know where I have put the stress, because I feel I've just said it "normally", without stressing anything, if that makes sense.
I think that's the hardest part in learning English for a French person. Similar to feminine/masculine for an English-speaking person who learns French. A French person will often "get" if a new word they encounter is feminine or masculine without needing to be told so because it just "feels" that way. But English-speaking people don't grasp that in the language.
Similarly, you're likely to "get" where a stress is and think it's obvious, but I'll be at a loss unless I analyse it and remember all the rules I've learned and apply them.
For God's sake, Jane Austen is a satirist! Her plots are built around romantic fantasies so she can mock the mating mores of the day. Her writing has far more in common with Mark Twain's than Barbara Cartland's. *sigh*
Anyway, if you want to gain a better understanding of stressing syllables you should take Japanese. They do not stress any syllable more than another, and you should be able to hear the difference between how a native speaker reads a word and a beginner does.
I loved Austen after reading Persuasion. Then I was given tales about Northanger Abbey being a tale filled with thrilling mystery and torid passion set around a mysterious abbey, so I read it hoping for an Austen written mystery. I made it three-fourths of the way through the book and had yet to get out of the city and to the abbey yet. I dropped it and am now quite bitter with Austen. I'm also bitter with my friends for misleading me to get me to read the damn book. Pride and Prejudice calmed me a bit but I'm still bitter.
That's why I can't have a day without being on the forum.
I'll be wondering all day, what will the boob topic be about, and I'll drive myself insane by doing so.
This was such a day.
Now we're talking about English Poetry...
Anyway, if you want to gain a better understanding of stressing syllables you should take Japanese. They do not stress any syllable more than another, and you should be able to hear the difference between how a native speaker reads a word and a beginner does.
I have taken Japanese before, and I'm not sure what you meant. Are you saying I should take Japanese, but make sure the other students are English speakers so I can hear what mistakes they make or something?
I like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies better than the original.
My moms a big Pride and Prejudice fan, and I saw that book the last time I was in Australia.
So I give it to her on her birthday, and she just kept staring at it for a couple of minutes.
She loves it though.
I like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies better than the original.
I tried to read that one, but somehow the author managed to make a zombie apocalypse boring--but I sort of bought the book for the cover anyway, so I'm not bitter. I quite liked the original though, probably because it was the most interesting thing we read in my english class that year.
As soon as I read the first line of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies they lost me. They took a joke and made it unfunny. Call me crazy, but that's not what I expect from a "spoof".
Which, Secret Fawul, is technically what Northanger Abbey is as well. It's poking fun at Gothic mystery stories; it's not one itself. It was also a story Austen had written in her early twenties and left aside, and it was published after her death along with Persuasion because people wanted more Austen. It's not one of her more polished works.
It's poking fun at Gothic mystery stories; it's not one itself.
Yes I understood that, as hard as that may be to believe. I did read it three-fourths of the way. I prefer a book or any other medium poking fun at gothic mysteries to take place IN a gothic mystery. I'm a Clue/Murder by Death man. I got the point of Northanger Abbey three-fourths of the way in, saw where it was heading, saw that it wasn't what I wanted to read in the first place, therefore it was a waste of my time, so I dropped it. For good.
Oh, and I don't care if it was supposed to be funny, some of the characters in it were downright obnoxious. I wanted to punch both Thorpes, brother and sister right in the bloody face. There's nothing funny about people like them to me and they just make me shudder and get angry. I'm angry right now just thinking about them. I've NEVER read such annoying characters that could piss me off so bad at any time in another book.
Then don't read Villette. The heroine in that makes the Thorpes seem sweet and honest.
I also think the Thorpes were meant to represent the realistic portrayals of Gothic villains. They're essentially working from the same motives, trying to coerce the naive heroine into a loveless marriage to get at her "fortune", only they use social intimidation instead of physical. Stripped of the romance of power and horror of the Gothic, the novel shows them for what their kind really are, nasty, petty and annoying.
So what you're saying is that you want to see a drawing of Elaine topless. Because that's what I just read.
No, but the first thing I actually thought right after posting was "I wonder if anybody will infer if I simply want to see a naked picture of Elaine", but then I thought "nah, I'm sure the majority of users of the TTG forums aren't that kind of person". Then I thought I pretty much jinxed myself in coming to that conclusion, which you confirmed
Anyways, there be enough naked pictures of women on the interweb if I wanted to see them. I'm sure, if I looked hard enough, there'd even be ones wearing pirate accessories not unlike Elaine’s, such as bandanas and big loop ear-rings.
(I'd like to assure you that not only am I going to try and search for them but I do try my very hardest to resist all urges to look at any)
I´d say Ignis or Secret Fawful could set you up with a picture or two.
It would be interesting if Ignis took up some of Secret Fawful´s "postures" too. ^^
So here I am getting distracted from MI5 by other games and life for months. When I get back to playing it again this thread is featured number one on the telltale load up application. Wow is it varied in here.
I was impressed that the topic was accurate for more then a page.
Then don't read Villette. The heroine in that makes the Thorpes seem sweet and honest.
I also think the Thorpes were meant to represent the realistic portrayals of Gothic villains. They're essentially working from the same motives, trying to coerce the naive heroine into a loveless marriage to get at her "fortune", only they use social intimidation instead of physical. Stripped of the romance of power and horror of the Gothic, the novel shows them for what their kind really are, nasty, petty and annoying.
Well when you put them in that light, they don't piss me off nearly as much because they fit that sort of role perfectly. Although I think a better satire of a gothic villain, strange as this may sound, was Count Olaf from the A Series of Unfortunate Events novels. He was a hilarious, unpredictable, evil, greedy, petty, ham actor who wore the most unclever disguises, yet he somehow managed to fool everyone around him into thinking he was trustworthy and good and that the Baudelaires were horrible lying little brats. Because everyone around them were idiots. It just satirized those typical situations very well. In real life there's no way the Count could fool anybody even if they were blind and deaf and dumb, but throw in some satires of typical gothic cliches and he instantly becomes almost undefeatable.
I´d say Ignis or Secret Fawful could set you up with a picture or two.
It would be interesting if Ignis took up some of Secret Fawful´s "postures" too. ^^
Well, on the subject of boobs and Monkey Island fanart, I did a female LeChuck fanart here recently, which you can find in my blog in my signature [cheap self-advertisement].
Well, on the subject of boobs and Monkey Island fanart, I did a female LeChuck fanart here recently, which you can find in my blog in my signature [cheap self-advertisement].
That's just scary...
I think all the Jane Austen talk is killing the thread!
We need more boobs people, keep 'm coming!
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In French, a foot is basically a syllable. The most "noble" verse is an "alexandrin" which is a "dodécasyllabe" (12 feet) with a "césure" (pause) in the middle.
Sometimes there is an additional rhyme in the middle (rhyming with the middle of the verse that rhymes with the end too, that is).
In English poetry, a foot, if I recall, is two syllables long, and has a different name depending on the stresses (00, 01, 10, 11). Not sure if there are other possibilities...
Iambic pentameters are the Shakespeare ones. Pentameter: 5 feet: 10 syllables. I think. And Iambic because they all follow the same pattern (don't ask me which one)
As I said, relies heavily on knowing where stresses are, which makes me hopeless at them.
Well, it was.
I try my best.
cracked.com
"Bust"
I've never been and will never be asked out by a woman. But that is my very own decision, so I'm satisfied with it.
Perhaps, if I repeat it often enough, I'll start to believe it someday ... *sigh*
Iambic meter uses alternating stresses on words or syllables. This isn't necessarily strictly followed however, but there is a definite rhythm to the speech. For example:
"to BE or NOT to BE, THAT is the QUEStion"
or
"WHAT a PIECE of WORK is a MAN, how NOble in REAson"
Yes, but I'm a French person, I'm used to a language were you can say BONjour or bonJOUr and it's the exact same thing. You can even say "BONjour, bonJOUR!" (which might sound repetitive but is actually used).
You'd tell me it's "TO be OR not TO be", and I'd believe you just the same (well, except in this case it's prepositions, and remember the rule that they're not stressed.) I don't get stresses.
I'm used to things like "if it's the vowel's full sound, then that means the syllable is stressed" ("ai" vs "i" for I, or anytime there is a schwa you know it's not stressed). And as I said I remember prepositions aren't stressed.
Then I remember some mnemonic devices, such as words in "-tion" have the stress on the penultimate syllable.
But don't expect me to see a sentence and "guess" (for me it's really guesswork) where the stresses are.
I tend to say them right, but even saying them, I don't know where I have put the stress, because I feel I've just said it "normally", without stressing anything, if that makes sense.
I think that's the hardest part in learning English for a French person. Similar to feminine/masculine for an English-speaking person who learns French. A French person will often "get" if a new word they encounter is feminine or masculine without needing to be told so because it just "feels" that way. But English-speaking people don't grasp that in the language.
Similarly, you're likely to "get" where a stress is and think it's obvious, but I'll be at a loss unless I analyse it and remember all the rules I've learned and apply them.
Anyway, if you want to gain a better understanding of stressing syllables you should take Japanese. They do not stress any syllable more than another, and you should be able to hear the difference between how a native speaker reads a word and a beginner does.
I'll be wondering all day, what will the boob topic be about, and I'll drive myself insane by doing so.
This was such a day.
Now we're talking about English Poetry...
I have taken Japanese before, and I'm not sure what you meant. Are you saying I should take Japanese, but make sure the other students are English speakers so I can hear what mistakes they make or something?
My moms a big Pride and Prejudice fan, and I saw that book the last time I was in Australia.
So I give it to her on her birthday, and she just kept staring at it for a couple of minutes.
She loves it though.
I like Disco Darcy.
I tried to read that one, but somehow the author managed to make a zombie apocalypse boring--but I sort of bought the book for the cover anyway, so I'm not bitter. I quite liked the original though, probably because it was the most interesting thing we read in my english class that year.
Which, Secret Fawul, is technically what Northanger Abbey is as well. It's poking fun at Gothic mystery stories; it's not one itself. It was also a story Austen had written in her early twenties and left aside, and it was published after her death along with Persuasion because people wanted more Austen. It's not one of her more polished works.
Yes I understood that, as hard as that may be to believe. I did read it three-fourths of the way. I prefer a book or any other medium poking fun at gothic mysteries to take place IN a gothic mystery. I'm a Clue/Murder by Death man. I got the point of Northanger Abbey three-fourths of the way in, saw where it was heading, saw that it wasn't what I wanted to read in the first place, therefore it was a waste of my time, so I dropped it. For good.
Oh, and I don't care if it was supposed to be funny, some of the characters in it were downright obnoxious. I wanted to punch both Thorpes, brother and sister right in the bloody face. There's nothing funny about people like them to me and they just make me shudder and get angry. I'm angry right now just thinking about them. I've NEVER read such annoying characters that could piss me off so bad at any time in another book.
I also think the Thorpes were meant to represent the realistic portrayals of Gothic villains. They're essentially working from the same motives, trying to coerce the naive heroine into a loveless marriage to get at her "fortune", only they use social intimidation instead of physical. Stripped of the romance of power and horror of the Gothic, the novel shows them for what their kind really are, nasty, petty and annoying.
Irishmile, i dont know how to tell you this...but your wife may be a zombie too. Not the grey complextion. Did she crave brains during pregnancy?
Puzzlebox: Mitchell and Webb is great!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/but-if-we-started-dating-it-would-ruin-our-friends,11473/ <<---- story of my life. I need to grow a spine, i know
Well that and falling in love with a girl halfway round the world >.<
P&P&Z is becoming a movie!
And, not related to the above points:
Dear Avistew,
Signed Z@P
That is all.
Anyways, there be enough naked pictures of women on the interweb if I wanted to see them. I'm sure, if I looked hard enough, there'd even be ones wearing pirate accessories not unlike Elaine’s, such as bandanas and big loop ear-rings.
(I'd like to assure you that not only am I going to try and search for them but I do try my very hardest to resist all urges to look at any)
Get to it, Internet.
I´d say Ignis or Secret Fawful could set you up with a picture or two.
It would be interesting if Ignis took up some of Secret Fawful´s "postures" too. ^^
I was impressed that the topic was accurate for more then a page.
Or mostly because Avistew put's up a picture of her bust again.
Well when you put them in that light, they don't piss me off nearly as much because they fit that sort of role perfectly. Although I think a better satire of a gothic villain, strange as this may sound, was Count Olaf from the A Series of Unfortunate Events novels. He was a hilarious, unpredictable, evil, greedy, petty, ham actor who wore the most unclever disguises, yet he somehow managed to fool everyone around him into thinking he was trustworthy and good and that the Baudelaires were horrible lying little brats. Because everyone around them were idiots. It just satirized those typical situations very well. In real life there's no way the Count could fool anybody even if they were blind and deaf and dumb, but throw in some satires of typical gothic cliches and he instantly becomes almost undefeatable.
Well, on the subject of boobs and Monkey Island fanart, I did a female LeChuck fanart here recently, which you can find in my blog in my signature [cheap self-advertisement].
That's just scary...
I think all the Jane Austen talk is killing the thread!
We need more boobs people, keep 'm coming!
It exists and you know it exists.
I hope it was at least a tiny, weensy bit tasteful?
Think about what you're saying. This is the internet you're talking about.
damn