I'm not saying that it's an easy decision to make, nor is it the only decision they should make, but it is often a wiser one for the sake of both mother and child.
From a logical and completely objective point of view, perhaps.
My point, however, is that a parent's decision to keep their child is not necessarily motivated by logic or objectivity, nor should it always be, nor should someone else look down on a parent for making such a decision. In my opinion, for someone to say that a parent not wanting to give up their child is unreasonably selfish and burdensome to society is indicative more of said someone's own issues than it is of the parent in question.
I am constantly saddened by hearing from people who were raised by parents that were clearly not yet or ever ready for them. The saddest thing is that these kids often follow suit of their parents.
I'm talking about: "So what if I'm 16? I can be just a good a' momma as any one else. My mom did it, I can do it too." Proceeding to talk about how they'd teach their children how to shop lift food like their parents did to them as a solution for food costs. I've found that this sort of attitude is stupid common in less fortunate neighborhoods.
If the parent is being a burden to anyone, it's to their child and their children's children.
I'm talking about: "So what if I'm 16? I can be just a good a' momma as any one else. My mom did it, I can do it too." Proceeding to talk about how they'd teach their children how to shop lift food like their parents did to them as a solution for food costs. I've found that this sort of attitude is stupid common in less fortunate neighborhoods.
That is a different case than I was considering. For one thing, a 16 year old is still a kid, despite their insistence otherwise, so that introduces a whole different dynamic to the issue (of adoption.) Second, I would consider said 16-year-old parent becoming criminal and teaching their child to become criminal, though motivated by said parent's subsequent poverty, as a different issue and unacceptable to excuse.
So, yes. If a child is having children, there should be other people in said person's life to help them make a more informed decision. If said potential parent is an adult, however, and becomes poor as a result of keeping their child... in the circumstance where said adult purposes to be as best a parent to their child as they can (without resorting to criminal behavior), I should not think others ought to look down on them for doing so.
I'll say that my dad's cousin wasn't looking for a child and certainly didn't expect one as she was starting her career, but she told me the moment she first held him she wouldn't have given him up for anything. This happens and maybe the girl in question is experiencing a similar thing.
And my second cousin turned out awesome and not like his father in the slightest.
Though, I will add that my dad's cousin was never going to really be alone in caring for her son. She did, but if she had needed help, I'm positive my dad would have let her come and live in his guest bedroom or something or that her parents would have chipped in. But she ended up doing it all by herself anyways.
Honestly, if I found myself in a situation like that, I really don't know what I would do. It's hard for me to imagine loving someone you don't even know enough to sacrifice so much for them. But it happened.
Humans are emotional beings. We are driven by emotional desire; we connect to our friends and loved ones on an emotional level...
Have you looked at the abysmal state humanity is in? We pollute our only planet, spurn opportunities to advance our species and do our damnedest to stay as backwards as possible. The sad truth is that our emotional nature ruins our logical potential.
Have you looked at the abysmal state humanity is in? We pollute our only planet, spurn opportunities to advance our species and do our damnedest to stay as backwards as possible. The sad truth is that our emotional nature ruins our logical potential.
I don't think this has much to do with love. Yeah, we're doomed, but I'm pretty sure anyone who told you that you should stop loving a certain Comrade because it's illogical to love would get their ass handed to them on a silver platter.
Emotions happen. Sometimes we can control how much they effect our actions. But in reality, a world where logic ruled emotion would be a very boring world indeed. Like a planet of Vulcans and they never threw good parties to the best of my knowledge.
@Giant Tope - Being called a "simpleton" is beyond insulting. Who are you to call me a "simpleton"?
I wasn't referring to you, but idk. I was referencing your statement that Pants would think differently if he had different genitals and little else of what you wrote. Take that what you will. That said, I don't mind if you don't value the opinion of yet another grumpy nameless voice yelling into the chaotic mass known as the internet if that's what you want.
I am ultimately not hurt nor insulted and you'd likely not even remember that post 10 years in the future anyways. So it works out?
I always seem angrier or dickish in writing than in person apparently. I'm sorry.
Yeah, these last pages were a pretty exiting read. I do support the continuation of the discussion in the tone it started with, but wish to add only one important question:
It may sound weird, but microwave bacon actually works. And the end result is very crispy with all the grease soaked up by the paper towels it's wrapped in. I could get used to this.
I'm watching Ghost in the Shell SAC on my HD 42 inch TV. I didn't think it would support widescreen and id get thoes black bars but it fills the screen and don't look stretched.
OK, Tope, now's your chance to come up with something impressive, something in the vein of:
When I saw him aiming his arrow for my knee, I realized immediately how crippling that would be in my line of work! I sprung into action, and using my Ahai-Oh-Khartesh-Ify move, struck the arrow mid-flight, diverting it harmlessly into a passing moleman. Ay, but I shall carry this scar to remind me of the tragic events of that day always!
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I already have the Machinarium and Shatter soundtracks, but the other stuff I do not.
Love the chiptune theme of this one. I love chiptunes.
From a logical and completely objective point of view, perhaps.
My point, however, is that a parent's decision to keep their child is not necessarily motivated by logic or objectivity, nor should it always be, nor should someone else look down on a parent for making such a decision. In my opinion, for someone to say that a parent not wanting to give up their child is unreasonably selfish and burdensome to society is indicative more of said someone's own issues than it is of the parent in question.
I'm talking about: "So what if I'm 16? I can be just a good a' momma as any one else. My mom did it, I can do it too." Proceeding to talk about how they'd teach their children how to shop lift food like their parents did to them as a solution for food costs. I've found that this sort of attitude is stupid common in less fortunate neighborhoods.
If the parent is being a burden to anyone, it's to their child and their children's children.
That is a different case than I was considering. For one thing, a 16 year old is still a kid, despite their insistence otherwise, so that introduces a whole different dynamic to the issue (of adoption.) Second, I would consider said 16-year-old parent becoming criminal and teaching their child to become criminal, though motivated by said parent's subsequent poverty, as a different issue and unacceptable to excuse.
So, yes. If a child is having children, there should be other people in said person's life to help them make a more informed decision. If said potential parent is an adult, however, and becomes poor as a result of keeping their child... in the circumstance where said adult purposes to be as best a parent to their child as they can (without resorting to criminal behavior), I should not think others ought to look down on them for doing so.
Humans are emotional beings. We are driven by emotional desire; we connect to our friends and loved ones on an emotional level...
As Spock would say, "logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
And my second cousin turned out awesome and not like his father in the slightest.
Though, I will add that my dad's cousin was never going to really be alone in caring for her son. She did, but if she had needed help, I'm positive my dad would have let her come and live in his guest bedroom or something or that her parents would have chipped in. But she ended up doing it all by herself anyways.
Honestly, if I found myself in a situation like that, I really don't know what I would do. It's hard for me to imagine loving someone you don't even know enough to sacrifice so much for them. But it happened.
Have you looked at the abysmal state humanity is in? We pollute our only planet, spurn opportunities to advance our species and do our damnedest to stay as backwards as possible. The sad truth is that our emotional nature ruins our logical potential.
I don't think this has much to do with love. Yeah, we're doomed, but I'm pretty sure anyone who told you that you should stop loving a certain Comrade because it's illogical to love would get their ass handed to them on a silver platter.
Emotions happen. Sometimes we can control how much they effect our actions. But in reality, a world where logic ruled emotion would be a very boring world indeed. Like a planet of Vulcans and they never threw good parties to the best of my knowledge.
I wasn't referring to you, but idk. I was referencing your statement that Pants would think differently if he had different genitals and little else of what you wrote. Take that what you will. That said, I don't mind if you don't value the opinion of yet another grumpy nameless voice yelling into the chaotic mass known as the internet if that's what you want.
I am ultimately not hurt nor insulted and you'd likely not even remember that post 10 years in the future anyways. So it works out?
I always seem angrier or dickish in writing than in person apparently. I'm sorry.
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you don't need ten strips of bacon
WTF Tope happened to your hand?!!??
Completely incomparable, but after hacking my way through a stupid ash tree log two weeks ago to eventually reach a longbow, my hand looked like this:
(Basically you describe something like Loyd Grossman would in his voice)
A fully orchestrated version tears me up everytime I hear it.
This version pumps me up! YEAH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoB4N9bgew
EDIT: I love this track from Shatter too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxdzTf9JOP8
EDIT: GODDAMIT! I JUST LOVE CHIPTUNES!
They give me a warm sparky feeling.
(Now I know why I call me Retro....)
OK, Tope, now's your chance to come up with something impressive, something in the vein of:
When I saw him aiming his arrow for my knee, I realized immediately how crippling that would be in my line of work! I sprung into action, and using my Ahai-Oh-Khartesh-Ify move, struck the arrow mid-flight, diverting it harmlessly into a passing moleman. Ay, but I shall carry this scar to remind me of the tragic events of that day always!
Seriously, hope it gets better soon!
Looks like "took an arrow to the knee" used to be a popular internet meme...
:cool:
Till it took an arrow to the knee...
Knife fights are the other obvious choice, but those are so 1970s.
Hopefully she can be more creative than I!
"Oh maaaan".
Bloody Dora and her obnoxious monkey!
I should like to spank that monkey and spank it real good! Ohhh yeeeaaaah.
... Symbiman?!
...no, wait, still nonsense.