I liked it. I must say I quite liked Clara's reveal, and I have no problem with The Doctor's reveal either.
There's a lot of time to play with between the TV movie and "Rose". If the John Hurt reincarnation did something incredibly terrible, it makes sense for his character to want to disown that reincarnation
, however, is more than we thought. It's not that he
ended the time war and did what we know already
that is going to be so shocking, I think the shocking thing may be in the details of HOW and at what cost.
I was thinking the same thing. All that we know is that the Doctor
time locked the Last Great Time War, with everyone inside except for him
. To be honest, I always wondered how he did that, and
how he got himself out
.
The specifics are probably the part that the Doctor doesn't want anyone to know. And, the
John Hurt reincarnation is probably the evil inside that eventually becomes the Valeyard, which would make sense since the Matt Smith Doctor is actually his twelfth reincarnation (but since the John Hurt reincarnation is disowned, the Matt Smith Doctor is still the 11th Doctor).
For the eagle-eyed, there was only one appearance of the Eighth Doctor the whole episode:
Rather frustratingly in the same scene as Patrick Troughton. Sounds like an entertaining multi-Doctor story.
Blimey, I didn't spot that at all! *Has* to be a novel in preparation there, surely? (Still no sign of Tennant, though, was there? Significantly)
Still annoyed that the inserts weren't done very well. It's very easy to do this kind of thing badly (e.g., the JLC meets the past Doctors as attached - warning, not worth looking at!) so surely somebody ought to have twigged they'd have to put some effort in?)
John hurt might be classed as a non-doctor because he started the time war. Think about it. War is the most un-doctorly thing he can do. It caused so much hardship and helped no-one.
In other news, matt smith is the 13th incarnation (thanks to journey's end). That makes him the final body, no? Which explains why the tardis interior was the same, and Clara didn,'t see future incarnations. Also it gives the BBC an excuse to cancel if the ratings get much worse.
Including Hurt, Matt Smith's the 12th incarnation of the Doctor, not the 13th - Journey's End didn't include a new incarnation of the original Doctor, just a sort-of-clone-thing of David Tennant.
Including Hurt, Matt Smith's the 12th incarnation of the Doctor, not the 13th - Journey's End didn't include a new incarnation of the original Doctor, just a sort-of-clone-thing of David Tennant.
He could technically be classified as the 13th reincarnation though, since the severed hand absorbed the full amount of reincarnation energy.
If Moffat wanted to go the route of saying the Matt Smith Doctor already used up all 12 of his reincarnations, it would certainly make sense.
Do Caves of Androzani. After all the shit that Five went through in that storyline, I'm not even surprised that Six turned out the way he did... or that he tried to kill Peri.
So long as you don't insult Marinus (the best 60's story by far)...
No promises.
I'll be starting at the beginning and working my way through the lot, because I'm just that much of a sadist (and this thread's gonna get buried pretty sharp if someone doesn't keep it updated with something relevant), so I'll give An unearthly Child a watch tonight and see how it goes.
So, I like Doctor Who. Or at least, I used to THINK I liked Doctor Who, but nowadays I'm not so sure.
When the show came back in 2005 I leapt at the chance to watch it, having only been passingly familar with the show beforehand. But then... wow. This was a show that promised everything. Adventures in Time and Space, anywhere and anywhen. And... well, it seemed to revolve around Earth a little too much, but it was still fun. Some great stories came around, stories that you just couldn't tell in any other television show. It was, if you'll excuse the half-pun, fantastic.
And then time passed, and both I and the show grew older. I became more cynical and jaded, and the show got a new lead, more experimental and more bogged down in its own past. At least, that's how I saw it, anyway. Everyone else just lapped it up, and I started to see that maybe I wasn't as big a fan of the show as I thought.
More time passed. More risks were taken, more self-indulgent wallowing ensued, more praise and fans were earned, and I became more and more disinterested. It wasn't that the show was bad - although it most CERTAINLY had its off days - it's that it had increasingly become concerned with ever more complex stories that were never truely stand-alone, and they all felt SO rushed as they tried packing more and more story into the 45 minutes each episode provided.
It came to a head with the 4 Specials that signaled the end of David Tennant's reign. I enjoyed exactly half of them, and the other two... well, what does one say about The End of Time? It was the most self-indulgant and ridiculous set of stories that Russell T Davies ever wrote. I realized, watching them the day after Christmas, that I was no longer a die-hard fan of the show. It had slipped away from me, to the point where I didn't even attempt to watch it live on Christmas, instead being perfectly happy to watch a Sky+ recording later that evening.
But I held out hope. There was another Doctor inbound, and a new show-runner! Maybe things would change! Maybe I'd be drawn back into the show, just as Eccleston had won me over in 2005. Maybe...
And, initially, it did. I was hooked once again. Change is always interesting, and the show was very much a similar yet different beast now. But once again, I started seeing things I didn't enjoy. The cracks in time started off as a neat little idea, a return of the Bad Wolf sort-of story arc that allowed for stand-alone episodes that had a common thread. But then River Song came back as a major returning character, and the cracks became more than just a sort-of story arc, and it all got complicated and I started getting tired again.
I kept watching, but I was much less attached to the characters or the stories in them, and it was clear that for all the talent and effort behind it, New-Who was not the show I wanted.
As it turns out, the show I wanted had existed for about 25 years, long before I was born.
Classic Who is almost everything I love about the show. It could go anywhere and do anything, it had no real overarching plot to make things complicated, and above all, it had something the new show is missing. For all the high budget and special effects New-Who has, it seems to lack the simple charm that the Classic show had. It's all about big dramatic theatrics these days, with devestating revelations and shocking plot twists. What happened to good old fashioned fun little adventures? (Aside from The Crimson Horror, which was a fantastic tribute to the sort of random adventures I long for and is one of my favourite New-Who episodes as a result) What happened to things being charming and simplistic?
Classic Who has it all, and that's why I'm going back and watching it all again. All of it (or as much as I can watch, given how some only exist as audios). And I'll be telling you exactly what I think of it. Right here.
This might take some time. There's over 150 Classic stories to get through. Deep breaths now...
I guess I'm the opposite I mean I love classic who but I like TV shows with complex storylines not even complex just over reaching so you feel by the end you understand all the mystery that came before it.
I seem to like all the episodes everyone hates like The Sound of Drums/Last of Time Lords and End of Time.
Figured I might as well start a blog for all these and then just post links to each review, rather than just posting them all here. So here's Jounney of a Lifetime(s). The name will only sound stupid until I reach Patrick Troughton.
I guess I'm the opposite I mean I love classic who but I like TV shows with complex storylines not even complex just over reaching so you feel by the end you understand all the mystery that came before it.
I seem to like all the episodes everyone hates like The Sound of Drums/Last of Time Lords and End of Time.
The thing is Dr Who in the good ol' days was Complex - it was a deeper, richer complexity. My main arguement for this is Binro (who, despite being a completely unnesscessary part of a relatively insignificant story, is someone I mention a lot) - the emotional situation Binro and Garron find themselves in is very complex.
On one side, you have a young man who doesn't seem to really have morals - he assists Unstoffe in pulling intergalactic cons and profiting off of thievery and deceit. And the other, you have Binro - an old, frightened man who believes in the stars. He's went through a lot of pain for his beliefs, but he's stuck by them. The two characters are polar opposites, but when the latter shares his ideas of the wider universe to Garron, Garron shows his true nature; he has to let this poor, wise man know that, someday far down the line, they'll look back at Binro as a visionary, saying, "Binro was Right." It's a complexity of character that we just don't get in Doctor Who anymore.
The Ribos Operation is a perfect Doctor Who serial. I wish that we had more writers like Robert Holmes.
Eleventh happened The TARDIS fell with him inside. And the "None can speak falsely or fail to answer" just meant because if he spoke falsely or failed to answer, his friends would die. So the Silence are scared of John Hurt then!
....or
Someone jumping in the Doctor's time stream and ending the universe
This might take some time. There's over 150 Classic stories to get through. Deep breaths now...
Or, if you want it to sound even more impressive/scary: there's over 600 episodes. And the Paul McGann movie. And the two Peter Cushing movies (that don't really count, but I have a soft spot for them). And the K9-pilot. And some one-off specials.
I've done a similiar thing, although without the blog. I'd advise you to take your time though. Nowadays many people tend to watch the individual stories as mini-movies (meaning: all episodes of a story in one go), and they're sort of sold like that on the DVD's, but I wouldn't watch the show like that if you intend to make it through the entire thing. As much as I loved my journey through the classic series, it's very easy to burn out on the show if you try to do too much at once. It's a long, long show. Especially if you're going to do the recons of the missing episodes. I did them, and I'm glad I did because there are some great stories in there, but it takes patience. It's especially hard at the beginning of Throughton's run (who's my favorite by far, I love the 60s version of the show). His first 11 episodes are missing, and none of the stories in his entire first season (consisting of 35 episodes) are complete. His first complete story is actually the first story of his second season. It's extremely frustrating, and it makes it difficult to get a handle on his Doctor in the beginning, especially because he's so very different to Hartnell's Doctor.
So yeah, I'd advise you to watch only 1 or 2 episodes a day. Be prepared to spend a lot of time with this show (it took me over 3 years I think, but that includes long periods where I didn't watch it). Earlier attempts by me to watch the entire show usually stopped around the Sensorites or the Reign of Terror, towards the end of the first season, and I've read online that that's a common point for people to give up on the show. Pace yourself, and be prepared to take a break if you're not enjoying the show. You're in for a hell of a ride though, I prefer the classic series to the modern one in many ways. There's a sense of exploration that's missing from the series now. The modern show is far too fast-paced and shouty.
Oh, and another side effect of watching the classic series is that you're going to sound like an old fart when discussing the modern series .
On the recent episode: really didn't like most of season 7 so far (after loving both 5 and 6 to death), but the finale was bloody excellent. Matt Smith can be very good when given the right script. The recent string of episodes kind of turned me off on the series, but I'm back to my old nerdy Whovian-self again.:)
Oh, trust me. I plan on pacing myself. I've got all those other projects on the go as well, remember. Let's Plays and Video Reviews and all sorts. Most of which I should probably get back to at some point rather than starting a whole new project that's going to take forever, but never mind. I never could stay still. Always running...
Paul McGann attacking Steven Moffat, for reasons I assumed were obvious.
Nope. Come on, let's have what, when, wherefore; dates, pounds, and ounces.... I'm still not sold on this McGann 23/11/13 rumour, so let's hear all the detailed little details about where this clip's come from... Please?:o
Nope. Come on, let's have what, when, wherefore; dates, pounds, and ounces.... I'm still not sold on this McGann 23/11/13 rumour, so let's hear all the detailed little details about where this clip's come from... Please?:o
Psst - I never said we'd see McGann in the anniversary special.
Oh and the clip is from Luther I think, with Steven Moffat's face edited in.
These aren't Big Finish releases. These are AudioGo releases, so they include the most recent Doctors for which Big Finish have no licence. It just so happens that AudioGo hired Big Finish to make them, under a separate licence.
So far, they are all pretty much standalone, except there's a recurring element that suggests somehow they'll tie together at the end. Heaven knows how, but nevertheless the implication is that the last one will have some reference back to every previous installment. The Hartnell and TBaker episodes weren't up to much (dull story and appalling narration, respectively) but the others have been middling-to-good.
Do Caves of Androzani. After all the shit that Five went through in that storyline, I'm not even surprised that Six turned out the way he did... or that he tried to kill Peri.
I'm watching it now. Looking out for Clara and the GI .
Did Bernard Cribbins read too much into being turned down, or are the Beeb leaving certain doors open here and there? We can but hope.... (seriously, Wilf could easily team up with Brian Pond and form a support group...)
Wouldn't Wilf be a millionaire now anyway? It was implied at The End of Time that the Doctors gift to Donna was a lottery ticket from next week, I doubt Donna would just take it all and not give any to her family so it would seem odd to see Wilf just working a stall again in a local area.
Wouldn't Wilf be a millionaire now anyway? It was implied at The End of Time that the Doctors gift to Donna was a lottery ticket from next week, I doubt Donna would just take it all and not give any to her family so it would seem odd to see Wilf just working a stall again in a local area.
If Aliens wouldn't stop him from selling on his stall then he wouldn't let money change him.
Comments
Rather frustratingly in the same scene as Patrick Troughton. Sounds like an entertaining multi-Doctor story.
I was thinking the same thing. All that we know is that the Doctor
The specifics are probably the part that the Doctor doesn't want anyone to know. And, the
Also this finally makes sense.
Blimey, I didn't spot that at all! *Has* to be a novel in preparation there, surely? (Still no sign of Tennant, though, was there? Significantly)
Still annoyed that the inserts weren't done very well. It's very easy to do this kind of thing badly (e.g., the JLC meets the past Doctors as attached - warning, not worth looking at!) so surely somebody ought to have twigged they'd have to put some effort in?)
In other news, matt smith is the 13th incarnation (thanks to journey's end). That makes him the final body, no? Which explains why the tardis interior was the same, and Clara didn,'t see future incarnations. Also it gives the BBC an excuse to cancel if the ratings get much worse.
No, we see a younger Oswin looking at him through a window.
If Moffat wanted to go the route of saying the Matt Smith Doctor already used up all 12 of his reincarnations, it would certainly make sense.
So long as you don't insult Marinus (the best 60's story by far)...
I'll be starting at the beginning and working my way through the lot, because I'm just that much of a sadist (and this thread's gonna get buried pretty sharp if someone doesn't keep it updated with something relevant), so I'll give An unearthly Child a watch tonight and see how it goes.
So, I like Doctor Who. Or at least, I used to THINK I liked Doctor Who, but nowadays I'm not so sure.
When the show came back in 2005 I leapt at the chance to watch it, having only been passingly familar with the show beforehand. But then... wow. This was a show that promised everything. Adventures in Time and Space, anywhere and anywhen. And... well, it seemed to revolve around Earth a little too much, but it was still fun. Some great stories came around, stories that you just couldn't tell in any other television show. It was, if you'll excuse the half-pun, fantastic.
And then time passed, and both I and the show grew older. I became more cynical and jaded, and the show got a new lead, more experimental and more bogged down in its own past. At least, that's how I saw it, anyway. Everyone else just lapped it up, and I started to see that maybe I wasn't as big a fan of the show as I thought.
More time passed. More risks were taken, more self-indulgent wallowing ensued, more praise and fans were earned, and I became more and more disinterested. It wasn't that the show was bad - although it most CERTAINLY had its off days - it's that it had increasingly become concerned with ever more complex stories that were never truely stand-alone, and they all felt SO rushed as they tried packing more and more story into the 45 minutes each episode provided.
It came to a head with the 4 Specials that signaled the end of David Tennant's reign. I enjoyed exactly half of them, and the other two... well, what does one say about The End of Time? It was the most self-indulgant and ridiculous set of stories that Russell T Davies ever wrote. I realized, watching them the day after Christmas, that I was no longer a die-hard fan of the show. It had slipped away from me, to the point where I didn't even attempt to watch it live on Christmas, instead being perfectly happy to watch a Sky+ recording later that evening.
But I held out hope. There was another Doctor inbound, and a new show-runner! Maybe things would change! Maybe I'd be drawn back into the show, just as Eccleston had won me over in 2005. Maybe...
And, initially, it did. I was hooked once again. Change is always interesting, and the show was very much a similar yet different beast now. But once again, I started seeing things I didn't enjoy. The cracks in time started off as a neat little idea, a return of the Bad Wolf sort-of story arc that allowed for stand-alone episodes that had a common thread. But then River Song came back as a major returning character, and the cracks became more than just a sort-of story arc, and it all got complicated and I started getting tired again.
I kept watching, but I was much less attached to the characters or the stories in them, and it was clear that for all the talent and effort behind it, New-Who was not the show I wanted.
As it turns out, the show I wanted had existed for about 25 years, long before I was born.
Classic Who is almost everything I love about the show. It could go anywhere and do anything, it had no real overarching plot to make things complicated, and above all, it had something the new show is missing. For all the high budget and special effects New-Who has, it seems to lack the simple charm that the Classic show had. It's all about big dramatic theatrics these days, with devestating revelations and shocking plot twists. What happened to good old fashioned fun little adventures? (Aside from The Crimson Horror, which was a fantastic tribute to the sort of random adventures I long for and is one of my favourite New-Who episodes as a result) What happened to things being charming and simplistic?
Classic Who has it all, and that's why I'm going back and watching it all again. All of it (or as much as I can watch, given how some only exist as audios). And I'll be telling you exactly what I think of it. Right here.
This might take some time. There's over 150 Classic stories to get through. Deep breaths now...
'Green bubble wrap monster'...
I seem to like all the episodes everyone hates like The Sound of Drums/Last of Time Lords and End of Time.
The thing is Dr Who in the good ol' days was Complex - it was a deeper, richer complexity. My main arguement for this is Binro (who, despite being a completely unnesscessary part of a relatively insignificant story, is someone I mention a lot) - the emotional situation Binro and Garron find themselves in is very complex.
On one side, you have a young man who doesn't seem to really have morals - he assists Unstoffe in pulling intergalactic cons and profiting off of thievery and deceit. And the other, you have Binro - an old, frightened man who believes in the stars. He's went through a lot of pain for his beliefs, but he's stuck by them. The two characters are polar opposites, but when the latter shares his ideas of the wider universe to Garron, Garron shows his true nature; he has to let this poor, wise man know that, someday far down the line, they'll look back at Binro as a visionary, saying, "Binro was Right." It's a complexity of character that we just don't get in Doctor Who anymore.
The Ribos Operation is a perfect Doctor Who serial. I wish that we had more writers like Robert Holmes.
In short - it hold up really, really well.
Or, if you want it to sound even more impressive/scary: there's over 600 episodes. And the Paul McGann movie. And the two Peter Cushing movies (that don't really count, but I have a soft spot for them). And the K9-pilot. And some one-off specials.
I've done a similiar thing, although without the blog. I'd advise you to take your time though. Nowadays many people tend to watch the individual stories as mini-movies (meaning: all episodes of a story in one go), and they're sort of sold like that on the DVD's, but I wouldn't watch the show like that if you intend to make it through the entire thing. As much as I loved my journey through the classic series, it's very easy to burn out on the show if you try to do too much at once. It's a long, long show. Especially if you're going to do the recons of the missing episodes. I did them, and I'm glad I did because there are some great stories in there, but it takes patience. It's especially hard at the beginning of Throughton's run (who's my favorite by far, I love the 60s version of the show). His first 11 episodes are missing, and none of the stories in his entire first season (consisting of 35 episodes) are complete. His first complete story is actually the first story of his second season. It's extremely frustrating, and it makes it difficult to get a handle on his Doctor in the beginning, especially because he's so very different to Hartnell's Doctor.
So yeah, I'd advise you to watch only 1 or 2 episodes a day. Be prepared to spend a lot of time with this show (it took me over 3 years I think, but that includes long periods where I didn't watch it). Earlier attempts by me to watch the entire show usually stopped around the Sensorites or the Reign of Terror, towards the end of the first season, and I've read online that that's a common point for people to give up on the show. Pace yourself, and be prepared to take a break if you're not enjoying the show. You're in for a hell of a ride though, I prefer the classic series to the modern one in many ways. There's a sense of exploration that's missing from the series now. The modern show is far too fast-paced and shouty.
Oh, and another side effect of watching the classic series is that you're going to sound like an old fart when discussing the modern series
On the recent episode: really didn't like most of season 7 so far (after loving both 5 and 6 to death), but the finale was bloody excellent. Matt Smith can be very good when given the right script. The recent string of episodes kind of turned me off on the series, but I'm back to my old nerdy Whovian-self again.:)
What the hell was that? Explanations, please.
It was Paul McGann attacking Steven Moffat, for reasons I assumed were obvious.
Nope. Come on, let's have what, when, wherefore; dates, pounds, and ounces.... I'm still not sold on this McGann 23/11/13 rumour, so let's hear all the detailed little details about where this clip's come from... Please?:o
Psst - I never said we'd see McGann in the anniversary special.
Oh and the clip is from Luther I think, with Steven Moffat's face edited in.
These aren't Big Finish releases. These are AudioGo releases, so they include the most recent Doctors for which Big Finish have no licence. It just so happens that AudioGo hired Big Finish to make them, under a separate licence.
So far, they are all pretty much standalone, except there's a recurring element that suggests somehow they'll tie together at the end. Heaven knows how, but nevertheless the implication is that the last one will have some reference back to every previous installment. The Hartnell and TBaker episodes weren't up to much (dull story and appalling narration, respectively) but the others have been middling-to-good.
I'm watching it now. Looking out for Clara and the GI
This is gonna be good.
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/cribbins-wants-wilf-back-49736.htm
Did Bernard Cribbins read too much into being turned down, or are the Beeb leaving certain doors open here and there? We can but hope.... (seriously, Wilf could easily team up with Brian Pond and form a support group...)
If Aliens wouldn't stop him from selling on his stall then he wouldn't let money change him.