Oh it's difference by degrees. I agree that Arkham Asylum was overrated, though an enjoyable experience. In the same way that Battlefield far outclasses Call of Duty, Arkham City far outdoes Arkham Asylum.
For fans of Batman, or casual game fans alike, it is high quality, well acted, entertaining stuff.
At the same time, you can't please everyone. If you don't like the Nolan movies, you're either a purist, or not the kinda person who will like Batman anyway. Neither are bad.
That said, the game has received much critical acclaim, soaked up an awful lot of money, and pleased fans, casual gamers and Batman purists everywhere. Having Paul Dini and Mark Hamill involved didn't hurt either.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. As such, I will give you another intentionally ridiculous example.
If Arkham Asylum or Arkham City don't turn you into a Batman fan nothing will.
Just avoid any DLc for those games. With the exception of the Catwoman thingie they aren't wort the price.
Hey. One picture, 2 games that deserve to be forgotten.
And one of them isn't even out yet.
Spec Ops: The Line is a new original title from 2K Games that features provocative and gripping Third-Person modern military Shooter gameplay designed to challenge players' morality by putting them in the middle of unspeakable situations where unimaginable choices affecting human life must be made.
Then again, I think that Nolan's po-faced 'Batman' films are grossly overrated, so what do I know?
I'd go even further to say that I find Heath Ledger's Joker to be completely over-rated in comparison to other jokers, like John DiMaggio's Joker or Mark Hamill's Joker. I think his interpretation got much more praise simply because he died. There, I said it.
I'd go even further to say that I find Heath Ledger's Joker to be completely over-rated in comparison to other jokers, like John DiMaggio's Joker or Mark Hamill's Joker. I think his interpretation got much more praise simply because he died. There, I said it.
This! All in all there was nothing important about the joker and it wasn't even a good joker they couldn't figure out what joker to use and then they just decided to use a psychopath in face paint.
I really liked Ledger's Joker. And I didn't give two figs that he died.
I didn't say I didn't like him playing it...I just thought it was altogether...unremarkable.
It was not the darkest joker that has ever been portrayed. That goes to John DiMaggio. It wasn't the most insane joker ever portrayed. That goes to Mark Hamill. It wasn't the most humorous joker ever portrayed. That goes to Jack Nicholson.
It was a bit...disappointing when you take into consideration he won an academy award for it.
This! All in all there was nothing important about the joker and it wasn't even a good joker they couldn't figure out what joker to use and then they just decided to use a psychopath in face paint.
But that's me and i'm anti-Nolan Batman.
After, Forever and 'Robin, I can't exactly say that I'm against these movies. They were still a big step up from where the franchise was going. '89 and Returns are still my favourites film-wise. Ledger/Nolan Joker was... okay. As was mentioned, there was just nothing remarkable about him. It really bothers me to the fanboy core how we get this... yet you don't see idiots walking around quoting any Hamill lines(except me, grill cheese sandwich anyone?). Maybe that's for the best.
After, Forever and 'Robin, I can't exactly say that I'm against these movies. They were still a big step up from where the franchise was going. '89 and Returns are still my favourites film-wise. Ledger/Nolan Joker was... okay. As was mentioned, there was just nothing remarkable about him. It really bothers me to the fanboy core how we get this... yet you don't see idiots walking around quoting any Hamill lines(except me, grill cheese sandwich anyone?). Maybe that's for the best.
After, Forever and 'Robin, I can't exactly say that I'm against these movies. They were still a big step up from where the franchise was going. '89 and Returns are still my favourites film-wise. Ledger/Nolan Joker was... okay. As was mentioned, there was just nothing remarkable about him. It really bothers me to the fanboy core how we get this... yet you don't see idiots walking around quoting any Hamill lines(except me, grill cheese sandwich anyone?). Maybe that's for the best.
I think this means that the Ledger Joker was memorable. Which he was. He became memorable with the pencil scene... which was definitely not a real magic trick.
I think this means that the Ledger Joker was memorable. Which he was. He became memorable with the pencil scene... which was definitely not a real magic trick.
But memorable...for what? Being mediocre at best, or because he was portrayed by an actor that died?
Also, because they've irrevocably ruined their respective series, if we forgot about these entries we could actually get Monkey Island and Maniac Mansion back on track, which is a big plus.
But memorable...for what? Being mediocre at best, or because he was portrayed by an actor that died?
I just said. Memorable for doing a fake magic trick that jammed a pencil into some dude's eye.
That's pretty damn memorable.
Also, his voice, but I tend to pay close attention to voices in pretty much everything since that's something that really interests me. I don't know what it was about his voice, but it just walked out of the theater with me and no amount of doggy treats would get it to leave. I didn't even know who played that Joker until months after I saw the movie and even then, I remembered the performance well enough to link it with the actor.
Of course, I only have two experiences with Batman. The Nolan movies and Batman: The Animated Series. From an outsider's perspective, I thought the Ledger Joker got the job done of convincing me that letting him run around was a near guarantee that more people would get pencils jammed in their eyesockets. Whether or not this is classical Joker, I don't know, but for the Nolan movies, which are already pretty dark, I think something less psychopathy wouldn't have worked as well.
Not a big fan of DiMaggio's performance. Under the Red Hood is, like most of the DC animated direct to DVD releases, serviceable, nothing more. There are a few exceptions, many of the Showcase shorts are outright brilliant(Jonah Hex, Spectre), and some of the main features go from being "average" to "downright horrible"(Year One).
I like Ledger's Joker quite a bit more than DiMaggio's or Nicholson's, and I'm not sure where it stacks up against Mark Hamill's, but I definitely feel the performance was excellent, nuanced, and Oscar-worthy.
Not a big fan of DiMaggio's performance. Under the Red Hood is, like most of the DC animated direct to DVD releases, serviceable, nothing more. There are a few exceptions, many of the Showcase shorts are outright brilliant(Jonah Hex, Spectre), and some of the main features go from being "average" to "downright horrible"(Year One).
I like Ledger's Joker quite a bit more than DiMaggio's or Nicholson's, and I'm not sure where it stacks up against Mark Hamill's, but I definitely feel the performance was excellent, nuanced, and Oscar-worthy.
We will have to agree to disagree. I found his performance to be what heath ledger's performance was trying to be: Brutal and twisted. I also loved Under the Red Hood because it explored a side to batman that was never really explored in any of the animated series' so far.
Can't speak to DiMaggio's performance, even after seeing that clip. But for me, Ledger and Nicholson embodied two completely different aspects of the Joker, the anarchistic psychopath and the gleeful maniac. Mark Hamill had both and more. To me, Mark Hamill IS the Joker.
Anyways, shouldn't this kind of discussion be taken to the Batman thread? I thought this one was about crappy video games?
Check out John DiMaggio's Joker. Even more dark than ledger and still has a twisted sense of humor.
After watching the clip, I found that, ignoring the laughing bits, if I listened to the dialogue without the video, DiMaggio's Joker almost sounded like he could have been a villain in a Western. I don't really know why, except that now I'm envisioning the Joker wearing a cowboy hat. Also, his voice is just too deep for the transfer into the laughing to happen naturally... I could almost hear the division between takes at those bits. Having said that, I do like his voice, I just feel like he would fit a role more as a Lawful/Neutral Evil villain... like as an evil banker or something.
I love Ledger's Joker (yeah, yeah, continuing off-topic, so hang me or transfer the whole discussion to the Batman thread ). He's very disturbing and creepy. I can actually say that I'm afraid of his Joker. I can't say that about Hamill (who's mega awesome, but I do not fear him) or Nicholson, because they're clearly characters on the screen. While when you watch Ledger, you have this disturbing feeling that somewhere in the world there is a person like that, and I REALLY wouldn't want to be living in that place. That's why I love Ledger's performance as the Joker.
I love Ledger's Joker (yeah, yeah, continuing off-topic, so hang me or transfer the whole discussion to the Batman thread ). He's very disturbing and creepy. I can actually say that I'm afraid of his Joker. I can't say that about Hamill (who's mega awesome, but I do not fear him) or Nicholson, because they're clearly characters on the screen. While when you watch Ledger, you have this disturbing feeling that somewhere in the world there is a person like that, and I REALLY wouldn't want to be living in that place. That's why I love Ledger's performance as the Joker.
And that's why I think his joker is horrible. The joker is supposed to be scary because he is batshit crazy and because of the things he does...not because of the way he talks... Again, I point to John DiMaggio for the example of a better dark knight version of the joker.
And the fact is he still has his classic twisted humor.
to take from the top comments:
'then one with the crowbar '
let me level with you
electrical engineering that smart
general relativity...that pretty FUCKING smart
that joke joker just sai FUCKING GENUISSSSSSSSS
And that's why I think his joker is horrible. The joker is supposed to be scary because he is batshit crazy and because of the things he does...not because of the way he talks...
The bolded part is like the weirdest counter-argument ever that completely misses the point of what I said. Maybe I should've been clearer, but my argument was NOT just about the way he talks, but about EVERYTHING related to him in the movie: behaviour, actions, etc.
I don't know...I just didn't find heath ledger darkly funny...at all. He seemed like he was trying to be funny and failed, whereas with every other joker ever...no matter how twisted his humor, I could understand the humor. Ledger's joker just seemed...whats the word...
It's like if he tried a little harder he would have been hilarious.
I don't know...I just didn't find heath ledger darkly funny...at all. He seemed like he was trying to be funny and failed, whereas with every other joker ever...no matter how twisted his humor, I could understand the humor. Ledger's joker just seemed...whats the word...
It's like if he tried a little harder he would have been hilarious.
Ah, I think I see why you don't like Ledger now. I actually agree that Ledger is not funny or darkly funny. But I don't think he was actually trying to be funny. I mean, his introduction scene (well, not counting the bank heist as introduction) with the pencil magic trick immediately established his sense of humor as... well... humourish only for the character himself. It's really twisted, which, for me, makes him even more disturbing as a character (and that's why I love his depiction in TDK so much).
It's a very different take on the Joker, and I can see why you don't like it, but I personally love it.
My problem with GK3 is not the fact that it was 3D, but the fact that it was just an awfully designed game. The reason why the moustache puzzle is so widely known as one of the worst puzzles in adventure games ever is because most of the people didn't bother to keep going through the game AFTER that particular puzzle The game is filled with those, and you can argue which one is worse. So yeah. If you would remake GK3 in 2D while keeping everything the same, it still would be an incredibly shitty adventure title.
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For fans of Batman, or casual game fans alike, it is high quality, well acted, entertaining stuff.
At the same time, you can't please everyone. If you don't like the Nolan movies, you're either a purist, or not the kinda person who will like Batman anyway. Neither are bad.
That said, the game has received much critical acclaim, soaked up an awful lot of money, and pleased fans, casual gamers and Batman purists everywhere. Having Paul Dini and Mark Hamill involved didn't hurt either.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. As such, I will give you another intentionally ridiculous example.
Just avoid any DLc for those games. With the exception of the Catwoman thingie they aren't wort the price.
Hey. One picture, 2 games that deserve to be forgotten.
And one of them isn't even out yet.
Choose in which colour the ending will play.
Duke Nukem Forever could've done with some more lengthy delays.
Some of us actually would seriously post this game. If ever a sequel watered down every aspect of the original.
We are now BFF's
I'd go even further to say that I find Heath Ledger's Joker to be completely over-rated in comparison to other jokers, like John DiMaggio's Joker or Mark Hamill's Joker. I think his interpretation got much more praise simply because he died. There, I said it.
This! All in all there was nothing important about the joker and it wasn't even a good joker they couldn't figure out what joker to use and then they just decided to use a psychopath in face paint.
But that's me and i'm anti-Nolan Batman.
I didn't say I didn't like him playing it...I just thought it was altogether...unremarkable.
It was not the darkest joker that has ever been portrayed. That goes to John DiMaggio. It wasn't the most insane joker ever portrayed. That goes to Mark Hamill. It wasn't the most humorous joker ever portrayed. That goes to Jack Nicholson.
It was a bit...disappointing when you take into consideration he won an academy award for it.
It did, but definitely not oscar-worthy.
Thiiiiis.
After, Forever and 'Robin, I can't exactly say that I'm against these movies. They were still a big step up from where the franchise was going. '89 and Returns are still my favourites film-wise. Ledger/Nolan Joker was... okay. As was mentioned, there was just nothing remarkable about him. It really bothers me to the fanboy core how we get this... yet you don't see idiots walking around quoting any Hamill lines(except me, grill cheese sandwich anyone?). Maybe that's for the best.
Maybe this will cheer you up a bit.
I think this means that the Ledger Joker was memorable. Which he was. He became memorable with the pencil scene... which was definitely not a real magic trick.
But memorable...for what? Being mediocre at best, or because he was portrayed by an actor that died?
Also:
Awful sequels, both.
Also, because they've irrevocably ruined their respective series, if we forgot about these entries we could actually get Monkey Island and Maniac Mansion back on track, which is a big plus.
I just said. Memorable for doing a fake magic trick that jammed a pencil into some dude's eye.
That's pretty damn memorable.
Also, his voice, but I tend to pay close attention to voices in pretty much everything since that's something that really interests me. I don't know what it was about his voice, but it just walked out of the theater with me and no amount of doggy treats would get it to leave. I didn't even know who played that Joker until months after I saw the movie and even then, I remembered the performance well enough to link it with the actor.
Of course, I only have two experiences with Batman. The Nolan movies and Batman: The Animated Series. From an outsider's perspective, I thought the Ledger Joker got the job done of convincing me that letting him run around was a near guarantee that more people would get pencils jammed in their eyesockets. Whether or not this is classical Joker, I don't know, but for the Nolan movies, which are already pretty dark, I think something less psychopathy wouldn't have worked as well.
I like Ledger's Joker quite a bit more than DiMaggio's or Nicholson's, and I'm not sure where it stacks up against Mark Hamill's, but I definitely feel the performance was excellent, nuanced, and Oscar-worthy.
We will have to agree to disagree. I found his performance to be what heath ledger's performance was trying to be: Brutal and twisted. I also loved Under the Red Hood because it explored a side to batman that was never really explored in any of the animated series' so far.
Anyways, shouldn't this kind of discussion be taken to the Batman thread? I thought this one was about crappy video games?
After watching the clip, I found that, ignoring the laughing bits, if I listened to the dialogue without the video, DiMaggio's Joker almost sounded like he could have been a villain in a Western. I don't really know why, except that now I'm envisioning the Joker wearing a cowboy hat. Also, his voice is just too deep for the transfer into the laughing to happen naturally... I could almost hear the division between takes at those bits. Having said that, I do like his voice, I just feel like he would fit a role more as a Lawful/Neutral Evil villain... like as an evil banker or something.
No way man. All I hear is Bender's voice all through that.
And that's why I think his joker is horrible. The joker is supposed to be scary because he is batshit crazy and because of the things he does...not because of the way he talks... Again, I point to John DiMaggio for the example of a better dark knight version of the joker.
And the fact is he still has his classic twisted humor.
to take from the top comments:
The bolded part is like the weirdest counter-argument ever that completely misses the point of what I said. Maybe I should've been clearer, but my argument was NOT just about the way he talks, but about EVERYTHING related to him in the movie: behaviour, actions, etc.
It's like if he tried a little harder he would have been hilarious.
Ah, I think I see why you don't like Ledger now. I actually agree that Ledger is not funny or darkly funny. But I don't think he was actually trying to be funny. I mean, his introduction scene (well, not counting the bank heist as introduction) with the pencil magic trick immediately established his sense of humor as... well... humourish only for the character himself. It's really twisted, which, for me, makes him even more disturbing as a character (and that's why I love his depiction in TDK so much).
It's a very different take on the Joker, and I can see why you don't like it, but I personally love it.
Back on track. This games puzzle's suck.
This. God awful 3d implementation. the first two were not in 3d and they were fine...stick to what you do best.
Did anyone mention it? I really can't be having this game at all.
This game however needs to go to a pit and die.