Emotions are a powerful thing. Its why the dumb (Ben) get defended and the strong (Lily) get demonized. Yes, Lily was a bitch but I never heard Lily say she was doing something 'for her family' or 'for her Dad'. Her actions are always in the best intentions of 'the group'.But because she doesnt sugar coat her words; peoples panties get all wadded.
Meanwhile the dumbest living human being still left on Earth; the same one who effectively HALVED your groups chances of survival, will probably make it right to the ZA finish line because his pretty little blue eyes keep saying "Im sowwy' to everyone, and to them this is ok- keeping an idiot who's nice but get rid of the 'bad lady' who talks mean
Yeah, Lilly's just all kinds of warm fuzzies. Are you sure we're playing the same game?
I wonder what game you're playing? also what's your opinion of Kenny?
That's the beauty of this game.People can see different weakness and strengths in the characters they interact with.The choices and paths you choose to follow will add to the difference we see in each of them.
But the Governor won't be the only character Kirkman and Bonansinga focus on in "The Road to Woodbury." There's also Lilly, a character very important to the "Walking Dead" mythology for reasons that are far too spoilery to dive into here. Kirkman promised that there's "a whole lot more" to learn about Lilly, who is also featured prominently in Telltale's recently released "Walking Dead" video game.
I got 'The Rise of the Governor' last night to read in preparation for 'The Road to Woodbury'. I don't really know what to expect but I'm looking forward to it.
I just hope the whole game/comic Lilly thing is sorted out for when the book hits shelves.
I got 'The Rise of the Governor' last night to read in preparation for 'The Road to Woodbury'. I don't really know what to expect but I'm looking forward to it.
I just hope the whole game/comic Lilly thing is sorted out for when the book hits shelves.
I've read like 20% of "The Rise of the Governor". It is definitely a fast read and I enjoy it quite a lot.
Yeah, Lilly's just all kinds of warm fuzzies. Are you sure we're playing the same game?
Lily on EP2 can be seen looking down smiling at Clementine while she plays rackit ball, And when she saw Mark with a arrow in his shoulder, she immediately said "Are you going to be okay?" meaning she DID care, shes not a bad person--at episode 3 she was just incredibly stressed depressed and dealing with loss, Its not that shes irrational, or that shes a "Bitch", its that it would infact suck to be her, and shes not going to cope with what happened with Kenny and lack of food, medicine being stolen, ETC happening, its why she said she just wanted a week of silence.
And I like Kenny and lily, but I would have rathered my storyline go towards lily even after the unfortunate loss of Carley because it was always more interesting when she was calling the shots, Nothing justifies what she did, but if you pay careful attention to the scene shes also scared that she did it.
And I wasn't with Lily until episode 2, after the uhh...you know what.
Correct me if it was Carley at the mark shoulder scene
Lily on EP2 can be seen looking down smiling at Clementine while she plays rackit ball..."
Seriously? She deadpanned Clem and smiled at her dad! As for the rest...
"Throw'em to the walkers" *yells*
"Are you okay?" *simpers*
"What the hell were you thinking?" *yells*
"You're a real piece of crap"
and she says the last one, whether you're her "friend" or not, the minute you try to defuse the situation by taking the blame. At best she's bipolar, even before her father died.
Seriously? She deadpanned Clem and smiled at her dad! As for the rest...
"Throw'em to the walkers" *yells*
"Are you okay?" *simpers*
"What the hell were you thinking?" *yells*
"You're a real piece of crap"
and she says the last one, whether you're her "friend" or not, the minute you try to defuse the situation by taking the blame. At best she's bipolar, even before her father died.
Maybe that's because you weren't treating her good as well? You should see how Kenny treats you when you're bad to him.
Seriously? She deadpanned Clem and smiled at her dad! As for the rest...
"Throw'em to the walkers" *yells*
"Are you okay?" *simpers*
"What the hell were you thinking?" *yells*
"You're a real piece of crap"
and she says the last one, whether you're her "friend" or not, the minute you try to defuse the situation by taking the blame. At best she's bipolar, even before her father died.
Having seen the scene again, I see your point, my mistake.
As for the throw them to the walkers and what the hell do you think your doing--I never agreed with Lily until the stolen car supplies, and after episode 2 kind of went against Kenny, as for the last one, it's "I know your capable of being a real piece of shit, But I know it wasn't you, not with her in your life", and it was a heated debate that led to this so its not very fair, friend or not.
Do keep it mind I don't agree with what lily was trying to do and after that point i'm not Upset shes gone, hah although the game did seem much more interesting when she was around, maybe something will change in EP4, I can only wait and see.
Her tone was moderately better overall, but Lee was still "a piece of crap" if he tried deflect blame. Their motivation may be different, but ultimately Kenny and Lilly are very much alike.
Her tone was moderately better overall, but Lee was still "a piece of crap" if he tried deflect blame. Their motivation may be different, but ultimately Kenny and Lilly are very much alike.
I fail to see any similarities.
As for "a piece of crap" maybe the meat locker scene isn't the only thing she takes into account. I didn't really try to blame it on me so I don't know if she would call me that.
I know. At the very least, consider that they both operate from fear.
The thing is that we do not exactly agree as to what person Lilly exactly is. The way you see her might be similar to Kenny, but the way I see her has nothing in common with him.
I find more similarities between her and Rick, than her and Kenny.
You mean the guy who said, "You kill, you die", that guy? I think Rick would have been more sympathetic with Kenny's decision in the meat locker than he would have been with Lilly shooting Carley in the face.
As for "a piece of crap" maybe the meat locker scene isn't the only thing she takes into account. I didn't really try to blame it on me so I don't know if she would call me that.
They both operate with this 'in my corner or FU' mentality (but thats game design more than character design)
They both are take-charge; pro active type people; neither is very passive
Heres the gem though and pretty much undeniable:
Lilly is looking out for the group.
Kenny is looking out for his family and mad as hell when you arent doing the same.
One is truly selfless but has the charm of a broken chainsaw; the other is the epitome of selfishness but dons the 'for MY FAMILY' armor to keep an honorable face to his self-centered deeds.
But hey, Kenny is still my boy
You mean the guy who said, "You kill, you die", that guy? I think Rick would have been more sympathetic with Kenny's decision in the meat locker than he would have been with Lilly shooting Carley in the face.
Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...
Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...
Yep. Well I'm sure Lilly and Rick would get along until they realize what happened in the prison and who was involved. Oh... I demand such scene... this will be truly epic.
Cyreen, why would we leave the motor inn? We had a well barricaded place, with rooms where everyone can hide from rain/snow and cold. Macon was close and we have a constant source of supplies and meds. Yeah there are bandits but had Ben told us, I'm sure we would've though of a way to deal with them.
What is there on the road? Cold weather, no place to sleep or hide, no supplies. Uncertainty, constant danger, sleep deprivation due to lack of security and big chances on stumbling on bigger hostile group of people (more bandits, Woodbury, Negan) or even a herd.
By December (this should be roughly the month of ep. 3) all big groups are already settled. What would be looking on the road?
So yeah, I would stay with Lilly and the group in the motor inn than run towards the unknown with Kenny in the RV. Let's not forget that nobody really wanted to go except for him.
Macon was close and we have a constant source of supplies and meds. Yeah there are bandits but had Ben told us, I'm sure we would've though of a way to deal with them.
The supplies in Macon were exhausted. They didn't have power at the motor inn, there was no heat. They had no reason to stay and fight it out with the bandits, who obviously outnumbered them.
Really, all the bandits had to do was pick them off when they went scavenging. Hell, if any of them could actually shoot, they could have picked off the sentry on the top of the RV from wherever Jolene was filming from.
There was really no reason to stay. Kenny and Lee were ALONE outside the walls. The bandits could have easily picked off two of the biggest threats to them with little to no trouble at that scene in episode 3. And all the other times they were forced to go on supply runs. Whoever was on watch could have easily been killed. It was only a matter of time, and not that much of it, until the bandits killed someone, or even worse, more than one person.
With all the food from the station wagon, plus the week's worth of (rationed) food still at the motor inn, they could have lasted for at least a month on the road. Plenty of time to find a new place to hole up for the winter, or get on that train that we ran into and head for the coast. The risks of staying in Macon far outweighed the benefits. Not freezing to death is fine and dandy, but I find that staying (marginally) warm isn't much comfort if I have enough arrow shafts sticking out of me to build an entire new section of the wall.
As evidenced by the arrows in the perimeter fence? What Ben did was incredibly stupid, but it probably bought them a few days grace. Lilly would never have agreed to deal with the bandits and the bandits wouldn't have left them alone otherwise. They were outgunned and it was just a matter of time.
As evidenced by the arrows in the perimeter fence? What Ben did was incredibly stupid, but it probably bought them a few days grace. Lilly would never have agreed to deal with the bandits and the bandits wouldn't have left them alone otherwise. They were outgunned and it was just a matter of time.
As evidenced by the arrows in the perimeter fence? What Ben did was incredibly stupid, but it probably bought them a few days grace. Lilly would never have agreed to deal with the bandits and the bandits wouldn't have left them alone otherwise. They were outgunned and it was just a matter of time.
I've always accepted them as a bunch of idiots. Most of them can't even use a gun properly. Their strength is in numbers but we are not sure how many of them are there.
Rick spent a lot of time in that state and he never met them. I guess they aren't as organized and as powerful as you make them to be.
Look what Lee, Lilly and Carley (if you have her) did to them. They didn't even understand what hit them.
With a little recon and strategy (Lilly worked in the Air Force so he might have some knowledge even if she's not an expert) their days would be numbered.
Plus I'm not convinced they have as much firepower as you apparently think. They're mostly using bows and arrows.
They don't have to be organized, they just have to have the numbers and guns. They very definitely outnumbered 5 adults and 3 kids and our group weren't a bunch of sharp shooters either. Lilly was administrative Air Force (ooh scary!), she could shoot and so could Carley, however Kenny was right, the bandits could come in the middle the night and they'd all be dead. As it was, they came in broad daylight and had the entire group down on their knees. The motor inn was begging to fall. It was fine against walkers, but otherwise they were screwed.
They don't have to be organized, they just have to have the numbers and guns. They very definitely outnumbered 5 adults and 3 kids and our group weren't a bunch of sharp shooters either. Lilly was administrative Air Force (ooh scary!), she could shoot and so could Carley, however Kenny was right, the bandits could come in the middle the night and they'd all be dead. As it was, they came in broad daylight and had the entire group down on their knees. The motor inn was begging to fall. It was fine against walkers, but otherwise they were screwed.
Ben was on watch.. that's why he says sorry, when they pack into the RV.
If Lilly was on watch that would never happen. In ep. 2 she hears/notices Lee and the injured teacher like 30 seconds before they actually become visible.
She might have been only administrative Air Force but I'm sure being around such people had taught her things. As I said, I'm not saying she's professional but we can bet she will be better than let's say Ben... or Kenny (if we consider his way of saving his family in ep. 2).
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Meanwhile the dumbest living human being still left on Earth; the same one who effectively HALVED your groups chances of survival, will probably make it right to the ZA finish line because his pretty little blue eyes keep saying "Im sowwy' to everyone, and to them this is ok- keeping an idiot who's nice but get rid of the 'bad lady' who talks mean
I wonder what game you're playing? also what's your opinion of Kenny?
That's the beauty of this game.People can see different weakness and strengths in the characters they interact with.The choices and paths you choose to follow will add to the difference we see in each of them.
I just hope the whole game/comic Lilly thing is sorted out for when the book hits shelves.
I've read like 20% of "The Rise of the Governor". It is definitely a fast read and I enjoy it quite a lot.
I dunno, Kenny's always been situational with me. And high maintenance.
Once Lilly had my back, I felt I had her support and didn't need to work on it.
.....still feel I had to "buy" it though.
Buy Lilly's support? How so?
Lily on EP2 can be seen looking down smiling at Clementine while she plays rackit ball, And when she saw Mark with a arrow in his shoulder, she immediately said "Are you going to be okay?" meaning she DID care, shes not a bad person--at episode 3 she was just incredibly stressed depressed and dealing with loss, Its not that shes irrational, or that shes a "Bitch", its that it would infact suck to be her, and shes not going to cope with what happened with Kenny and lack of food, medicine being stolen, ETC happening, its why she said she just wanted a week of silence.
And I like Kenny and lily, but I would have rathered my storyline go towards lily even after the unfortunate loss of Carley because it was always more interesting when she was calling the shots, Nothing justifies what she did, but if you pay careful attention to the scene shes also scared that she did it.
And I wasn't with Lily until episode 2, after the uhh...you know what.
Correct me if it was Carley at the mark shoulder scene
Seriously? She deadpanned Clem and smiled at her dad! As for the rest...
"Throw'em to the walkers" *yells*
"Are you okay?" *simpers*
"What the hell were you thinking?" *yells*
"You're a real piece of crap"
and she says the last one, whether you're her "friend" or not, the minute you try to defuse the situation by taking the blame. At best she's bipolar, even before her father died.
With 4 chest compressions.
Maybe that's because you weren't treating her good as well? You should see how Kenny treats you when you're bad to him.
Having seen the scene again, I see your point, my mistake.
As for the throw them to the walkers and what the hell do you think your doing--I never agreed with Lily until the stolen car supplies, and after episode 2 kind of went against Kenny, as for the last one, it's "I know your capable of being a real piece of shit, But I know it wasn't you, not with her in your life", and it was a heated debate that led to this so its not very fair, friend or not.
Do keep it mind I don't agree with what lily was trying to do and after that point i'm not Upset shes gone, hah although the game did seem much more interesting when she was around, maybe something will change in EP4, I can only wait and see.
I wasn't kissing anyone's ass, I make decisions based on the situation. I helped Lilly in the meat locker.
And she treated you with distrust?
I fail to see any similarities.
As for "a piece of crap" maybe the meat locker scene isn't the only thing she takes into account. I didn't really try to blame it on me so I don't know if she would call me that.
I know. At the very least, consider that they both operate from fear.
The thing is that we do not exactly agree as to what person Lilly exactly is. The way you see her might be similar to Kenny, but the way I see her has nothing in common with him.
I find more similarities between her and Rick, than her and Kenny.
You mean the guy who said, "You kill, you die", that guy? I think Rick would have been more sympathetic with Kenny's decision in the meat locker than he would have been with Lilly shooting Carley in the face.
They both operate with this 'in my corner or FU' mentality (but thats game design more than character design)
They both are take-charge; pro active type people; neither is very passive
Heres the gem though and pretty much undeniable:
Lilly is looking out for the group.
Kenny is looking out for his family and mad as hell when you arent doing the same.
One is truly selfless but has the charm of a broken chainsaw; the other is the epitome of selfishness but dons the 'for MY FAMILY' armor to keep an honorable face to his self-centered deeds.
But hey, Kenny is still my boy
Right, that's why they couldn't leave the motor inn due to its proximity to the pharmacy, for the good of the group.
Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...
Yep. Well I'm sure Lilly and Rick would get along until they realize what happened in the prison and who was involved. Oh... I demand such scene... this will be truly epic.
Cyreen, why would we leave the motor inn? We had a well barricaded place, with rooms where everyone can hide from rain/snow and cold. Macon was close and we have a constant source of supplies and meds. Yeah there are bandits but had Ben told us, I'm sure we would've though of a way to deal with them.
What is there on the road? Cold weather, no place to sleep or hide, no supplies. Uncertainty, constant danger, sleep deprivation due to lack of security and big chances on stumbling on bigger hostile group of people (more bandits, Woodbury, Negan) or even a herd.
By December (this should be roughly the month of ep. 3) all big groups are already settled. What would be looking on the road?
So yeah, I would stay with Lilly and the group in the motor inn than run towards the unknown with Kenny in the RV. Let's not forget that nobody really wanted to go except for him.
Keep in mind, after Larry died she had no reason other than supplies to stay in Macon, and she was still pushing to stay.
She could have doubted Kenny saying the supplies were exhausted due to the fact that he had been pushing for the group to leave sense EP2
Just some informative theories on why she would want to stay, it makes no sense to me, Larry died so why stay near the pharmacy?
Infact being in the motor inn would kind of be hard considering who had died was there with her for months.
You tolerate Lee, don't you?
Im sorry can you replace those asterisks with the actual words? I'm slow
Mitigating circumstances. Didn't eliminate his "you kill, you die" rule.
The supplies in Macon were exhausted. They didn't have power at the motor inn, there was no heat. They had no reason to stay and fight it out with the bandits, who obviously outnumbered them.
Really, all the bandits had to do was pick them off when they went scavenging. Hell, if any of them could actually shoot, they could have picked off the sentry on the top of the RV from wherever Jolene was filming from.
With all the food from the station wagon, plus the week's worth of (rationed) food still at the motor inn, they could have lasted for at least a month on the road. Plenty of time to find a new place to hole up for the winter, or get on that train that we ran into and head for the coast. The risks of staying in Macon far outweighed the benefits. Not freezing to death is fine and dandy, but I find that staying (marginally) warm isn't much comfort if I have enough arrow shafts sticking out of me to build an entire new section of the wall.
Seems like a pretty obvious choice.
I don't necessarily see it as certain death. Had Ben informed the camp about the bandits we could've dealt with them.
Lee?
A few arrows in a fence equals outgunned?
I've always accepted them as a bunch of idiots. Most of them can't even use a gun properly. Their strength is in numbers but we are not sure how many of them are there.
Rick spent a lot of time in that state and he never met them. I guess they aren't as organized and as powerful as you make them to be.
Look what Lee, Lilly and Carley (if you have her) did to them. They didn't even understand what hit them.
With a little recon and strategy (Lilly worked in the Air Force so he might have some knowledge even if she's not an expert) their days would be numbered.
Plus I'm not convinced they have as much firepower as you apparently think. They're mostly using bows and arrows.
Apparently one way in, and a second story for better coverage and defense.
Edit: They just didn't set it up right.....
Ben was on watch.. that's why he says sorry, when they pack into the RV.
If Lilly was on watch that would never happen. In ep. 2 she hears/notices Lee and the injured teacher like 30 seconds before they actually become visible.
She might have been only administrative Air Force but I'm sure being around such people had taught her things. As I said, I'm not saying she's professional but we can bet she will be better than let's say Ben... or Kenny (if we consider his way of saving his family in ep. 2).