I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack.
I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place.
Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.
My Lee managed to kill about 5 of those bandits. I don't give Lily credit for killing 1 bandit, especially after she blew Carley away.
Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.
Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.
I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.
I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.
Ben isn't a heroic character. He's a coward. While everyone has done something unexpected, they've stayed in character. Ben isn't likely to redeem himself.
What Ben did was foolish and naive, but it was well-intentioned. The bandits claimed that they had a friend, and he knew that as long as the bandits (with superior firepower mind you) were pissed, they will keep attacking, and we can't really expect the group to hold off forever. He gave a few critical supplies to stall the bandits, and it worked; Lee states that the bandits suddenly stopped attacking. I think we know why. He regrets his actions, but I'm only disappointed that he didn't discuss with the group first. If it were up to me, I'd bribe the bandits a bit before blazing out of there in the middle of the night.
I do not blame him for Carley's death nor for Lilly's idiocy. No, I blame LILLY for her stupidity. Yeah she's damn good with a gun and is incredibly useful, but who gave her the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? She not only shot the wrong person, she shot the person for the wrong reason; being called out as a psycho bitch is no reason for shooting someone in cold blood, and shooting Carley or Doug isn't really going to make our supplies magically come back. Lilly wasn't even sorry that she killed a member of the group.
It's people like her that are a danger to the group. Ben's only as guilty as Duck would be.
If Ben hadn't given the bandits supplies they would have attacked and/or demanded tribute anyway.
You can actually talk down the bandits but Lilly shoots the leader, starting the attack.
It's Lilly's fault, not Ben's.
Are you fucking my ass right now? How come he didn't tell us shit and let us take care of it or leave the motel. Oh but I think it's ok that Lilly not shooting them when they have our people and take all our meds is totally fine.
Lilly knew the bandits would attack again and she refused to leave. Most of the people there were willing to leave as long as they had a plan.
Considering Lilly shot Carley in the face for sassing her, I can understand why Ben was a little hesitant to 1) confess he did it and 2) discuss it with the group.
In short, Lilly's insane and Ben didn't want her shooting everyone in the face.
really? I consider him the dead-weight guy. Not a kid that needs protecting but not an adult that can hold his own, and after ep 3 being alive is his last remaining good quality
Ben is still a kid. His responsibilities pre-apoc were grades and school sports. He is scared but he has redeeming qualities. When you first meet Ben and the others, he cares more about the well being of his teacher than his own safety. When he gives the bandits supplies it's out of poor judgement. He tends to be a burden on the group because of his youth and judgement but I don't wish the kid dead any more than Clementine.
Edit: I have a hard time believing 99% of the people criticizing Ben would have shown fortitude in the same situation.
As some famous dead guy who I'm too lazy to google said. United we stand, divided we fall. By not bothering to consult with the group Ben divided us and we ALL see how well that went.
I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!
I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!
Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.
We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.
Before that, actually. I watched the trailer where Lilly says that someone has been taking things, and I have no idea why, but as soon as I saw Ben on watch I said to myself "Yup, it's him alright."
Yeah, I kind of expected it. So I vented by threatening him when he confessed.
Douchebag that he is. He's directly responsible for the death of Carley/Doug. Carley, I might add, apart from the intimacy, saved my Lee's life at least four times.
He better start $hitting antibiotics, guns and ammo if he wants to get back into my good books.
I did initially suspect him, then in a strange moment I suspected that Lilly was the one who was doing it and was accusing someone else just to cover her tracks.
I did initially suspect him, then in a strange moment I suspected that Lilly was the one who was doing it and was accusing someone else just to cover her tracks.
I thought that for a second as well. But then I wondered why she would tell us about it in the first place if she did. The group had no clue the supplies were being stolen.
I thought that for a second as well. But then I wondered why she would tell us about it in the first place if she did. The group had no clue the supplies were being stolen.
Yeah, but she was paranoid. She could have suspected that someone was watching HER and about to tell so she could have tossed out the accusation before she was found out.
Of course that's not the way it went down but it was a nice theory that lived in my head for a while
Yeah, I did. Part of it was just I trusted everybody else except Ben.
yeah me to, i only just thought that maybe it could have been kenny for the pain of his gunshot
did anybody else think it was weird that during the argument with lilly about who the traitor is, you can get to a point where talking about Ben Lee says "He's broken" i thought that meant he had basically confessed and we all knew, why couldn't i mention that again?
I actually thought it was Carley... she acted really irrational in that scene. I mean she knew it wasn't her obviously and there was nobody left but Ben. Instead of saying that it must be him she started defending him and even worse, talking back to Lilly... She kinda brought this on herself.
Had she told us that I must've been Ben, she would be alive, Lilly would still be with the group and the traitor would be identified/eliminated. Now as I think of it I don't think she ever stated her opinion out loud. She didn't take the security of this group seriously enough and for that she looked guilty as hell in my eyes.
I actually thought it was Carley... she acted really irrational in that scene. I mean she knew it wasn't her obviously and there was nobody left but Ben. Instead of saying that it must be him she started defending him and even worse, talking back to Lilly... She kinda brought this on herself.
Had she told us that I must've been Ben, she would be alive, Lilly would still be with the group and the traitor would be identified/eliminated. Now as I think of it I don't think she ever stated her opinion out loud. She didn't take the security of this group seriously enough and for that she looked guilty as hell in my eyes.
you can say that Ben had broken so Lilly knew it was ben before she killed Carley for insulting her
^ Carley defended Ben heavily when Lilly accused him. If it was her, she wouldn't defend him so extremely hard but would feel fine for someone "innocent" being accused. For me the suspects were in this order:
Ben (freaked out when asked)- Lilly herself (getting freaky, maybe wanting to cause trouble herself), Kenny (being egocentric all game for his family, maybe stacking supplies for when leaving the group).
Carley was the last person I would think to steal supplies due to her behaviour and talking
I honestly thought that he didn't do it. I thought it was Lilly herself. I think that Ben was probably going to confess if Kenny hadn't run over that walker with the RV.
I don't get it, feeding supplies to the bandits bought the group a moment of peace and they were clearly doing better supply wise at the beginning of ep. 3 than ep. 2.
My thoughts up until the confession was "whatever." Yeah, it was stupid that it was kept secret from the group, but the whole time I was pretty sure that the benefits meant that whoever was doing it had a valid reason.
In fact, the whole 'confession' about a friend being held hostage was just damn stupid, it was unnecessary and over-written.
I think people are more butthurt about Carley being killed than the treason.
I think the issue is that the group already had a deal with the bandits(as you can tell from Lee already mentioning the deal during the fight) and then Ben was giving them food and supplies on top of what was already being taken instead of saying that the bandits are planning an attack and they must leave asap.
Instead, Ben sat there and did what they said, and now Lilly is gone and Duck, Katjaa, and Doug/Carley are dead.
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My Lee managed to kill about 5 of those bandits. I don't give Lily credit for killing 1 bandit, especially after she blew Carley away.
I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.
And he ate the last of the Candy.
What Ben did was foolish and naive, but it was well-intentioned. The bandits claimed that they had a friend, and he knew that as long as the bandits (with superior firepower mind you) were pissed, they will keep attacking, and we can't really expect the group to hold off forever. He gave a few critical supplies to stall the bandits, and it worked; Lee states that the bandits suddenly stopped attacking. I think we know why. He regrets his actions, but I'm only disappointed that he didn't discuss with the group first. If it were up to me, I'd bribe the bandits a bit before blazing out of there in the middle of the night.
I do not blame him for Carley's death nor for Lilly's idiocy. No, I blame LILLY for her stupidity. Yeah she's damn good with a gun and is incredibly useful, but who gave her the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? She not only shot the wrong person, she shot the person for the wrong reason; being called out as a psycho bitch is no reason for shooting someone in cold blood, and shooting Carley or Doug isn't really going to make our supplies magically come back. Lilly wasn't even sorry that she killed a member of the group.
It's people like her that are a danger to the group. Ben's only as guilty as Duck would be.
Are you fucking my ass right now? How come he didn't tell us shit and let us take care of it or leave the motel. Oh but I think it's ok that Lilly not shooting them when they have our people and take all our meds is totally fine.
Considering Lilly shot Carley in the face for sassing her, I can understand why Ben was a little hesitant to 1) confess he did it and 2) discuss it with the group.
In short, Lilly's insane and Ben didn't want her shooting everyone in the face.
Ben is still a kid. His responsibilities pre-apoc were grades and school sports. He is scared but he has redeeming qualities. When you first meet Ben and the others, he cares more about the well being of his teacher than his own safety. When he gives the bandits supplies it's out of poor judgement. He tends to be a burden on the group because of his youth and judgement but I don't wish the kid dead any more than Clementine.
Edit: I have a hard time believing 99% of the people criticizing Ben would have shown fortitude in the same situation.
Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.
We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.
Douchebag that he is. He's directly responsible for the death of Carley/Doug. Carley, I might add, apart from the intimacy, saved my Lee's life at least four times.
He better start $hitting antibiotics, guns and ammo if he wants to get back into my good books.
So yes, it was obvious it was Ben.
Plus I think the facial animations were great.
I thought that for a second as well. But then I wondered why she would tell us about it in the first place if she did. The group had no clue the supplies were being stolen.
Yeah, but she was paranoid. She could have suspected that someone was watching HER and about to tell so she could have tossed out the accusation before she was found out.
Of course that's not the way it went down but it was a nice theory that lived in my head for a while
yeah me to, i only just thought that maybe it could have been kenny for the pain of his gunshot
did anybody else think it was weird that during the argument with lilly about who the traitor is, you can get to a point where talking about Ben Lee says "He's broken" i thought that meant he had basically confessed and we all knew, why couldn't i mention that again?
That's valid. You didn't misunderstand anything.
Had she told us that I must've been Ben, she would be alive, Lilly would still be with the group and the traitor would be identified/eliminated. Now as I think of it I don't think she ever stated her opinion out loud. She didn't take the security of this group seriously enough and for that she looked guilty as hell in my eyes.
^ Carley defended Ben heavily when Lilly accused him. If it was her, she wouldn't defend him so extremely hard but would feel fine for someone "innocent" being accused. For me the suspects were in this order:
Ben (freaked out when asked)- Lilly herself (getting freaky, maybe wanting to cause trouble herself), Kenny (being egocentric all game for his family, maybe stacking supplies for when leaving the group).
Carley was the last person I would think to steal supplies due to her behaviour and talking
My thoughts up until the confession was "whatever." Yeah, it was stupid that it was kept secret from the group, but the whole time I was pretty sure that the benefits meant that whoever was doing it had a valid reason.
In fact, the whole 'confession' about a friend being held hostage was just damn stupid, it was unnecessary and over-written.
I think people are more butthurt about Carley being killed than the treason.
Instead, Ben sat there and did what they said, and now Lilly is gone and Duck, Katjaa, and Doug/Carley are dead.