And let our group get sick? Ben stashed our meds outside so the bandits can come in and take it. Don't you remember in episode 2 when Mark got shot and we attempted to take out the bandits so they wouldn't hurt us? If he had told us we would've dealt with the situation.
^You mean when the bandits were shouting "You broke your part of the deal!" or somesuch? It was never implied who had the deal and some of the early conversations made it seem as if nobody really knew why they bandits were leaving them alone, they were just relieved that they were.
Unless I missed some convo options aside from that, the deal that was broken was supposed to be the supply bag left in the ventilation shaft, no?
I think the issue is that the group already had a deal with the bandits(as you can tell from Lee already mentioning the deal during the fight) and then Ben was giving them food and supplies on top of what was already being taken instead of saying that the bandits are planning an attack and they must leave asap.
Instead, Ben sat there and did what they said, and now Lilly is gone and Duck, Katjaa, and Doug/Carley are dead.
No, Lee figured out that someone was working with them so he lied and made it seem like the group knew about the deal so they wouldn't hurt someone and enough time for Lilly to make her shot.
No the group didn't have a deal with the bandits already. Lee just figured out there was one from the dialog and tried to calm things down. And yes Ben was a traitor and should be killed. At first I thought he was just feeding supplies to protect the camp, but think about all the clues you run in to. The guy was setting the camp up for a fall...
The number of bandits that assaulted the Motel was pretty high. Ep. 2 was just a recon op on a smaller camp to teach them a lesson. From the way the fortifications looked and the attack itself, I don't think the group was in any condition to deal with them.
A possible death by infection is still a better bet than a likely death by bandits. The only reason the group even made it out alive was because the gunshots drew zombies, I don't think they would have held up in a stand-up fight.
^You mean when the bandits were shouting "You broke your part of the deal!" or somesuch? It was never implied who had the deal and some of the early conversations made it seem as if nobody really knew why they bandits were leaving them alone, they were just relieved that they were.
Unless I missed some convo options aside from that, the deal that was broken was supposed to be the supply bag left in the ventilation shaft, no?
Did you not play the last episode completely? Ben said he did it because they were supposedly holding his friend but even when he figured out they were lying, he didn't tell us anything. They were supposed to get the package in the shaft but Lee took the evidence that someone was working with them by leaving the bandits a package.
The number of bandits that assaulted the Motel was pretty high. Ep. 2 was just a recon op on a smaller camp to teach them a lesson. From the way the fortifications looked and the attack itself, I don't think the group was in any condition to deal with them.
A possible death by infection is still a better bet than a likely death by bandits. The only reason the group even made it out alive was because the gunshots drew zombies, I don't think they would have held up in a stand-up fight.
Or we could have at left the place so we wouldn't deal with them, Our fight with the bandits opened up our defenses letting walkers in, biting duck and pushing Kat to suicide.
Or we could have at left the place so we wouldn't deal with them, Our fight with the bandits opened up our defenses letting walkers in, biting duck and pushing Kat to suicide.
Sorry, that last remark was for Gman, stealthed a comment in the middle.
It didn't look like anyone was ready to move at the beginning anyway. Kenny was talking about moving on for 4 months and Lilly and Doug were content as-is. The group needed a kick in the ass to move, and a full scale assault did just that.
As for getting Duck killed, wasn't it a dream come true to some players?
Sorry, that last remark was for Gman, stealthed a comment in the middle.
It didn't look like anyone was ready to move at the beginning anyway. Kenny was talking about moving on for 4 months and Lilly and Doug were content as-is. The group needed a kick in the ass to move, and a full scale assault did just that.
As for getting Duck killed, wasn't it a dream come true to some players?
How the hell were they expecting a full on assault when they didn't even know until that episode that a deal was going on at all. If they knew they would've done something plus, Ben straight up lied to our group.
From all the arrows in the wall on the outside and Lee's comments, that wasn't the first time they'd dealt with the bandits, but it was the first time they'd breached the perimeter.
When we got back from the drug store you should've seen the multiple arrows on the side of the motel's barricade, the bandits are ruthless, and they'll always crave for more to survive, they've killed students, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, we should have left the Motel, but Lilly insisted on staying past the winter.
Sure, Ben lied to us and got 3 people killed but the true reality is that, he delayed the attack, the bandit were sure to find our camp someday, they were going to threaten us, we can't just pretend Ben is the Enemy here, Lilly convinced herself it was safe to stay at the Motel and that "stealing was equivalent to killing", it was a stupid reason, her paranoia got to the best of her and got Carley shot, it was only medicine right? we got more from the Drug store with Kenny anyways.
Lilly even said "Oh, so Kenny can kill my dad, but someone can steal?", she even pointed a gun at Ben on my playthrough, she's no better than Kenny.
And to be fair, at first I thought it was Ben's fault too, but you have to think things through first.
I don't hate Lilly but people need to wake up and see that it wasn't Ben's fault, and drop the "Kill Ben" thing because they actually believe it was Ben's fault that Carley died.
Yeah the bandits knew where they were all along. Remember that crazy lady spying on them with the camcorder in the woods? It's pretty sure that they had tried to approach before specially with the arrows.
What I found odd was that Ben said they were holding his friend and he believed them. WHAT FRIEND? It was just he, the teacher and another guy in the woods that day right? The friend got bitten right away and we know the fate of the teacher so who was he talking about and why still lying?
I thought he did it because right after the bandits went to the motel and everyone was in the RV he whispered "I'm sorry...". Why the heck would you say sorry if you had nothing to do with it? And also, when he was saying he would do this for a month and do that for a month, it also gave it away that he had something to do with it. To tell you the honest truth, even though I knew he did it, I still was on his side, i dont know why but I was, but when Doug/Carley got shot, I just started to hate him. If he only said he did it from the get go, everything would have went waaaaaaaaaaaay more somoother in the episode........except for kenny and katjaa, they're still screwed.
When we got back from the drug store you should've seen the multiple arrows on the side of the motel's barricade, the bandits are ruthless, and they'll always crave for more to survive, they've killed students, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, we should have left the Motel, but Lilly insisted on staying past the winter.
Sure, Ben lied to us and got 3 people killed but the true reality is that, he delayed the attack, the bandit were sure to find our camp someday, they were going to threaten us, we can't just pretend Ben is the Enemy here, Lilly convinced herself it was safe to stay at the Motel and that "stealing was equivalent to killing", it was a stupid reason, her paranoia got to the best of her and got Carley shot, it was only medicine right? we got more from the Drug store with Kenny anyways.
Lilly even said "Oh, so Kenny can kill my dad, but someone can steal?", she even pointed a gun at Ben on my playthrough, she's no better than Kenny.
And to be fair, at first I thought it was Ben's fault too, but you have to think things through first.
I don't hate Lilly but people need to wake up and see that it wasn't Ben's fault, and drop the "Kill Ben" thing because they actually believe it was Ben's fault that Carley died.
The truth is that Ben were giving them our supplies without telling a word.
I thought It was Ben.Because he was on the patrol again.Then the freak out about flashlight etc but when Carley died I didnt even cared about betrayal or something.And when Katjaa and Duck died I forgot about that
Well at first I thought it was Ben but after i showed the broken flashlight to Carley she kind of acted as if she did it aswell...but then i thought maybe she knew all about Ben and his intentions....you know kind of like when she knew everything about Lee....so i believe Carley knew about Ben and that's why she kept defending Ben and that lead to her death
Like I said somewhere else, knowing what you know now and playing through Episode 1, it's obvious that Lilly is a nutjob. That video "The Silent Treatment" lets you get a good sense of everyone's personality in that argument and I get the feeling most people, like me, were trying to get on her good side and be diplomatic.
But if you just sit back and let her talk? Holy crap, she's a total monster.
I didn't pick this up before I saw a playthrough, but as soon as they escape the motel, before Lilly says anything, Ben says "I'm sorry."
Yeah. When they were on the RV and Ben said that line, I was like "You little turd!! I wish I had the choice to leave you behind with your other classmates on EP2!" :mad:
Like I said somewhere else, knowing what you know now and playing through Episode 1, it's obvious that Lilly is a nutjob. That video "The Silent Treatment" lets you get a good sense of everyone's personality in that argument and I get the feeling most people, like me, were trying to get on her good side and be diplomatic.
But if you just sit back and let her talk? Holy crap, she's a total monster.
I suspected him as soon as I asked him about the broken flashlight, back at the motor inn.
Wasn't 100 percent sure. Like 90 percent.
The other 10 was on Carley, cause of her reaction too.
I suspected him, when it was clearly not lilly's paranoia, and someone had been taking and leaving stuff for someone . I could only think of him who had come into contact with the bandits
I must be the only one who suspected Kenny of doing it, I never suspected Carly, was no reason for her to do it, Ben I thought was too chicken to do anything like that, so it could really only have been Kenny in my mind so was a surprise when found out it was Ben
Actually I didint suspect anyone ,I tought that someone from the outside ,maybe bandits ,was stealing medicine.But when Ben addmited that he was stealing from the camp I was really surprised and realised that from now on anyone can stab a knife in your back.
Well, I couldn't tell, but I knew Carley wouldn't lie to me, still it could have been another person, ie Lilly herself. Its legit though that its Ben, he's just a frightened kid, even Clem is more adult...
I always thought it was either Ben or Lilly. I know Ben is always nervous about stuff but he was getting way too panicky for it not be him. I also had a feeling Lilly might have just been trying to make all of it up so it looked like someone else done it and she was trying to figure out who.
At first I had a little suspicion of Ben, but thought I was probably unjustified in going straight for the new guy. I had a little bit of a worry that it might have been Carley, mainly because she'd be about the worst person for Lee to have to condemn. I wasn't certain enough of either to name anyone in the RV - I read Ben's "I'm sorry" as a generalised "Oh shit" line rather than an admission of responsibility. It was during the confrontation when I thought I figured it out - see my thread here - I figured Kenny had the most motive, not trusting Lilly's assurances that they could defend the motel and figuring that the only way to protect his family was to go behind her back and pay off the bandits. Guess I was wrong - good thing the game didn't let me follow up on that "It was someone else" line.
Umm did everyone miss the X on the wall or something? Says to me that Ben may of been marking a weak point into the camp...As I said I suspect he was setting up the camp for a fall. Most likely being told "Kid we are going to take your camp and women no matter what you do. Best to just help us and we'll let you join us when its done." I mean otherwise why wouldn't he tell the group? Why and when was he meeting up with the bandits in the first place? People are down playing what Ben did....
Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.
We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.
It's because a lot of people had invested in Lilly and were trying to nurture a romance with her, so they're in total battered spouse syndrome right now ignoring that she was always screwed up from the day they met her.
Seriously, she tried to throw Clementine and Duck TO THE ZOMBIES.
Lee: "But they're just kids!"
Lilly: "The zombies out there don't care!"
She always plays the victim then goes right for the throat.
Ben was on watch and he tried to brush off the broken flashlight with a joke. My first response was, "Why not just admit the flashlight so we can handle Lilly's craziness as soon as possible?" And then I found the meds...
Before the bandit attacks, my mind kept darting between Ben and Carley because they were so flippant in the situation.
Ben with his stuttering and nervous jokes and Carley because she kept glancing around awkwardly when confronted with the questions.
It made it all even worse when you found out who it really was.
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Unless I missed some convo options aside from that, the deal that was broken was supposed to be the supply bag left in the ventilation shaft, no?
No, Lee figured out that someone was working with them so he lied and made it seem like the group knew about the deal so they wouldn't hurt someone and enough time for Lilly to make her shot.
A possible death by infection is still a better bet than a likely death by bandits. The only reason the group even made it out alive was because the gunshots drew zombies, I don't think they would have held up in a stand-up fight.
Did you not play the last episode completely? Ben said he did it because they were supposedly holding his friend but even when he figured out they were lying, he didn't tell us anything. They were supposed to get the package in the shaft but Lee took the evidence that someone was working with them by leaving the bandits a package.
Or we could have at left the place so we wouldn't deal with them, Our fight with the bandits opened up our defenses letting walkers in, biting duck and pushing Kat to suicide.
Sorry, that last remark was for Gman, stealthed a comment in the middle.
It didn't look like anyone was ready to move at the beginning anyway. Kenny was talking about moving on for 4 months and Lilly and Doug were content as-is. The group needed a kick in the ass to move, and a full scale assault did just that.
As for getting Duck killed, wasn't it a dream come true to some players?
How the hell were they expecting a full on assault when they didn't even know until that episode that a deal was going on at all. If they knew they would've done something plus, Ben straight up lied to our group.
Sure, Ben lied to us and got 3 people killed but the true reality is that, he delayed the attack, the bandit were sure to find our camp someday, they were going to threaten us, we can't just pretend Ben is the Enemy here, Lilly convinced herself it was safe to stay at the Motel and that "stealing was equivalent to killing", it was a stupid reason, her paranoia got to the best of her and got Carley shot, it was only medicine right? we got more from the Drug store with Kenny anyways.
Lilly even said "Oh, so Kenny can kill my dad, but someone can steal?", she even pointed a gun at Ben on my playthrough, she's no better than Kenny.
And to be fair, at first I thought it was Ben's fault too, but you have to think things through first.
I don't hate Lilly but people need to wake up and see that it wasn't Ben's fault, and drop the "Kill Ben" thing because they actually believe it was Ben's fault that Carley died.
What I found odd was that Ben said they were holding his friend and he believed them. WHAT FRIEND? It was just he, the teacher and another guy in the woods that day right? The friend got bitten right away and we know the fate of the teacher so who was he talking about and why still lying?
The truth is that Ben were giving them our supplies without telling a word.
Yep. What also bugged me... He was on watch, so how did the bandits get so easily into the motel? There was no warning whatsoever.
Wow...I can't believe I just said that.
tl;dr, it's all Lilly's fault.
Thank you, someone who understands.
Like I said somewhere else, knowing what you know now and playing through Episode 1, it's obvious that Lilly is a nutjob. That video "The Silent Treatment" lets you get a good sense of everyone's personality in that argument and I get the feeling most people, like me, were trying to get on her good side and be diplomatic.
But if you just sit back and let her talk? Holy crap, she's a total monster.
Yeah. When they were on the RV and Ben said that line, I was like "You little turd!! I wish I had the choice to leave you behind with your other classmates on EP2!" :mad:
Wow, really?
I better check that out.
Wasn't 100 percent sure. Like 90 percent.
The other 10 was on Carley, cause of her reaction too.
i wonder how many of you are full of 'swears' here
no, note it took ben to be alone with lee, also probably considering his actions and to suicide by train..
i kinda wish lee could of pushed him off the train... a bit like dangling omid over the bridge lol
I dont care if he has a family, i dont care if its front of clementine, and i dont care even if its during a reunion with someone he knows.
Hes going down.
He's going to die. It seems almost a sure thing.
I thought he might have if given another minute or so.
It's because a lot of people had invested in Lilly and were trying to nurture a romance with her, so they're in total battered spouse syndrome right now ignoring that she was always screwed up from the day they met her.
Seriously, she tried to throw Clementine and Duck TO THE ZOMBIES.
Lee: "But they're just kids!"
Lilly: "The zombies out there don't care!"
She always plays the victim then goes right for the throat.
Ben with his stuttering and nervous jokes and Carley because she kept glancing around awkwardly when confronted with the questions.
It made it all even worse when you found out who it really was.