I'd been trying to be rational and compassionate to almost every character so far, but when I found out it was Ben I just snapped straight to the angry option. Up until then I even had an awful feeling that it actually was Carley, which is why I was so angered to find out it was him.
I threatened him too. i didn't feel guilty. If there was an option to throw him off the train i would have taken it. Hopefully you can kill him in Ep 4
If the choice comes up to kill Ben I think it shouldn't be as easy as shooting or throwing/leaving him to the walkers. It should be dealt with in a similar fashion to Andy St John, which means you have to repeatedly click on Ben to administer punches and kicks as he pleads for his life. This would be a lot more personal and horrific vengeful act and would possibly make the player think more about their decision. Remember Telltale doesn't like to give the player the easy option when it comes to characters that are disliked.
Well perhaps a damn hot blonde zombie or "Jenny Pitcher" will seduce him and then... bite He is a student and I don't know... in the typical american horror movies they die in a kinda odd situation
Anyways Ben did bring absolutley nothing to the table so if he goes away I wouldn't care. lol
How quickly they forget!
Didn't Ben originally bring three months of food to the table?
It's not his fault he's not an acre of good, Iowa farmland.
if Ben get's to live a few more years he is guaranteed to turn into the most awesome person to have ever existed, he is probably gonna save the world from the zombie apocalypse, then invent free energy, replicators and spaceships capable of warp speed, then he would suggest world peace and everyone would agree to it, he would then ascend to become a higher being and learn ALL knowledge
I guess it's a shame that Kenny will most likely find out, because Ben's guilt will force him to say something, and then gets turned into a red mist in the face of Kenny's unbridled and uncontrolled rage.
If Ben had presented this problem when it first arose to the group, none of this would have happened.
Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?
Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.
Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?
Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.
yeah, she was going to kill him and she didn't even know why he had done it, so even if he did tell her once he realised he had been conned into a bad situation, the best he could expect from lilly would be exile from the group or death as it would be otherwise known as for ben
Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?
Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.
"Guys, the bandits are trying to extort supplies from us. And they might have my friend, Im not sure but thats what they say"
This part. At the start of Ep 3. Dont tell me he's too scared to open his mouth...to anyone. If you're too scared to communicate, then leave the group.
We are not a babysitting service, we are a group of people relying on each other to make it through this ZA. Ben is not reliable at all, he has (or maybe you all picture him as having) this illusion he is some outsider, yet he is fed and sheltered and keep safe by these people he just betrayed and got killed.
Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?
Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.
She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him. They would've banished him from the group. That's it!
Carley died because she started talking back in the worst possible moment. Had she said it wasn't her and that it must have been Ben, he would crack and admit it was him.
Defending the guy who almost got the entire group killed isn't something to be proud of. She was obstructing the law! (Lee)
She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him. They would've banished him from the group. That's it!
Carley died because she started talking back in the worst possible moment. Had she said it wasn't her and that it must have been Ben, he would crack and admit it was him.
Defending the guy who almost got the entire group killed isn't something to be proud of. She was obstructing the law! (Lee)
As much as I like Lily; somebody was definitely dying that night
Im sure she was seeing Red the minute they had to leave the motel and in the way they had to do it.
you can argue that carley see's the best in everyone she did protect lee in ep1, a lot bigger than stealing,
but having a weak link is how these things go, the weak will always seek out the strong for protection and in doing so are unaware of the consequences of their actions..
ben being naive/stupid/retarded into believing 'bandits' any smart person would ask for proof life and evidence before risking others but no a scared kid is always selfish and stupid..
imo these types should be dealt with no hand holding or sympathy they should be punished true a bullet to the head is extreme and the end of the matter.
imo it's like all these k stew and rpatz should get back together groups, one side cheated with the stupid notion they wouldn't be caught, they allowed them selves to be 'convinced it was worth the risk' it's pathetic, retarded logic that kills..
so to sum up ben (who happens to be the spitting image of an old schoolmate who was pretty much a combo of kenny and larry) should be punished..i think some close calls with a few walkers will do the job nicely..
you can argue that carley see's the best in everyone she did protect lee in ep1, a lot bigger than stealing,
but having a weak link is how these things go, the weak will always seek out the strong for protection and in doing so are unaware of the consequences of their actions..
ben being naive/stupid/retarded into believing 'bandits' any smart person would ask for proof life and evidence before risking others but no a scared kid is always selfish and stupid..
imo these types should be dealt with no hand holding or sympathy they should be punished true a bullet to the head is extreme and the end of the matter.
imo it's like all these k stew and rpatz should get back together groups, one side cheated with the stupid notion they wouldn't be caught, they allowed them selves to be 'convinced it was worth the risk' it's pathetic, retarded logic that kills..
so to sum up ben (who happens to be the spitting image of an old schoolmate who was pretty much a combo of kenny and larry) should be punished..i think some close calls with a few walkers will do the job nicely..
If you saved Doug, Lilly shoves the gun in Ben's face on a hunch. So yeah, she would have killed him, and TRIED, but Doug saved him. Poor Doug, he was a true bro. And I wouldn't say that Lilly is a monster, she just lost it and overreacted. Heck, she was even sorry if she kills Doug: "It wasn't supposed to be him.", and she truly seems to think that Carley did it: "It was her, she couldn't be trusted." Plus, she seemed to be near tears to me, which is why I almost let her stay. She just seemed so sure of herself (if it was Carley that died).
Jesus, what the hell is wrong with you people? Wanting to kill Ben? He was a scared teenager who fucked up, are you all honestly telling me that at 16 or 17, none of you would freak out and make horrible decisions in a zombie-goddamn-apocalypse? He wanted to keep his group safe, he wanted to confirm the safety of his friends, absolutely nothing Ben has ever done was done because of an unkind or selfish thought. If "he messed up, let's throw him off the train" is a valid reasoning for any of you guys, I sure would hate to be a part of your group!
If you got people in my group killed, yeah, you would hate being a part of it.
An odd defense to use, considering Ben is one of the few people who hasn't directly killed anyone else in the group (considering Lily and Kenny). I could just as well say Carley should have died as punishment for the death of Doug, because we saved her and she had that gun!
You could only save one or the other and you didn't create the situation.
Ben's actions on the other hand, no one needed "saving" before he got the ball rolling and he created it.
Why don't we blame Lee for Mark's death, then? It is Lee who suggests that they can "check the perimeter" by themselves, which is what leads to eventual chopping off and eating of Mark's legs.
For that matter, let's blame Glenn for the everyone's death so far. He was the one that led us to the Motor Inn where everyone (save for Shaun and Carley/Doug) died. If we had never gone to motor inn, maybe everyone would still be alive.
Here's what I think would have happened had Ben not believed the bandits when they claimed they had his friend...They would have kept attacking the motor inn. They would have been unrelenting. We would have been forced to leave much sooner. We could have possibly saved more lives, but then again, we could have possibly lost more people in continuing Bandit attacks. Lilly would have still been on the brink of losing it - maybe we could have "stepped on eggshells" until Lilly could have a chance to heal. Or maybe she would have gone crazy and shot somebody at the drop of the hat. Pretty sure it would have been the latter, because she had a habit of becoming MORE hostile when things didn't go her way.
There would have been much more conflict down the line. The group would have still been fractured (losing people has a way to unite the survivors). Every member still would have been self-serving. I doubt Lilly would take very kindly to Chuck, Christa or Omid joining the group (based on her character when we first meet her, and then when Ben joins the group, she is inherently distrustful of newcomers).
So yes, Ben made a stupid decision. I still think that things wold have not necessarily been better had he NOT made the deal with the bandits. Hopefully we've ALL learned what happens when we keep secrets from one another, and how dangerous it can be. I don't believe that Ben is responsible for anyone's death. And now, we have the added benefit of him having to try harder to redeem himself.
Besides, I think Chuck teaches us a very valuable lesson - whatever we were, right now, WE ARE ALIVE. We shouldn't discriminate against each other like the bandits. Ben is, at his core, a good person. I don't think we can afford to discount him based on one bad decision.
Because a murderer can still perform a service, they're more likely to kill zombies during their exile. Those are zombies you don't have to deal with.
A Thief on the other hand, is sneaky - so they avoid stuff, and are thus of no value.
True story.
I agree on this point. Lee is living proof that a convicted killer is capable of caring for a child and helping people out. Shit happened for him. He lost control and he killed someone.
Stealing meds is another matter altogether. It's a calculated move. It didn't matter that Ben had good intensions - the fact was, he stole from the group when he should have consulted them about the dealings with the bandit.
I'm not saying that Ben is an evil person that deserved to be killed, but anyone who puts thought into making decisions that are detrimental to the team is of no value.
Why don't we blame Lee for Mark's death, then? It is Lee who suggests that they can "check the perimeter" by themselves, which is what leads to eventual chopping off and eating of Mark's legs.
Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair.
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I threatened him too. i didn't feel guilty. If there was an option to throw him off the train i would have taken it. Hopefully you can kill him in Ep 4
He was the LAST survivor of his old group.... and he's cut this group in HALF..... the kid is a walking menace whether he means to be or not..... lol
after update: i hate the hell out of ben
You mean the shotgun up against the back of her head because the supplies were taken out of their spot?
Ben didn't let the bandits into the motel. They stormed in and took it. They could have taken it whenever they wanted.
If Ben had presented this problem when it first arose to the group, none of this would have happened.
How quickly they forget!
Didn't Ben originally bring three months of food to the table?
It's not his fault he's not an acre of good, Iowa farmland.
You're thinking of Mr "IT'S PEOPLE"
The other pork.
Especially since Larry was on borrowed time.
Which part. The part where Lilly shoots Carley in the face for talking smack to her because she's crazy? Or the part where Lilly threatens to kill Ben for cutting a deal with bandits?
Because Ben was absolutely right in being terrified of Lilly. She's a monster.
yeah, she was going to kill him and she didn't even know why he had done it, so even if he did tell her once he realised he had been conned into a bad situation, the best he could expect from lilly would be exile from the group or death as it would be otherwise known as for ben
"Guys, the bandits are trying to extort supplies from us. And they might have my friend, Im not sure but thats what they say"
This part. At the start of Ep 3. Dont tell me he's too scared to open his mouth...to anyone. If you're too scared to communicate, then leave the group.
We are not a babysitting service, we are a group of people relying on each other to make it through this ZA. Ben is not reliable at all, he has (or maybe you all picture him as having) this illusion he is some outsider, yet he is fed and sheltered and keep safe by these people he just betrayed and got killed.
The idiot that gets everyone killed.
She's not a monster and she wouldn't have killed him. They would've banished him from the group. That's it!
Carley died because she started talking back in the worst possible moment. Had she said it wasn't her and that it must have been Ben, he would crack and admit it was him.
Defending the guy who almost got the entire group killed isn't something to be proud of. She was obstructing the law! (Lee)
As much as I like Lily; somebody was definitely dying that night
Im sure she was seeing Red the minute they had to leave the motel and in the way they had to do it.
Evidently you haven't played the Dougie version?
Does this mean that maybe they're reversed?
Maybe Doug is an idiot and Ben is in fact a mastermind?
I think Doug just tripped into the bullet; he wasnt the most agile in the group nor very lucky.
but having a weak link is how these things go, the weak will always seek out the strong for protection and in doing so are unaware of the consequences of their actions..
ben being naive/stupid/retarded into believing 'bandits' any smart person would ask for proof life and evidence before risking others but no a scared kid is always selfish and stupid..
imo these types should be dealt with no hand holding or sympathy they should be punished true a bullet to the head is extreme and the end of the matter.
imo it's like all these k stew and rpatz should get back together groups, one side cheated with the stupid notion they wouldn't be caught, they allowed them selves to be 'convinced it was worth the risk' it's pathetic, retarded logic that kills..
so to sum up ben (who happens to be the spitting image of an old schoolmate who was pretty much a combo of kenny and larry) should be punished..i think some close calls with a few walkers will do the job nicely..
:eek: do i know you?
I do find it interesting that the penalty for murder is banishment, while stealing and lying seem warrant the death penalty.
A Thief on the other hand, is sneaky - so they avoid stuff, and are thus of no value.
True story.
An odd defense to use, considering Ben is one of the few people who hasn't directly killed anyone else in the group (considering Lily and Kenny). I could just as well say Carley should have died as punishment for the death of Doug, because we saved her and she had that gun!
That's just... lulzworthy.
You could only save one or the other and you didn't create the situation.
Ben's actions on the other hand, no one needed "saving" before he got the ball rolling and he created it.
Why don't we blame Lee for Mark's death, then? It is Lee who suggests that they can "check the perimeter" by themselves, which is what leads to eventual chopping off and eating of Mark's legs.
For that matter, let's blame Glenn for the everyone's death so far. He was the one that led us to the Motor Inn where everyone (save for Shaun and Carley/Doug) died. If we had never gone to motor inn, maybe everyone would still be alive.
Here's what I think would have happened had Ben not believed the bandits when they claimed they had his friend...They would have kept attacking the motor inn. They would have been unrelenting. We would have been forced to leave much sooner. We could have possibly saved more lives, but then again, we could have possibly lost more people in continuing Bandit attacks. Lilly would have still been on the brink of losing it - maybe we could have "stepped on eggshells" until Lilly could have a chance to heal. Or maybe she would have gone crazy and shot somebody at the drop of the hat. Pretty sure it would have been the latter, because she had a habit of becoming MORE hostile when things didn't go her way.
There would have been much more conflict down the line. The group would have still been fractured (losing people has a way to unite the survivors). Every member still would have been self-serving. I doubt Lilly would take very kindly to Chuck, Christa or Omid joining the group (based on her character when we first meet her, and then when Ben joins the group, she is inherently distrustful of newcomers).
So yes, Ben made a stupid decision. I still think that things wold have not necessarily been better had he NOT made the deal with the bandits. Hopefully we've ALL learned what happens when we keep secrets from one another, and how dangerous it can be. I don't believe that Ben is responsible for anyone's death. And now, we have the added benefit of him having to try harder to redeem himself.
Besides, I think Chuck teaches us a very valuable lesson - whatever we were, right now, WE ARE ALIVE. We shouldn't discriminate against each other like the bandits. Ben is, at his core, a good person. I don't think we can afford to discount him based on one bad decision.
Agreed. I also think that had he not made a deal with the bandits, he would have been the first casualty.
I agree on this point. Lee is living proof that a convicted killer is capable of caring for a child and helping people out. Shit happened for him. He lost control and he killed someone.
Stealing meds is another matter altogether. It's a calculated move. It didn't matter that Ben had good intensions - the fact was, he stole from the group when he should have consulted them about the dealings with the bandit.
I'm not saying that Ben is an evil person that deserved to be killed, but anyone who puts thought into making decisions that are detrimental to the team is of no value.
Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair.
dread you have no idea