Aggressive TWD comments on TTG blog in entries for entirely different franchises
Let me just say something first. I love The Walking Dead so far. I think it's the best thing Telltale's done since The Devil's Playhouse, and I'm not complaining about the game itself in any way.
However, it seems like the game is bringing in a lot of people who, what's the nicest way to say this...aren't interested in being part of the community.
You're unhappy with the release schedule? Fine. I admit Telltale needs to communicate stuff like this better myself. But it seems like that's all that's ever discussed anymore. It'd be nice if we could at least keep that stuff contained to a single "release date bitching" thread.
But what really gets me is how the blog posts about the Sam and Max/Monkey Island sales got flooded with comments going "Don't care, where's the next Walking Dead episode?" Maybe it's just because I love Sam and Max and Monkey Island, but that kind of stuff just really rubs me the wrong way.
I mean, let's be fair, everyone's new at first. You don't need to have an in-depth knowledge of Telltale's library to be here (though it helps
). And no, you don't have to care about those games. But keep it to yourself, especially if you're going to use it as an excuse to segue into something completely irrelevant. What would you think if, the next time Telltale did a Walking Dead-related blog post, I went "Don't care, where's Sam and Max Season 4?" Or how about I go into every single thread you make and say "Don't care, go buy my new book?" You'd probably think I was a huge jackass, and you'd be correct. Since apparently apathy needs to be broadcasted, I really don't care that you don't care.
Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get this off my chest.
However, it seems like the game is bringing in a lot of people who, what's the nicest way to say this...aren't interested in being part of the community.
You're unhappy with the release schedule? Fine. I admit Telltale needs to communicate stuff like this better myself. But it seems like that's all that's ever discussed anymore. It'd be nice if we could at least keep that stuff contained to a single "release date bitching" thread.
But what really gets me is how the blog posts about the Sam and Max/Monkey Island sales got flooded with comments going "Don't care, where's the next Walking Dead episode?" Maybe it's just because I love Sam and Max and Monkey Island, but that kind of stuff just really rubs me the wrong way.
I mean, let's be fair, everyone's new at first. You don't need to have an in-depth knowledge of Telltale's library to be here (though it helps
). And no, you don't have to care about those games. But keep it to yourself, especially if you're going to use it as an excuse to segue into something completely irrelevant. What would you think if, the next time Telltale did a Walking Dead-related blog post, I went "Don't care, where's Sam and Max Season 4?" Or how about I go into every single thread you make and say "Don't care, go buy my new book?" You'd probably think I was a huge jackass, and you'd be correct. Since apparently apathy needs to be broadcasted, I really don't care that you don't care.Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get this off my chest.
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But these guys are not the tip of the iceberg, they are the brunt of the unsocial lot. Those who are happy to wait two months for their 4$-15 minute-comic fix, but not even one for a 5$-2 hour game. A minority, I am sure of it. Behind the forum walls, as you can see, things aren't exactly peachy, but at least the moderators can separate complaints from insults and, as is most relevant here, Walking Dead stuff from the other games.
Telltale has chosen not to make that separation in their blog posts, certainly an admirable anti-censorship effort, but with a potential of inter-community conflict that I personally would not risk. If I could edit blog comments, I'd certainly unpack the axe, I can tell you. Right now, those few purposefully disruptive commenters risk that the old ToMI/S&M community mistakes their behavior for that of any Walking Dead fan, which would, among other things, lead to stark opposition to a second Season.
I see very few of the old crew in the TWD subforums, and that hurts. I concede there's a definite old TTG fanbase - new TTG fanbase hostility going on, which just has to stop.
I was taught patience and good things come to those who wait by my parents.I enjoy the episodic nature of these games, especially since I haven't bought a game since May and probably will only buy Assassin's creed 3 before the year's end.
I don't really care that it takes two instead of one month to finish because I know that I will get what I paid for.People have a right complain if they want, but people tend to be rude assholes about it in most situations. I belive in treating people as I would hope to be treated by them.I'm SO glad that I don't have to deal with the general public in my job.
This generation seems to be all now,now,now and me,me,me.
Damn,I'm turning into my grandfather :eek:
Instant gratification.
It is bigger than just this game, that's the consumer culture. I am sure all of us are like that with certain things. Some of us can just hold our patience better than others with this particular thing.
I'm guessing you're not familiar with Sam & Max. The Devil's Playground is AWESOME. Check out some Youtube walkthroughs to get a feel.
That's a shame. I may be relatively new to the forum, but I've been a Telltale customer for much longer (I have my Sam & Max Surfin' print framed on my office wall).
It appears that the corrupt data save glitch triggers upon playing the latest Episode (Episode 2 or 3) on the 3rd Save Slot. It happens either before the 1st Chapter of the episode even starts, or during, but it happens. I Thought the latest patch fixed the problem (since I was able to finally complete Episode 2 on all 3 Save Slots), but apparently not, since all my saves got wiped clean upon playing Episode 3 on the 3rd Save Slot.
I'm excited about Episode 4, but not about trying to recapture previous playthrough choices by replaying all Episodes over again differently. There's no excuse for it. That's the way I see Telltale shitting on their new fans.
I'm not an adventure gamer.... at least not this kind of adventure gaming. At All.
And the chances of me deviating into some of TTG's other works are probably slim, though I'll never say impossible. I did get into Minecraft recently, a game I avoided like the plague for the longest time... so you never know.
That said, I think people (read: NEW PEOPLE) need to realize that they are guests here and act accordingly. Bitching, whining, ranting and making general asses of themselves about this and that (as stated by the op and I feel no need to copy him) is counterproductive and these people should really take a step back and stop acting like entitled hyperactive children.
It's embarrassing, annoying to those of us who are new here and want a new place to post, and most importantly.... will not get you what you want, nor make anyone take your mindlessly repetitive crying seriously.
I raised my own concerns about the release dates while waiting for episode 2, but after playing it I was content to wait. I've enjoyed their story and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. Hopefully folks will mellow out a bit as the season progresses.
EDIT: I forgot to thank OP for the thread title. It has inspired me to find ways to work "shitting up" into future conversation.
And as much as I may occasionally gripe on the choice system, ultimately no game is truly a choice driven game. You have limited options as it is without budget constraints so you will have to accept that sometimes the choices do not always yield wildly different results. Mass Effect had quite a few choices, but a lot of them didn't do squat to change the main plot. They just altered peripheral elements and side plots. Other than that, things in the main plot were pretty clearly defined if only slightly changed in tone. You still did the suicide mission in the same order, you still fought Saren, you still reached a specific sequence of events in the end of each game, etc. Not to diss Mass Effect at all (except for ME3's ending), but it's just the truth about the relative infancy of gaming. It is still restricted to programming and coding, no matter how much choice it claims to offer.
lmao! omg my stomach hurts. I can't stop laughing.
The idea is that during one of their cases, Max randomly gains powers from toys(yes toys), and must figure out why he has such a power and deal with the power after his power. Since Max gets powers from toys, his powers are usually with a general theme of that toy(a toy phone gives you teleportation to any phone number you know, those toy goggles with the pictures on them grants you future-vision, a deck of cards is mind reading etc...)
Yes, complaints are perfectly fine. The issue are the people that flat out insult people that disagree with them/start posting in random areas like the Sam and Max blogposts.
To be completely fair, Mass Effect's DLC issue was that of the fact a character that was crucial to a sidestory that has been developing since the first game(that of the lost prothean race), was cut out as DLC and was set aside as launch day DLC to make matters worse(and the ending)
and Skyrim's issue is that the DLC is terrible, and the last one has literally been a mod for months now.
When TTG promises monthly episodes and people spend $25 up front for them, what do you expect when TTG doesn't deliver? And doesn't communicate?
Surely 99.99% agree that TTG sucks at actively communicating to the fanbase.
I expect them to make their case calmly to Telltale's support and in the forum, in the correct threads. After they had been informed of a delay that would affect all episodes, I expected them to show a bit of anger, then understanding. Certainly not badly acted surprise and forced going berserk every time they get confirmation of what they have already been told.
This thread is hardly the right place to discuss this, because the focus is on those people who post inopportune messages on the blog with the explicit and only intent to disrupt and disturb, regardless of the topic of the blog post.
I insist that these people are not representative of the Walking Dead fanbase.
Complaining is, was and will always be OK. No need to ask, because you're already sure of it. But there are ways to do it and ways not to do it. The only thing we might need to be in agreement here is that on a blog post concerning Sam & Max, the comment deserves a head nailed to the floor.
Because everyone is a hipster forty y/o that's played every bioware game all the way back to shattered steel bro, nice joke. It's not like playing those games is a pre-requisite to signing up to a forum in the first place.
I am a hardcore Bioware fan since KOTOR and I can say I have plenty of fair reasons why I hated the ME3 ending. Not because it didn't give me an action ending (though there was technically no reason not to seeing how it was in both of the other games), but for all the logic, thematic and continuity errors or violations that unraveled the entire narrative. I will not bore you with that unless you want to ask (I have had this chat with plenty of lovers and haters of the ending who are the type of people you explained and it's exhausting).
The problem is not with the complaints but how we address them. It is one thing to say "The Walking Dead has bugs! Your game sucks balls!" versus "I noticed that there were some frame rate problems as this scene transitioned to process my choice. Perhaps for the next episode you could..." We have to be respectful and suggest means to improve rather than to tear down. However, we can't ignore problems out of fear of being "ungrateful gamers." The customer has to like the product and if they don't, they have every right to respectfully voice their complaints.
It is just the nature of the Internet that most people assume they have anonymity to say whatever simple and juvenile remark they can with no consequence. So it is up to us to rise above that and be responsible consumers. There are ungrateful gamers, but that does not give anyone, developer or fan, the right to yell back at them "Shut up and just play the game!" That's being just as ungrateful and childish.
If Telltale really cared about keeping this forum a more happy enviroment they'd try a different approach but that hasn't happened as far as I've seen. Others have saw fit to make excuses for them but as far as I see it, it wouldn't harm them that much to step in more often and address peoples bigger complaints head on and get the word out better to what's going on behind the scenes, especially European Ps3 customer.
But... no big deal. Things will calm down after Episode 5 and you'll have your community back I should imagine, for what it's worth.
It's a broad statement which I'd rather address elsewhere as well, but here we go.
First, we have to distinguish between valid and invalid complaints. For the sake of brevity, here's what I consider very valid complaints at this time:
Opposed to this, the following things I consider invalid:
To get this thread back on track, I will add that I see ye olde fanbase commenting far less on the latter "issues". They understand what episodic releases mean, and they've experienced two to six of Telltale's games "live" before, so they're far more patient in these respects. They're waving the delays off because they don't really see a problem, and they're having trouble seeing the louder complainers as anything but bothersome. So when those old fanbase members head to the blog and see a Sam & Max entry spammed with such exaggerated impatience, they justly get irate. But they also blame the TWD franchise for it or generalize TWD fans as a mob, and that is quite an unjust assumption.
But complaining about complaining is usually counter-productive.
Yep, Goldrock, how does the fact that fans have come in at ME or DA discredit their opinion of the endings? I know many people that have been with BioWare since Baldur's Gate and they hate the ending all the same. After all, it is actually objectively bad according to the conventions of narrative story-telling.
But that might be because many people think the "real" ending is yet to come.
I digress, back on topic.
lol, more excuses. I was avoiding calling you out by name out of courtesy but I guess you couldn't help yourself. No, I'm pretty sure we won't see eye to eye on this then. And it's ironic that I lost my saves with the corruption problems on Episode 2, yet trusted them to address it. But to me getting the facts of the situation regarding the games release in Europe were more important to me. And I don't care what your opinion of me is because of that.
You're frustrated dealing with the problem yourself on this forum section, I get it, I've been there myself. You'd go a long way in addressing it come Episode 4's release by having a temporary dedicated sticky for Ps3 EU owners to check into for when the game might be released. A more mature discussion related to the delay may be unlikely, but at least it might do a better job of keeping it in one place as opposed to Sam and Max blog posts. Or you can continue on your current course and let things carry on as they have because you consider the complaining invalid. (La-la-la-la) It's entirely up to you!
You are also misquoting and generally not doing yourself a favour here, as it makes you look like an idiot (pardon for the french).
Side? He's not on my side, and there's no need to break out the worlds smallest violin for me. I'm just offering my critique of the situation to Vainamoinen after he quoted me and I'm not playing to an audience. I'm responding to him directly and considering he called my complaints infantile I'm not being over the top and hostile.
Hmm, maybe it was bad manners to truncate his post though but I did only address those two main points briefly. I figure he'll understand what I had to say but won't agree with it. And he's not obliged to, same way I'm not obliged to agree with him.
Call me whatever you want, I don't mind! If it makes you feel better go for it. I've said my piece and will be quite now.
These people really aren't really "community" though. Which isn't to say that new members can't come and voice concerns and comments. It's just that most of the time the whiners get the information they came to get and then start spreading misery over their supposed injustices, and then making demands and ultimatums and eventually leave.
I think it's all good though, people need a place to vent and give criticisms.