The thought of her as a male doesn't disturb me so much as I just prefer Vivian to be female. Transgenderism is perfectly acceptable grounds for me. Except for Bridget from Guilty Gear. That one does disturb me.
I totally understand. I think if the French translation was like the English one, the concept of Vivian being male would just "not work" for me. And I totally get preferring a translation to the original, especially if you had access to the translation first or only.
Here, from Donkey Kong:
Not only does he have nipples, but also a navel.
But when you think about it, is it really that much weirder than making them walk on their rear legs and wear human clothes?
Well, if you look at this page about King K. Rool, even though he doesn't seem to have nipples, he does have a navel and manboobs.
Including in Donkey Kong Country.
Which leads me to believe that it's anthropomorphism and not just a device to tell who's male and who's female (although obviously, it's the primary use of boobs on non-mammals).
I'm not alone! Every once in a while I'll catch myself trying to use TV Tropes vocabulary on here. And just tonight, I was having a conversation and found myself struggling to find an alternative way to say "lampshaded". And I started reading the site less than a month ago. It's true, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary. And damn fast, too.
Anthropomorphism: The only way you could make "Animals who are like, humans, but they're like, not" even less understandable.
Haha sorry, I didn't think of it as an obscure word. Technically it can apply to things other than animals, though. The C.O.P.S. are anthropomorphic machines for instance.
Although I guess it depends on your definition. "Anthropo" means human and "morph" is shape or form (I love how "form" is kinda like a backward version of "morph"). (EDIT: it comes from Greek, but nether "anthropo" nor "morph" are a complete Greek word either. I don't know much about Greek and Latin, my knowledge tends to stop at "this bit is used to mean that". Just to clarify.)
So technically I guess it should be things that are given human characteristics physically, but I feel it still applies for non-physical characteristics.
@Guru: yeah, I can spend a long time on TV Tropes, although not nearly as long as I can on wikipedia. I find it most useful to link to when you want to explain a concept or quickly find a list of examples, since, well, cataloging them is what it does.
I find that it adds to my vocabulary rather than take from it, though. There are some concepts that didn't really have a name before they gave it one (although it's not like they invented all of the words, either). The way I see it, that's why you end up having trouble finding other words for them: they don't exist.
Yeah, you're probably right about that. And I've had the Wikipedia problem too, but TV Tropes is so much more effective at completely killing a night for me. And while it does add to your vocabulary, that's what ruins it. Because I know if I'd said "lampshaded" in that conversation I had earlier tonight, my friend wouldn't have had any idea what I was talking about.
But you could have said "lampshaded" and then explained ("pointing out a flaw and making fun of it" for instance, although it would depend on the context), thereby enriching your friends vocabulary too
But yeah, I get you, if you become impossible to understand it does suck. But the way I see it, you're having trouble explaining a concept to someone who doesn't know a specific word, but if you didn't know that word either, you might not even identify the concept or wrap your mind around it. It would have been just as hard to express it, you just wouldn't have known that.
So you're still better off.
Plus a lot of the words are rather self-explanatory, which helps.
Hehe, I love doing Marshmallow Hell (didn't know there was a word for it!). It's sadistic and charitable at the same time, I love it!
Other links that aren't really tropes but discuss breast sizes:
- Conversion from "real sizes" to "comic/anime/manga sizes". That is, what's "average" in both, etc.
It seems wrong in that it puts the European cups as the same as the Japanese and different from the US/UK ones, and I can assure you that's US cups and EUR cups are the same.
- Useful note on bra sizes in case you don't know how they work.
I'm not alone! Every once in a while I'll catch myself trying to use TV Tropes vocabulary on here. And just tonight, I was having a conversation and found myself struggling to find an alternative way to say "lampshaded". And I started reading the site less than a month ago. It's true, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary. And damn fast, too.
Just so you know, the term "lampshade hanging" predates TVTropes by many years.
Just so you know, the term "lampshade hanging" predates TVTropes by many years.
Yeah, but I assume that's where he learned it. TV Tropes didn't invent most of the terms it's using, it took them from various sources, but that's still where a lot of people first heard of terms and therefore they contribute to its use.
Although I have to say I feel lampshade hanging was indeed commonly used before TV tropes even existed. This being said, now you're apparently supposed to say "lampshading" instead.
I was aware that lampshade hanging predated TV Tropes, but as Avistew surmised, that is where I learned it, so I assumed it to not be very widely used and therefore assumed that the person I was talking to wouldn't know it.
Its possible comic books could fill its own thread... its a balance of what is real and what people want to see... but that could be the very definition of all art
James Gurney would agree, but he doesn't really paint boobs with a certain... kick. You posted a picture from Adam Hughes, who always draws well-endowed women. I'll post links to his sites and a picture that pretty much defines his work.
-breaks character- AH... AHA... HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!! That's so awesome!!! -character again.- Who cares if they show that? It's the free market, and they can do whatever they please. If anyone has a problem with that, I suggest they develop a better product to compete.
This is a sad day, when nobody cares about boobs and/or art anymore
I gave the link to SeanT, but he didn't want to go there from work.
I think the knowledge that the thread is famous killed it off. Some people just don't want to be seen frequenting 'boob' threads. Others don't want to be seen frequenting 'art' threads.
Some people just liked it when it was 'their' thread, you know? Now it's 'everyone's'.
Man, I tried keeping to the topic and posting examples of wonderfully rendered breasts, but you guys didn't even bat an eye at them. Kids these days only care about Avistew's boobs.
Anyhoo, I found these cool pictures of female athletes. I think there was some discussion about the effect of breast size on an athlete's ability to perform? Maybe? Either way, have at them:
EDIT: Also what. Unless you're using steroids, you actually need to eat a lot in order to build that kind of muscle. So uh... yeah, I don't know what you're talking about, brah.
Besides, most (if not all) of the pictures Avistew posts seem to be of herself without a bra on under her clothes. I personally like photos of women better when they have support. No offense to Avistew, though. Really.
Wow those women need to stop working out and start eating again. They're a little too buff too be normal.
Riiight... because a woman's entire life should be devoted to making herself attractive to men, rather than the pursuit of excellence in something she loves.
Those photographs are interesting - I think it's cool how each woman's body is adapted to her chosen sport. For example, the pole vaulter (Stacy Dragella, third from left in 1st pic) has wide, strong shoulders, and the weightlifter (Tara Nott, third from left in 2nd pic) has a really strong core and developed thighs.
And then I guess in some cases particular women chose particular sports because their bodies are naturally shaped to have an advantage - the basketballers and high jumpers are really tall, the gymnasts and figure skaters are tiny and compact.
Besides, most (if not all) of the pictures Avistew posts seem to be of herself without a bra on under her clothes. I personally like photos of women better when they have support. No offense to Avistew, though. Really.
None taken
About the athletes, the TVtropes page (I think that's what you're talking about?) did mention that female athletes tended to have small (to almost nonexistent) breasts due to their low fat content (because they're muscular), but that outside of competition and professional sports, you could be athletic (in an average way) and have big breasts.
Just, obviously, you'd need to still have a fair amount of fat.
And while I personally don't think the most muscular ones of these women are particularly attractive, I do find the idea that a woman (or a person in general, really) needs to care about her appearance more than her passion offensive.
Obviously, being professional athletes, they're regularly checked by physicians and are healthy, and that's really what matters.
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I totally understand. I think if the French translation was like the English one, the concept of Vivian being male would just "not work" for me. And I totally get preferring a translation to the original, especially if you had access to the translation first or only.
Here, from Donkey Kong:
Not only does he have nipples, but also a navel.
But when you think about it, is it really that much weirder than making them walk on their rear legs and wear human clothes?
EDIT: Here, TV tropes has a list of examples.
Including in Donkey Kong Country.
Which leads me to believe that it's anthropomorphism and not just a device to tell who's male and who's female (although obviously, it's the primary use of boobs on non-mammals).
I'm not alone! Every once in a while I'll catch myself trying to use TV Tropes vocabulary on here. And just tonight, I was having a conversation and found myself struggling to find an alternative way to say "lampshaded". And I started reading the site less than a month ago. It's true, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary. And damn fast, too.
Haha sorry, I didn't think of it as an obscure word. Technically it can apply to things other than animals, though. The C.O.P.S. are anthropomorphic machines for instance.
Although I guess it depends on your definition. "Anthropo" means human and "morph" is shape or form (I love how "form" is kinda like a backward version of "morph"). (EDIT: it comes from Greek, but nether "anthropo" nor "morph" are a complete Greek word either. I don't know much about Greek and Latin, my knowledge tends to stop at "this bit is used to mean that". Just to clarify.)
So technically I guess it should be things that are given human characteristics physically, but I feel it still applies for non-physical characteristics.
@Guru: yeah, I can spend a long time on TV Tropes, although not nearly as long as I can on wikipedia. I find it most useful to link to when you want to explain a concept or quickly find a list of examples, since, well, cataloging them is what it does.
I find that it adds to my vocabulary rather than take from it, though. There are some concepts that didn't really have a name before they gave it one (although it's not like they invented all of the words, either). The way I see it, that's why you end up having trouble finding other words for them: they don't exist.
But yeah, I get you, if you become impossible to understand it does suck. But the way I see it, you're having trouble explaining a concept to someone who doesn't know a specific word, but if you didn't know that word either, you might not even identify the concept or wrap your mind around it. It would have been just as hard to express it, you just wouldn't have known that.
So you're still better off.
Plus a lot of the words are rather self-explanatory, which helps.
Buxom is Better
Big Breasts Big Deal
Most Common Superpower
Gainaxing (which is what the whole Dead or Alive conversation was about)
Boobs of Steel
Big Bra to Fill
Gag Boobs
Marshmallow Hell
Funbag Airbag
Thanks for the Mammaries
God, it's like going to a bad pun making factory!
Other links that aren't really tropes but discuss breast sizes:
- Conversion from "real sizes" to "comic/anime/manga sizes". That is, what's "average" in both, etc.
It seems wrong in that it puts the European cups as the same as the Japanese and different from the US/UK ones, and I can assure you that's US cups and EUR cups are the same.
- Useful note on bra sizes in case you don't know how they work.
Just so you know, the term "lampshade hanging" predates TVTropes by many years.
Yeah, but I assume that's where he learned it. TV Tropes didn't invent most of the terms it's using, it took them from various sources, but that's still where a lot of people first heard of terms and therefore they contribute to its use.
Although I have to say I feel lampshade hanging was indeed commonly used before TV tropes even existed. This being said, now you're apparently supposed to say "lampshading" instead.
James Gurney would agree, but he doesn't really paint boobs with a certain... kick. You posted a picture from Adam Hughes, who always draws well-endowed women. I'll post links to his sites and a picture that pretty much defines his work.
http://adamhughes.deviantart.com/
http://www.justsayah.com/
Adam Hughes never went to art school. He is entirely self-taught. It really doesn't show.
Then again, it's an active thread, it's probably the last updated thread often enough.
-breaks character- AH... AHA... HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!! That's so awesome!!! -character again.- Who cares if they show that? It's the free market, and they can do whatever they please. If anyone has a problem with that, I suggest they develop a better product to compete.
I gave the link to SeanT, but he didn't want to go there from work.
I think the knowledge that the thread is famous killed it off. Some people just don't want to be seen frequenting 'boob' threads. Others don't want to be seen frequenting 'art' threads.
Some people just liked it when it was 'their' thread, you know? Now it's 'everyone's'.
If you 'understand' what I'm 'saying'.
I care about boobs
Anyhoo, I found these cool pictures of female athletes. I think there was some discussion about the effect of breast size on an athlete's ability to perform? Maybe? Either way, have at them:
They are athletes.
EDIT: Also what. Unless you're using steroids, you actually need to eat a lot in order to build that kind of muscle. So uh... yeah, I don't know what you're talking about, brah.
You don't need to look inhuman to be athletes, dude.
Speak for yourself. I only care about this woman:
Besides, most (if not all) of the pictures Avistew posts seem to be of herself without a bra on under her clothes. I personally like photos of women better when they have support. No offense to Avistew, though. Really.
They look very much like humans and they're doing what they want to do. What's your problem?
also chyron, she's just kidding around
Riiight... because a woman's entire life should be devoted to making herself attractive to men, rather than the pursuit of excellence in something she loves.
Those photographs are interesting - I think it's cool how each woman's body is adapted to her chosen sport. For example, the pole vaulter (Stacy Dragella, third from left in 1st pic) has wide, strong shoulders, and the weightlifter (Tara Nott, third from left in 2nd pic) has a really strong core and developed thighs.
And then I guess in some cases particular women chose particular sports because their bodies are naturally shaped to have an advantage - the basketballers and high jumpers are really tall, the gymnasts and figure skaters are tiny and compact.
Thanks for posting the pics, DoctorCello.
None taken
About the athletes, the TVtropes page (I think that's what you're talking about?) did mention that female athletes tended to have small (to almost nonexistent) breasts due to their low fat content (because they're muscular), but that outside of competition and professional sports, you could be athletic (in an average way) and have big breasts.
Just, obviously, you'd need to still have a fair amount of fat.
And while I personally don't think the most muscular ones of these women are particularly attractive, I do find the idea that a woman (or a person in general, really) needs to care about her appearance more than her passion offensive.
Obviously, being professional athletes, they're regularly checked by physicians and are healthy, and that's really what matters.