This is something that both Russel and Steven discussed, while that episode was written. At that point, Moffat already was writing season 5, and they teamed up putting in some details.
Also, in "The next Doctor", Jackson is saying something like "Everyone will remember this event for centuries!" and the Doctor is like "Yeah... funny...".
Unfortunately I dont have a link that backs this up, but it was mentioned in Russels Book "The Writers Tale" somewhere.
This is something that both Russel and Steven discussed, while that episode was written. At that point, Moffat already was writing season 5, and they teamed up putting in some details.
Also, in "The next Doctor", Jackson is saying something like "Everyone will remember this event for centuries!" and the Doctor is like "Yeah... funny...".
Unfortunately I dont have a link that backs this up, but it was mentioned in Russels Book "The Writers Tale" somewhere.
I read on Dr Who wiki that Russtle let Steven plant hints in his storys this and the Daleks where the main ones (if not only ones)
There's a difference between being able to enjoy the Master and being able to "believe" the story being told. For example, I thought the Master was very well played, especially in EoT, but I rather hated the way that a lot of the plot elements were coming together, especially in the finale for series 3. It was too unbelievable, and therefore lost its magic.
There's a difference between being able to enjoy the Master and being able to "believe" the story being told. For example, I thought the Master was very well played, especially in EoT, but I rather hated the way that a lot of the plot elements were coming together, especially in the finale for series 3. It was too unbelievable, and therefore lost its magic.
I was able to belive it and enjoy in fiction when plot elements start to come togeather like it does so it didnt spoil anything for me. Thats why I love RTDs storys
Don't get me wrong, he can write some fantastic episodes. He just had trouble Finishing them. "The sound of Drums" for example was easily the best episode (for me) of series 3, but the following episode? Such a let down. They turned the doctor into a god, just because everyone thought of his name? WTF?
And the I didn't think the Stolen Earth/Journey hom two parter was wrapped up particularly well either. They just flipped a switch. Plus, dragging the earth home would have caused huge Tsunamis (given the amount of quaking they showed), plus the Moon would have catapulted out somewhere. And i didn't like how he made Aliens as a fact in modern society. If you could suspend disbelief, then his episodes were usually quite good, but they never seemed to finish quite right.
I wouldn't call him a bad writer (far from it. Without him, i wouldn't have even heard of Doctor who, and i doubt it would have been as successful), but i think Moffetis capable of much more. He's been able to take what Russel created (like the refference the finale throughout thing), and expand it into so much more. Like the cracks in time. I just love how we've been steadily finding out more as we go along, as opposed to just a few posters here and there, or a few refferences. Although it would be nice to have some more of those aswell!
@ Majus: I really need to pick that book up sometime. Any good?
It's not that spoilery. Everything in them i already either new about, or could have extrapolated. Thats not to say you should click it, but if you do, there nothing huge.
I admit I did feel a bit let down on journey's end but I think the dr becoming on a god on the last of the time lords works cos how it was explanined.
I thought it was bit too Deus ex Machina for my tastes. If i could change one thing about RTD's time, it would be that episodes ending. For example, if Martha had been gathering information on the specific date that the Master arrived (aswell as hope, to weaken the satellites grip on them, and allow the Paradox machine to be stopped) which she would tell the doctor/Jack upon her arrival aboard the station. Jack would then use this information to break the paradox machine, reversing time (and the doctors condition). Then the episode would carry on as normal. It doesn't sound as spectacular, but i think it would have made the episodes conclusion more fitting.
But i guess everyone has different Ideas for their perfect endings.
I think RTD missed a huge opportunity when he didn't take full advantage of the fact that he had two Doctors (10 and 10.5). I was so certain that the 10.5 Doctor was going to turn evil and find a way back to this universe to wreck havoc. And no one would know that it wasn't the original Doctor...
I still hope they do something with Donna-- a sort of re-awakening, someway to balance out what she's become. Of course, that seems unlikely now, but I can still hope, can't I?
Well if the Doctor Donna is supposed to be half Time Lord (I can't remember where I found that out from) doesn't that mean if something was going to kill Donna she would subconsciously regenerate?
I think RTD missed a huge opportunity when he didn't take full advantage of the fact that he had two Doctors (10 and 10.5). I was so certain that the 10.5 Doctor was going to turn evil and find a way back to this universe to wreck havoc. And no one would know that it wasn't the original Doctor...
Well, maybe thats what Moffats doing now?
Seeing as everyone thinks it is the doctor who's causing the end of the universe, as only he can control the TARDIS.
Seeing as everyone thinks it is the doctor who's causing the end of the universe, as only he can control the TARDIS.
This is consolation I suppose. But nothing could have beat the fact that RTD had a perfect excuse to make use of the evil twin thing and didn't use it. And now, with David Tennant out of the mix, it can't be used by anyone else either (except fanfic writers).
but her brain would burn out, which it for some reason didn't in The End of Time. (yeah, nifty plot hole you dug there RTD)
Seriously, why Didn't Donna's brain burn out at that point?
As I understand it the Doctor put some sort of defense mechanism in her brain that would trigger that knock-out wavey thing, whatever that was supposed to be, as well as wipe her memory a bit apparently, all triggered by her starting to remember. Of course, he never really did properly explain that one.
So, the games. City of the Daleks really didn't seem to reveal anything new and significant. It seemed very much a stand alone episode. This cyberman one seems like it very well might be the same way. Do you think we'll actually get anything significant to the plot in these little "episodes" or are they all going to be pretty much stand alone, self-contained? Considering they'll finish being released after the tv series ends, it doesn't seem too likely we'll get anything significant to that plot-- unless it's meant to lead into the new series. What do you think?
As I understand it the Doctor put some sort of defense mechanism in her brain that would trigger that knock-out wavey thing, whatever that was supposed to be, as well as wipe her memory a bit apparently, all triggered by her starting to remember. Of course, he never really did properly explain that one.
So, the games. City of the Daleks really didn't seem to reveal anything new and significant. It seemed very much a stand alone episode. This cyberman one seems like it very well might be the same way. Do you think we'll actually get anything significant to the plot in these little "episodes" or are they all going to be pretty much stand alone, self-contained? Considering they'll finish being released after the tv series ends, it doesn't seem too likely we'll get anything significant to that plot-- unless it's meant to lead into the new series. What do you think?
I don't think they'll relate to the main series too much, but i wouldn't be surprised if the games are all interconnected somehow.
(a) written a brilliant solution that's both obvious and makes total sense and has been carefully placed in the series since the very beginning of Series 5.
Well, I'm pretty sure I remember at the end of the very first episode you see
little Amy Pond still waiting out in her garden for the Tardis to come back and then you hear it actually DOES come back and a hand extend out to her and she smiles and hops up.
So the Doctor going back and picking up the little girl has been implanted from the very beginning.
I hope that all the inconsistencies throughout the series will be explained.
Like maybe Rory's incorrect hospital ID (it says the picture was taken in 1990, which would make him one of the youngest nurses ever) is a side effect of him being eaten by the crack...or being made out of plastic.
I hope that all the inconsistencies throughout the series will be explained.
Like maybe Rory's incorrect hospital ID (it says the picture was taken in 1990, which would make him one of the youngest nurses ever) is a side effect of him being eaten by the crack...or being made out of plastic.
Or the fact that at the end of the last episode
You could see all the stars exploding simultaneously, yet the light should have reached the view point at different times, years apart.
Oh thank you, I would have missed the start if you hadn't said! I knew there was a reason I hang out here.
I probably would have aswell, if it wasn't for twitter!
Mini Review of Blood of the Cybermen
Upon playing the second episode of the Adventure games, it is apparent that they have taken on board some of the criticisms of the previous episodes; Stealth sections are alot less frequent, only really appearing in the last part. Whilst the actual Adventuring elements haven't gotten anymore difficult (well, there is one slightly complex puzzle at the end), the minigames have gotten more complicated (well, one has). As for the storyline, for the most part it's pretty decent, but it comes to a rather sudden, abrupt end.Oh, and the Voice acting and animation seem to have improved.
I did accidentally find a glitch though. I was running away from a cyberman, and ran into a new area, activating a cutscene. However, the moment the cutscene was activated, Amy was Deleted (by the chasing cyberman, off screen), screamed, and appeared in front of me, surrounded by a blue glow.
the voice in the TARDIS was, and what caused it to explode?
Nope. My guess - that's the next series arc.
Well, that episode was brilliant. Mad, clever and brilliant. But there was one major disappointment - it didn't reveal the title of the Christmas special! Blasphemy!
yelling who's the villain who!?!? but this time I was to capitulated with the story to give it a thought and I really like they didn't reveal it something that can destroy the universe doesn't deserve to be beat in one episode
yelling who's the villain who!?!? but this time I was to capitulated with the story to give it a thought and I really like they didn't reveal it something that can destroy the universe doesn't deserve to be beat in one episode
I can't take 6 months (almost exactly!) of speculation!
I can't wait for the series to come out on BD/DVD. I wonder which shop will be doing the special edition boxset this year, and what'll be on it...
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It took eveything in me not to click that link
Also, in "The next Doctor", Jackson is saying something like "Everyone will remember this event for centuries!" and the Doctor is like "Yeah... funny...".
Unfortunately I dont have a link that backs this up, but it was mentioned in Russels Book "The Writers Tale" somewhere.
I read on Dr Who wiki that Russtle let Steven plant hints in his storys this and the Daleks where the main ones (if not only ones)
There's a difference between being able to enjoy the Master and being able to "believe" the story being told. For example, I thought the Master was very well played, especially in EoT, but I rather hated the way that a lot of the plot elements were coming together, especially in the finale for series 3. It was too unbelievable, and therefore lost its magic.
I was able to belive it and enjoy in fiction when plot elements start to come togeather like it does so it didnt spoil anything for me. Thats why I love RTDs storys
Don't get me wrong, he can write some fantastic episodes. He just had trouble Finishing them. "The sound of Drums" for example was easily the best episode (for me) of series 3, but the following episode? Such a let down. They turned the doctor into a god, just because everyone thought of his name? WTF?
And the I didn't think the Stolen Earth/Journey hom two parter was wrapped up particularly well either. They just flipped a switch. Plus, dragging the earth home would have caused huge Tsunamis (given the amount of quaking they showed), plus the Moon would have catapulted out somewhere. And i didn't like how he made Aliens as a fact in modern society. If you could suspend disbelief, then his episodes were usually quite good, but they never seemed to finish quite right.
I wouldn't call him a bad writer (far from it. Without him, i wouldn't have even heard of Doctor who, and i doubt it would have been as successful), but i think Moffetis capable of much more. He's been able to take what Russel created (like the refference the finale throughout thing), and expand it into so much more. Like the cracks in time. I just love how we've been steadily finding out more as we go along, as opposed to just a few posters here and there, or a few refferences. Although it would be nice to have some more of those aswell!
@ Majus: I really need to pick that book up sometime. Any good?
It's not that spoilery. Everything in them i already either new about, or could have extrapolated. Thats not to say you should click it, but if you do, there nothing huge.
But i guess everyone has different Ideas for their perfect endings.
You mean like how he also missed a huge opportunity with the Doctor Donna.
I call Doctor Donna 10.5 because it saves time. I am soooo lazy.:p
Seriously, why Didn't Donna's brain burn out at that point?
Also, Here's the trailer for the next adventure game "Blood of the Cybermen" Due out on Saturday.
This is consolation I suppose. But nothing could have beat the fact that RTD had a perfect excuse to make use of the evil twin thing and didn't use it. And now, with David Tennant out of the mix, it can't be used by anyone else either (except fanfic writers).
As I understand it the Doctor put some sort of defense mechanism in her brain that would trigger that knock-out wavey thing, whatever that was supposed to be, as well as wipe her memory a bit apparently, all triggered by her starting to remember. Of course, he never really did properly explain that one.
So, the games. City of the Daleks really didn't seem to reveal anything new and significant. It seemed very much a stand alone episode. This cyberman one seems like it very well might be the same way. Do you think we'll actually get anything significant to the plot in these little "episodes" or are they all going to be pretty much stand alone, self-contained? Considering they'll finish being released after the tv series ends, it doesn't seem too likely we'll get anything significant to that plot-- unless it's meant to lead into the new series. What do you think?
I don't think they'll relate to the main series too much, but i wouldn't be surprised if the games are all interconnected somehow.
Well, I'm pretty sure I remember at the end of the very first episode you see
So the Doctor going back and picking up the little girl has been implanted from the very beginning.
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I don't recall the hand, but I do remember young Amelia 'hearing' the TARDIS again. Maybe you're right.
Oooh! Good one!
Or my personal favorite:
Just a reminder, tonights episode is on at the earlier time of 6.05PM, and is longer.
Oh thank you, I would have missed the start if you hadn't said! I knew there was a reason I hang out here.
I probably would have aswell, if it wasn't for twitter!
Mini Review of Blood of the Cybermen
Upon playing the second episode of the Adventure games, it is apparent that they have taken on board some of the criticisms of the previous episodes; Stealth sections are alot less frequent, only really appearing in the last part. Whilst the actual Adventuring elements haven't gotten anymore difficult (well, there is one slightly complex puzzle at the end), the minigames have gotten more complicated (well, one has). As for the storyline, for the most part it's pretty decent, but it comes to a rather sudden, abrupt end.Oh, and the Voice acting and animation seem to have improved.
I did accidentally find a glitch though. I was running away from a cyberman, and ran into a new area, activating a cutscene. However, the moment the cutscene was activated, Amy was Deleted (by the chasing cyberman, off screen), screamed, and appeared in front of me, surrounded by a blue glow.
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Well, that episode was brilliant. Mad, clever and brilliant. But there was one major disappointment - it didn't reveal the title of the Christmas special! Blasphemy!
I can't wait for the series to come out on BD/DVD. I wonder which shop will be doing the special edition boxset this year, and what'll be on it...
And a new episode of Doctor Who will be a great Christmas present!