The BBC have announced a new theatrical show type thing, Doctor who live!
The Monsters Are Coming!
London Wembley Arena : 8 - 10 October
Sheffield Arena : 12 - 13 October
Glasgow SECC : 14 – 17 October
Birmingham NIA : 18 - 20 October
Manchester Evening News Arena : 22 - 24 October
Nottingham Trent FM Arena : 25 - 26 October
Cardiff International Arena : 28 - 31 October
Liverpool Echo Arena : 2 - 3 November
Belfast Odyssey Arena : 6 - 7 November
Developed in association with Doctor Who’s Executive Producer and show runner, Steven Moffat, Doctor Who Live promises the same excitement, adventure and suspense that viewers have come to expect from the TV programme and will feature specially filmed new video scenes.
Opening in wartime London and concluding in an epic onstage battle, audiences should expect the unexpected as the The Doctor’s arch-enemies the Daleks are joined by some of the best-loved and most terrifying monsters from the TV series including the Cybermen, Weeping Angels, Judoon and Oods to name but a few.
With an out-of-this-world set, Doctor Who Live will feature special FX, optical illusions and spectacular pyrotechnics building to an epic finale. Specially edited video clips, drawn from the TV Programme will be shown on a massive screen and accompanied by the music of longtime Doctor Who composer Murray Gold. These iconic scores will be brought to life by a 16 piece orchestra live on stage.
I hope the dream lord is gona be a returning charecter New who needs more original recuring villians like they did with the angels and imporved them (not that the dream lord needs improving but maybe a pysical form so his actions effect realaty.
Like, maybe the cracks that we've been seeing let a more permanent version of him in or something? That would be cool.
Actually, it would be cool if any of the evil!Doctor clones showed up again. I was so certain that the DoctorDonna version was gonna show up again and be evil, but that never happened. Maybe someday...
It's funny how the Celestial Toymaker only appeared in one tv story, and yet pretty much every fan of the old series wants him back!
I've only seen the Celestial Toymaker in the fan reconstruction (slideshow and audio) and I still want him back. That's probably my favorite First Doctor episode ever.:D
The Celestial Toymaker has actually appeared in a few other Doctor Who stories - they just weren't on TV. His most recent is the Big Finish audio The Nightmare Fair, an adaptation of the cancelled Colin Baker series that was replaced with Trial of a Time Lord. For the list of stories he's in, check his Wikipedia page.
I can see that my summer is going to be very busy. Also, the Celestial Toymaker showed up in this web comic that has practically become canon for me: The Ten Doctors by Rich Morris.
I think this comic should be mandatory for all Doctor Who fans because this guy does a great job of tying everything together and filling a bunch of plot holes. And, as the name suggests it contains all of the Doctors and quite a few of the villains. Plus, its hilarious.:D
You are really going to hate me when I say this, but in my various trips to England and my Boyfriend had to watch Doctor Who with the rest of the family, I just really couldn't watch it. It just doesn't appeal to me in any way, so I mostly let them watch it while I do something else.
I haven't grown up with the show like he has, and I come from Denmark where we have never even heard of him. So I guess that has something to do with it as well
But I am glad there is a show out there, that has been going on for years that you can enjoy, and you think is going in all the right directions, I know how it is to watch a show you really enjoy, and we all have each our own taste.
And I can see that show is a real family experience, the entire English side of my family is glued to the screen when it's on
I didn't grow up with the show at all. I only really got into it with Nu-Who. I do have very vague memories of the comedy skit The Curse of Fatal Death, but that hasn't affected my liking for the show at all. I find Doctor Who to be a mad, light-hearted show that doesn't take itself too seriously and knows exactly what it wants to be - 45 minutes of fun, and I love it for that. Shame that seems to be changing, but I also like the show it's turning into, so it's not that big a problem.
If the show isn't your cup of tea (ha, you see what I did there?), then that's fine. We're not going to cast you out of the forums because of it. At least you understand why many of us do like it. If there were any specific reason you didn't like it, I'd love to discuss it with you, but if you just want to leave it at that, then that's cool too.
Now if you guys don't mind, I'm trying to get back into writing, so here's a Doctor Who-themed 'article' or whatever. Feel free to discuss. Or not. Whatever. I'll spoiler it so you can skip it if you want.
I've been trying to write a complete guide to Doctor Who for a while now, and as part of this I've been watching a lot of Who. As a side effect, I'm finding that I think Old Who is very hit and miss. I was born in the mid 80s (and am still probably younger then most of you posting here, gah!), and as a result I'm what I'd call a 'modern viewer'. I like shows with action, drama, action, suspense and action.
The problem is that old Who doesn't have much of any of those. The black and white days, which are a little hard to watch in this modern HD world, featured an awful lot of padding, and coupled with the lack of urgency and tension in a lot of the early stories it's quite hard to stay focused on them. After a while the ceiling tiles start to seem more interesting then the characters.
I should point out that I don't think the shows are bad. I just don't think that they hold up well against the test of time. Back in the day, all of the qualities of the show which I think hold it back would have been positive boons. But asking someone from the modern world to sit down and watch nearly 3 hours of black and white television just to see the very first appearance of the Daleks (The Daleks: 7 episodes, 25 minutes each, total runtime of 2 Hours, 55 minutes), it's going to be an uphill battle.
And yet... conversely, episodes of Nu-Who that rush things along and don't spend enough time on important details or dramatic events just leaves me feeling cheated. I've touched on this before with TheVampires in Venice, but it's also present in The Doctor's Daughter. There's simply too much story to fit into a single 45-minute episode, resulting in the entire story feeling rushed. The backstory of the aliens glossed over in two or three sentences, and the bad guys dealt with in seconds. It doesn't feel like a satisfactory conclusion to the story.
In some ways, maybe the best way to tell a Doctor Who story is to have more two-parters. Maybe then we'd have had the chance to see why the Hath had been fighting the humans in The Doctor's Daughter, or spend more time to reflect on Guido's sacrifice in The Vampires of Venice. But then again, not every story would work as a two-parter. There's not enough plot to stretch Fear Her or The Idiot's Lantern to multiple episodes, and others like Blink or Tooth and Claw work fantastically as single episodes.
Maybe just having one or two more two-parters work work better. Who knows. It'd be nice to find out, but I doubt I'll ever get the chance to. Still, at least I've got a show that can cause me to think about things this much. I doubt I'd ever do the same for Merlin.
I didn't even know that Doctor Who existed until I went to college Fall '08 and only started watching it a little over a year ago. After the first episode of the new series, "Rose", I watched all there was of the new series in a week and then went back and watched practically all of the old series as well. I think all that I'm missing is about half of the 2nd Doctor fan reconstructions, the Shada reconstruction, and the Curse of Fenrick. And the audio books and radio plays.:D
I started with Rose, then my dad started finding them every week so I am always about a day behind Great Britain instead of a few weeks or months depending on whether you have BBC America or not
I didn't even know that Doctor Who existed until I went to college Fall '08 and only started watching it a little over a year ago. After the first episode of the new series, "Rose", I watched all there was of the new series in a week and then went back and watched practically all of the old series as well. I think all that I'm missing is about half of the 2nd Doctor fan reconstructions, the Shada reconstruction, and the Curse of Fenrick. And the audio books and radio plays.:D
Flipping heck, i've been watching the show for years, ever since watching the 1996 tv movie when I was 8 i've been collecting every vid/dvd i could get, and even i've yet to watch all the episodes or listen to lost soundtracks! Consider me impressed, sir!
Hell, i haven't even listened to The Celestial Toymaker, I just know of him from a lot of his non-tv stories, as pointed out by Nick earlier! Sure, he's made plenty of appearances off the telly, but it's just impressive that he gained such a following from one tv story in the first place (because, although i've read and listened to a lot of non-tv stories, even i admit the tv ones are the only ones that really matter, imo). I think my favourite non tv story of his is...well, I actually can't say, because it was such a wonderful twist, but it's a Big Finish story
from last year
, and no, it's not the Nightmare Fair i'm thinking of! (Which i've yet to listen to!)
Btw, Alcoremortis, if you wanna start with the audios, one of the best I've listened to recently doesn't have the Doctor in it at all: The Mahogany Murders, with Jago and Litefoot, from Talons of Weng-Chiang. Basically, it's Jago and Litefoot telling a story from two perspectives. Get it, simply because there is no duo more awesome than Jago and Litefoot!
This guy has made all of the fan reconstructions of the lost episodes. Mainly they are slideshows with sound but a few have fan animations to go along with them spliced in with surviving clips. They are quite good, especially for us late fanpeople (I mean, of course, late as in tardy, not deceased).
If the show isn't your cup of tea (ha, you see what I did there?), then that's fine. We're not going to cast you out of the forums because of it. At least you understand why many of us do like it. If there were any specific reason you didn't like it, I'd love to discuss it with you, but if you just want to leave it at that, then that's cool too.
Yeah I saw what you did
But no need to discuss really, I am just one of the few who don't find it interesting, but I don't have a problem with it either. As I said it's good that people have a show they just love to watch and look forward to, and a story that really takes them all the way.
I know how important it is to have interests in life, and many of us have different ones
But I must admit I did watch that film length episode, where they get to another planet in a bus, that was quite good
I have to say I'm loving the latest series, more so than most of the Tennant era. I am more of a New Who fan as I never really watched any of the Old Whos apart from a few McCoy episodes towards the end of the 80s (I think so anyway, was only around 7-8 at the time) and I never bothered with watching any repeats that might have aired. Though now I am thinking about going back and trying a few from each incarnation of the Doctor.
I can remember catching a few Sylvester McCoy episodes, including Remembrance of the Daleks. My parents were fans of the show (still are) and they happily encouraged me. I sought out all the videos I could, but McCoy was always my favourite.
A short list of classic Doctor stories to try:
1 - An Unearthly Child, The Daleks (both very slow paced, not the ones to start with ironically!)
2 - Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, The War Games
3 - Spearhead From Space, The Daemons, The Sea Devils, The Three Doctors, The Time Warrior
4 - Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, City of Death, The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis
5 - Earthshock, The Five Doctors, Resurrection of the Daleks, The Caves of Androzani
6 - The Mark of the Rani, Revelation of the Daleks, Terror of the Vervoids/The Ultimate Foe
7 - Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric, Survival
1 - An Unearthly Child, The Daleks (both very slow paced, not the ones to start with ironically!)
2 - Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, The War Games
3 - Spearhead From Space, The Daemons, The Sea Devils, The Three Doctors, The Time Warrior
4 - Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, City of Death, The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis
5 - Earthshock, The Five Doctors, Resurrection of the Daleks, The Caves of Androzani
6 - The Mark of the Rani, Revelation of the Daleks, Terror of the Vervoids/The Ultimate Foe
7 - Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric, Survival
I'd echo those. But if you could only go for one for each Doctor...
William Hartnell: An Unearthly Child Patrick Troughton: Tomb of the Cybermen Jon Pertwee: The Daemons Tom Baker: Genesis of the Daleks Peter Davison: The Caves of Androzani Colin Baker: Revelation of the Daleks Sylvester McCoy: The Curse of Fenric Paul McGann: The Chimes of Midnight (audio) Christopher Eccleston: The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances David Tennant: The Waters of Mars Matt Smith: ...I may have gone too far.
I liked those quite a lot too, but if I had to pick just one episode to show someone who'd never seen Doctor Who before, I'd choose Blink, because it's a total standalone episode.
I didn't even know that Doctor Who existed until I went to college Fall '08 and only started watching it a little over a year ago. After the first episode of the new series, "Rose", I watched all there was of the new series in a week and then went back and watched practically all of the old series as well. I think all that I'm missing is about half of the 2nd Doctor fan reconstructions, the Shada reconstruction, and the Curse of Fenrick. And the audio books and radio plays.:D
The BBC did a reconstruction of Shada with Paul Mcgann (8th doctor) A while back (before they reconstructed the Tom Baker episode), as part of a series of webcasts. You can watch it here It's animated.
I liked those quite a lot too, but if I had to pick just one episode to show someone who'd never seen Doctor Who before, I'd choose Blink, because it's a total standalone episode.
midnight was an awsome stand alone episde to and as scary but I liked it better cos it had more doctor XD
midnight was an awsome stand alone episde to and as scary but I liked it better cos it had more doctor XD
Darn. Now I just remembered how much I like that one as well...
I guess I would just show someone the first Doctor Who episode that I can think of because if I think about it too hard then I'll end up showing them about five...
...I also really liked The Girl in the Fireplace...
I liked those quite a lot too, but if I had to pick just one episode to show someone who'd never seen Doctor Who before, I'd choose Blink, because it's a total standalone episode.
It is a great episode, but there's hardly any of David Tennant in it, which is why I didn't pick it. If I'd had two episodes per Doctor, then it would totally have been my second one.
Also, just to be nitpicky, the original Shada was released with bridging material by Tom Baker. You really haven't lived until you see him in a suit reading out the cliffhanger to an episode that was never actually filmed and trying to inject some drama into it while smiling. It's the most bizarre thing in the world, and therefore perfectly suited for Doctor Who. Also, it came before the webcast with Paul McGann. So there.
Darn. Now I just remembered how much I like that one as well...
I guess I would just show someone the first Doctor Who episode that I can think of because if I think about it too hard then I'll end up showing them about five...
...I also really liked The Girl in the Fireplace...
For some reason they don't play on my PC, claiming my fllash is out of date (and it isn't. I've reinstalled in multiple times, redownloaded, tried on multiple browsers). Anyway, theres a few others on the site aswell.
I don't know why, I just quess I wouldn't expect to see it in something meant for kids. Has there been any other Dr. Who story that involves it either happening or implied?
I don't know why, I just quess I wouldn't expect to see it in something meant for kids. Has there been any other Dr. Who story that involves it either happening or implied?
If you think Dr Who is for kids you've clearly not been watching it at all.
You'll notice though that the scene in question doesn't show anything, it just alludes to it.
Also kids may watch it, but that doesn't mean it's for kids. It is a family show, but it does deal with adult things, otherwise it would be a bit boring. Besides the kids can watch the Sarah Jane Adventures :P
You'll notice though that the scene in question doesn't show anything, it just alludes to it.
Also kids may watch it, but that doesn't mean it's for kids. It is a family show, but it does deal with adult things, otherwise it would be a bit boring. Besides the kids can watch the Sarah Jane Adventures :P
And me(18) and my 50 year old uncle!
Anyway, the
silurians
seem to be alot more aggressive than usual, but it's nice to see them back all the same.
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Anyone going? Tickets range from £40 to £25
Like, maybe the cracks that we've been seeing let a more permanent version of him in or something? That would be cool.
Actually, it would be cool if any of the evil!Doctor clones showed up again. I was so certain that the DoctorDonna version was gonna show up again and be evil, but that never happened. Maybe someday...
So glad that wasn't just me!
It's funny how the Celestial Toymaker only appeared in one tv story, and yet pretty much every fan of the old series wants him back!
I've only seen the Celestial Toymaker in the fan reconstruction (slideshow and audio) and I still want him back. That's probably my favorite First Doctor episode ever.:D
I think this comic should be mandatory for all Doctor Who fans because this guy does a great job of tying everything together and filling a bunch of plot holes. And, as the name suggests it contains all of the Doctors and quite a few of the villains. Plus, its hilarious.:D
I haven't grown up with the show like he has, and I come from Denmark where we have never even heard of him. So I guess that has something to do with it as well
But I am glad there is a show out there, that has been going on for years that you can enjoy, and you think is going in all the right directions, I know how it is to watch a show you really enjoy, and we all have each our own taste.
And I can see that show is a real family experience, the entire English side of my family is glued to the screen when it's on
If the show isn't your cup of tea (ha, you see what I did there?), then that's fine. We're not going to cast you out of the forums because of it. At least you understand why many of us do like it. If there were any specific reason you didn't like it, I'd love to discuss it with you, but if you just want to leave it at that, then that's cool too.
Now if you guys don't mind, I'm trying to get back into writing, so here's a Doctor Who-themed 'article' or whatever. Feel free to discuss. Or not. Whatever. I'll spoiler it so you can skip it if you want.
The problem is that old Who doesn't have much of any of those. The black and white days, which are a little hard to watch in this modern HD world, featured an awful lot of padding, and coupled with the lack of urgency and tension in a lot of the early stories it's quite hard to stay focused on them. After a while the ceiling tiles start to seem more interesting then the characters.
I should point out that I don't think the shows are bad. I just don't think that they hold up well against the test of time. Back in the day, all of the qualities of the show which I think hold it back would have been positive boons. But asking someone from the modern world to sit down and watch nearly 3 hours of black and white television just to see the very first appearance of the Daleks (The Daleks: 7 episodes, 25 minutes each, total runtime of 2 Hours, 55 minutes), it's going to be an uphill battle.
And yet... conversely, episodes of Nu-Who that rush things along and don't spend enough time on important details or dramatic events just leaves me feeling cheated. I've touched on this before with TheVampires in Venice, but it's also present in The Doctor's Daughter. There's simply too much story to fit into a single 45-minute episode, resulting in the entire story feeling rushed. The backstory of the aliens glossed over in two or three sentences, and the bad guys dealt with in seconds. It doesn't feel like a satisfactory conclusion to the story.
In some ways, maybe the best way to tell a Doctor Who story is to have more two-parters. Maybe then we'd have had the chance to see why the Hath had been fighting the humans in The Doctor's Daughter, or spend more time to reflect on Guido's sacrifice in The Vampires of Venice. But then again, not every story would work as a two-parter. There's not enough plot to stretch Fear Her or The Idiot's Lantern to multiple episodes, and others like Blink or Tooth and Claw work fantastically as single episodes.
Maybe just having one or two more two-parters work work better. Who knows. It'd be nice to find out, but I doubt I'll ever get the chance to. Still, at least I've got a show that can cause me to think about things this much. I doubt I'd ever do the same for Merlin.
Flipping heck, i've been watching the show for years, ever since watching the 1996 tv movie when I was 8 i've been collecting every vid/dvd i could get, and even i've yet to watch all the episodes or listen to lost soundtracks! Consider me impressed, sir!
Hell, i haven't even listened to The Celestial Toymaker, I just know of him from a lot of his non-tv stories, as pointed out by Nick earlier! Sure, he's made plenty of appearances off the telly, but it's just impressive that he gained such a following from one tv story in the first place (because, although i've read and listened to a lot of non-tv stories, even i admit the tv ones are the only ones that really matter, imo). I think my favourite non tv story of his is...well, I actually can't say, because it was such a wonderful twist, but it's a Big Finish story
Btw, Alcoremortis, if you wanna start with the audios, one of the best I've listened to recently doesn't have the Doctor in it at all: The Mahogany Murders, with Jago and Litefoot, from Talons of Weng-Chiang. Basically, it's Jago and Litefoot telling a story from two perspectives. Get it, simply because there is no duo more awesome than Jago and Litefoot!
This guy has made all of the fan reconstructions of the lost episodes. Mainly they are slideshows with sound but a few have fan animations to go along with them spliced in with surviving clips. They are quite good, especially for us late fanpeople (I mean, of course, late as in tardy, not deceased).
Yeah I saw what you did
But no need to discuss really, I am just one of the few who don't find it interesting, but I don't have a problem with it either. As I said it's good that people have a show they just love to watch and look forward to, and a story that really takes them all the way.
I know how important it is to have interests in life, and many of us have different ones
But I must admit I did watch that film length episode, where they get to another planet in a bus, that was quite good
And that episode was called Planet of the Dead, btw.
A short list of classic Doctor stories to try:
1 - An Unearthly Child, The Daleks (both very slow paced, not the ones to start with ironically!)
2 - Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, The War Games
3 - Spearhead From Space, The Daemons, The Sea Devils, The Three Doctors, The Time Warrior
4 - Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, City of Death, The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis
5 - Earthshock, The Five Doctors, Resurrection of the Daleks, The Caves of Androzani
6 - The Mark of the Rani, Revelation of the Daleks, Terror of the Vervoids/The Ultimate Foe
7 - Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric, Survival
William Hartnell: An Unearthly Child
Patrick Troughton: Tomb of the Cybermen
Jon Pertwee: The Daemons
Tom Baker: Genesis of the Daleks
Peter Davison: The Caves of Androzani
Colin Baker: Revelation of the Daleks
Sylvester McCoy: The Curse of Fenric
Paul McGann: The Chimes of Midnight (audio)
Christopher Eccleston: The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
David Tennant: The Waters of Mars
Matt Smith: ...I may have gone too far.
midnight was an awsome stand alone episde to and as scary but I liked it better cos it had more doctor XD
Darn. Now I just remembered how much I like that one as well...
I guess I would just show someone the first Doctor Who episode that I can think of because if I think about it too hard then I'll end up showing them about five...
...I also really liked The Girl in the Fireplace...
@Friar: Cool! I think I'll go watch that now!:D
Also, just to be nitpicky, the original Shada was released with bridging material by Tom Baker. You really haven't lived until you see him in a suit reading out the cliffhanger to an episode that was never actually filmed and trying to inject some drama into it while smiling. It's the most bizarre thing in the world, and therefore perfectly suited for Doctor Who. Also, it came before the webcast with Paul McGann. So there.
THANKYOU!
I've been dying to watch that for ages!
In other news, my mum bought me tickets to see Doctor Who live! At wembley arena. We're 13 rows from the front. Anyone else bought tickets?
You are a very lucky person. That is all I'm going to say.
Except that this doesn't exist except on audio.
I had trouble choosing adventures for the 1st and 2nd Doctors as most of their best episodes are missing.
Friar - ah yes, of course! I suppose that counts as the best 8th Doctor adventure that's not audio-only!
And fan recreations! Also, the fourth episode is still intact.:D
I thought that would be the case, and was surprised to see it carried on.
If you think Dr Who is for kids you've clearly not been watching it at all.
It was originally designed for the kids, and many kids still watch it. A very high number in fact. Don't get me wrong, I know it's for adults too.
Also kids may watch it, but that doesn't mean it's for kids. It is a family show, but it does deal with adult things, otherwise it would be a bit boring. Besides the kids can watch the Sarah Jane Adventures :P
Anyway, the