An additional question (though somewhat unrelated) is, if you were to mod Baldur's Gate, would you use Baldur's Gate Tutu or Baldur's Gate Trilogy?
(Tutu plays BG1 using 2's engine; BGT combines 1 and 2 into a single game.)
BGT is much, much better, includes a built in fixpack, also plays BG1 using 2's engine, is very stable and easy to install, has better compatibility with other mods (such as 1pp and widescreen). It also doesn't have the completely ridiculous spawns in BG1 that Tutu does.
Oh, and to your original question, unless you're really into fan-fiction level romance plotlines, there's really not much reason to get the enhanced edition. It fixes nothing that wasn't already fixed by mods, removes lines from cutscenes, and actually introduces a number of crash bugs.
I guess it's a matter of whether or not you're willing to spend time installing mods, and whether or not you own BG2 (as you need it for BGT and Tutu).
It removes the cheesy lines from the intro. That's one cutscene. Not cutscenes. I personally like the new intro a lot more. I'd skip the old intro anyway. It's really not aged well.
Which one of the old mods was the one that stole your items and made it no longer possible to cheat and keep your old inventory? That's the one I played and I was furious.:mad: I wanted to keep my stuff!
Tell me about those please. I have yet to experience a crash and I played through most of BGEE (before reinstalling Windows deleted my savegame of 30 hours into the EE).
On the romances: I haven't picked up any of the new NPCs in my first playthrough since my "dream party" was already full (Me, Imoen, Minsc, Kivan, Viconia & Dynaheir). But these were the most interesting thing in BG2 for me and a huge reason to replay it over and over to be honest.
It removes the cheesy lines from the intro. That's one cutscene. Not cutscenes. I personally like the new intro a lot more. I'd skip the old intro anyway. It's really not aged well.
It removed plot points from the intro.
Which one of the old mods was the one that stole your items and made it no longer possible to cheat and keep your old inventory? That's the one I played and I was furious.:mad: I wanted to keep my stuff!
Um... BGT added some tweaks where you could keep *more* of your stuff from BG1 -> 2. Not sure what you're referring to. In the original you could only keep two or three items, which you found around the opening dungeon. Keeping your BG1 inventory (especially with TotSC installed) completely blows any semblance of balance or difficulty BG2 has out of the water.
Tell me about those please. I have yet to experience a crash and I played through most of BGEE (before reinstalling Windows deleted my savegame of 30 hours into the EE).
I got quite a few random CTDs just playing the game normally, but I played it closer to release, so it's possible some of those have been fixed at this point, which would be good.
Um... BGT added some tweaks where you could keep *more* of your stuff from BG1 -> 2. Not sure what you're referring to. In the original you could only keep two or three items, which you found around the opening dungeon. Keeping your BG1 inventory (especially with TotSC installed) completely blows any semblance of balance or difficulty BG2 has out of the water.
Must be TuTu then. They added a scene where you are kidnapped between BG1 & 2 and you start BG2 with an empty inventory. In the original BG2 you could import your old save, pause the game just when it starts and drop all your (at that point still intact stuff) on the floor to pick it up after the scene with Jon Irenicus. Normally it would all be gone after that scene but if you hit the right moment you can save all your stuff. And yes that actually helps a lot either by having good gear, that fits your level from the start or by giving you enough stuff to sell to end the "get 10000 gold" - chapter early. But that really wasn't too hard to begin with. Either do one of the main quests to get enough gold or well be a thief with high pick pocket values / the right potions and a thieves guild merchant (that buys back the stuff you just stole from him/her).
Yeah, I know how to get the other items... and I did... I just never actually managed to import a BG1 game to BG2.
Because in BG2, I had to play a Bard, and those are just impossible to make work in BG1. Whereas, in BG2, they're possibly the most badass class ever. I mean, my Bard Blade could end up with an AC of -27 by the end of the game. Nothing ever hit that guy. Nothing.
Must be TuTu then. They added a scene where you are kidnapped between BG1 & 2 and you start BG2 with an empty inventory.
I think you might be mixing up BGT and Tutu? BGT was the one that added a cutscene connecting BG1 and 2.
And yeah, you have to be kind of evil to get the pantaloons. Certain party members make it impossible.
Because in BG2, I had to play a Bard, and those are just impossible to make work in BG1. Whereas, in BG2, they're possibly the most badass class ever. I mean, my Bard Blade could end up with an AC of -27 by the end of the game. Nothing ever hit that guy. Nothing.
They are almost as broken as a Kensai/Mage... almost. But that is basically cheating once you get the robe of vecna.
Oh, I was totally evil as a bard. I just kicked out all the paladins in my party. Jaheira kinda got pissed at me, but I managed to win her over by doing her quest before turning evil. And Edwin and I were the best of pals. We were such great buddies that I gave him the Robe of Vecna, actually.
I had my bard use that super fancy elven chain that you can wear after getting the rogue trick that allows you to use any item regardless of class restrictions. I mean that, combined with the fact that he could cast stoneskin, globe of invulnerability, and spell immunity... man. He could have taken Kangaxx single handedly.
If I may drag this thread back to the original topic, today's Daily Deal is 75% off...
And yes, that includes all its DLC as well.
Midweek Madness:
Well, the title's been a lie ever since The Clone Wars happened, and it looks/feels positively ancient compared to the Lego LotR, but eh. If you want it, I won't stop you. Still too expensive for me though
Also, there's some more week-long deals. Odd how these have received so little fanfare, but hey ho.
If I may drag this thread back to the original topic, today's Daily Deal is 75% off...
And yes, that includes all its DLC as well.
Midweek Madness:
Well, the title's been a lie ever since The Clone Wars happened, and it looks/feels positively ancient compared to the Lego LotR, but eh. If you want it, I won't stop you. Still too expensive for me though
Also, there's some more week-long deals. Odd how these have received so little fanfare, but hey ho.
There was no fanfare because they were all overshadowed by the other weeklong deal, which was Just Cause 2.
Again? Please. No-one cares about Just Cause 2 by now.
What they DO care about is...
It'll also be available to all Playstation Plus subscribers for free as of next week (along with Okami HD, yays). Just thought I'd mention that for absolutely no reason.
This looks like THQ's last hurrah. Anything they didn't sell off in the last auction, they're putting on sale. Good on them, and I hope I can get Red Faction before they're gone for good.
I recommend it. I played it with a 360 controller, and it was great.
If any of you do get the bug that forgets savegames, the file is still there and can be rediscovered by gfwl by using a hex editor. Just make sure you don't access the slot ingame where the missing save was, lest the game overwrite your file before you get a chance to fix it.
Also, on Gamefly, they've got some quite frankly ludicrously cheap bundles. Like, $5 for Spec Ops: The Line and The Darkness 2, or $32 for Borderlands 2 and X-COM. See, ludicrous.
Use the code GFDAPR20 to get a bit more off. It's a one-use only thing though.
That's the complete collection and the individual titles, as well as SOME of the DLC for Hell & Damnation.
I'd only bother with Painkiller Black (and possibly Hell & Damnation), the others are awful.
Midweek Madness:
Since the image doesn't actually say it, Metro 2033 is 66% off (and very much worth it).
Sands of Time is the only must-own, I think, though the others in the series aren't bad (particularly Two Thrones). The newer POP is pretty to look at and interesting, even if it doesn't quite have the charm of Sands. It's worth a get while it's cheap
Buying all the individual games comes out to $12.50 (5 games @ $2.50 ea), but buying them in a bundle is $15. And apparently each of the 5 games is down from $10, while the bundle is down from $60.
Price-wise, they've screwed up completely. Oops. But even so, you might as well get them all.
(Disclaimer that the following is my opinion only, etc)
Warrior Within had the best (and [Highlight]bloodiest[/Highlight]) fighting mechanics of the entire series and some very nicely designed levels giving more of an open feel than the rest of the series, but the tone was amazingly emo and the female characters... yeesh. I refuse to believe that anyone can cosplay as them without enduring some MAJOR chafing.
Two Thrones is definitely a solid game, but in the attempt to be somewhere in between SoT and WW in terms of setting and tone it feels a little lost in decided what it's trying to be. The writing's a bit generic, the levels VERY linear, the combat a little tamer than WW and the chariot chases can go die in a fire.
Forgotten Sands feels like someone else making a PoP game in that it just feels a little bit off. The running-jumping-fighting mechanics are all fine, but they're just different enough from the other games to feel slightly wrong somehow. Still a fun game, mind, and the elemental powers are fun, but the bosses are weak and it's oddly short compared to the others.
PoP '08... it's weird. I used to call it Quick-Time-Event: The Game, but then Heavy Rain came out and proved what a QTE game actually is, so now I have to call it Auto-Pilot: The Game. The whole idea of the game is that you're rarely not moving, and the whole 'no death' thing means that the flow of the game is almost constant, and everything's been simplified to maintain that (from the controls to the game mechanics), but yeah, it does make it rather easy as well.
None of the games are out-and-out bad. At their worst, they're still perfectly enjoyable games. But each one has their own flaws and quirks, which is why I say get 'em all. They're all different, and you're bound to like at least one of them.
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Oh, and to your original question, unless you're really into fan-fiction level romance plotlines, there's really not much reason to get the enhanced edition. It fixes nothing that wasn't already fixed by mods, removes lines from cutscenes, and actually introduces a number of crash bugs.
I guess it's a matter of whether or not you're willing to spend time installing mods, and whether or not you own BG2 (as you need it for BGT and Tutu).
It removes the cheesy lines from the intro. That's one cutscene. Not cutscenes. I personally like the new intro a lot more. I'd skip the old intro anyway. It's really not aged well.
Which one of the old mods was the one that stole your items and made it no longer possible to cheat and keep your old inventory? That's the one I played and I was furious.:mad: I wanted to keep my stuff!
Tell me about those please. I have yet to experience a crash and I played through most of BGEE (before reinstalling Windows deleted my savegame of 30 hours into the EE).
On the romances: I haven't picked up any of the new NPCs in my first playthrough since my "dream party" was already full (Me, Imoen, Minsc, Kivan, Viconia & Dynaheir). But these were the most interesting thing in BG2 for me and a huge reason to replay it over and over to be honest.
Um... BGT added some tweaks where you could keep *more* of your stuff from BG1 -> 2. Not sure what you're referring to. In the original you could only keep two or three items, which you found around the opening dungeon. Keeping your BG1 inventory (especially with TotSC installed) completely blows any semblance of balance or difficulty BG2 has out of the water.
I got quite a few random CTDs just playing the game normally, but I played it closer to release, so it's possible some of those have been fixed at this point, which would be good.
Must be TuTu then. They added a scene where you are kidnapped between BG1 & 2 and you start BG2 with an empty inventory. In the original BG2 you could import your old save, pause the game just when it starts and drop all your (at that point still intact stuff) on the floor to pick it up after the scene with Jon Irenicus. Normally it would all be gone after that scene but if you hit the right moment you can save all your stuff. And yes that actually helps a lot either by having good gear, that fits your level from the start or by giving you enough stuff to sell to end the "get 10000 gold" - chapter early. But that really wasn't too hard to begin with. Either do one of the main quests to get enough gold or well be a thief with high pick pocket values / the right potions and a thieves guild merchant (that buys back the stuff you just stole from him/her).
Well there were a few other items.
And the pantaloons were needed for a secret. But
Because in BG2, I had to play a Bard, and those are just impossible to make work in BG1. Whereas, in BG2, they're possibly the most badass class ever. I mean, my Bard Blade could end up with an AC of -27 by the end of the game. Nothing ever hit that guy. Nothing.
I think you might be mixing up BGT and Tutu? BGT was the one that added a cutscene connecting BG1 and 2.
And yeah, you have to be kind of evil to get the pantaloons. Certain party members make it impossible.
They are almost as broken as a Kensai/Mage... almost. But that is basically cheating once you get the robe of vecna.
I had my bard use that super fancy elven chain that you can wear after getting the rogue trick that allows you to use any item regardless of class restrictions. I mean that, combined with the fact that he could cast stoneskin, globe of invulnerability, and spell immunity... man. He could have taken Kangaxx single handedly.
And yes, that includes all its DLC as well.
Midweek Madness:
Well, the title's been a lie ever since The Clone Wars happened, and it looks/feels positively ancient compared to the Lego LotR, but eh. If you want it, I won't stop you. Still too expensive for me though
Also, there's some more week-long deals. Odd how these have received so little fanfare, but hey ho.
20% off Articy Draft SE
75% off Dangerous Waters
75% off Iron Warriors: T-72 Tank Command
75% off IronClads American Civil War 1861-1865
75% off IronClads High Seas
75% off IronClads Schleswig War 1864
75% off IronClads Anglo-Russian War 1865
75% off IronClads Chincha Islands War
75% off Trapped Dead
...now I see why it's gotten so little fanfare. What the hell are those?
There was no fanfare because they were all overshadowed by the other weeklong deal, which was Just Cause 2.
What they DO care about is...
It'll also be available to all Playstation Plus subscribers for free as of next week (along with Okami HD, yays). Just thought I'd mention that for absolutely no reason.
Well someone thinks someone does, since this it the three year anniversary sale for JC2.
About the only reason why I have any use for "LEGO Star Wars: The Video Game" (prequels) is so I can import Darth Maul into The Original Trilogy.
Today's Daily Deal is 75% off...
The Weekend Deals:
Hitman Absolution is absurdly cheap at that price (and yes, the other games in the series are also reduced).
Today's Daily Deal is 66% off...
Brilliant game, shame about GFWL.
I really love the feeling of flying through the city.
If any of you do get the bug that forgets savegames, the file is still there and can be rediscovered by gfwl by using a hex editor. Just make sure you don't access the slot ingame where the missing save was, lest the game overwrite your file before you get a chance to fix it.
Oh, and don't forget to pre-order Half-Life 2: Episode 3.
Just thought I'd share that.
http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DD-BL2/borderlands-2
So if you want to start hating Claptrap right now this is your chance.
Use the code GFDAPR20 to get a bit more off. It's a one-use only thing though.
That's the complete collection and the individual titles, as well as SOME of the DLC for Hell & Damnation.
I'd only bother with Painkiller Black (and possibly Hell & Damnation), the others are awful.
Midweek Madness:
Since the image doesn't actually say it, Metro 2033 is 66% off (and very much worth it).
Today's Daily Deal is 75% off...
I have Sands of Time but not the others.
Buying all the individual games comes out to $12.50 (5 games @ $2.50 ea), but buying them in a bundle is $15. And apparently each of the 5 games is down from $10, while the bundle is down from $60.
What sense does that make?
(Disclaimer that the following is my opinion only, etc)
Warrior Within had the best (and [Highlight]bloodiest[/Highlight]) fighting mechanics of the entire series and some very nicely designed levels giving more of an open feel than the rest of the series, but the tone was amazingly emo and the female characters... yeesh. I refuse to believe that anyone can cosplay as them without enduring some MAJOR chafing.
Two Thrones is definitely a solid game, but in the attempt to be somewhere in between SoT and WW in terms of setting and tone it feels a little lost in decided what it's trying to be. The writing's a bit generic, the levels VERY linear, the combat a little tamer than WW and the chariot chases can go die in a fire.
Forgotten Sands feels like someone else making a PoP game in that it just feels a little bit off. The running-jumping-fighting mechanics are all fine, but they're just different enough from the other games to feel slightly wrong somehow. Still a fun game, mind, and the elemental powers are fun, but the bosses are weak and it's oddly short compared to the others.
PoP '08... it's weird. I used to call it Quick-Time-Event: The Game, but then Heavy Rain came out and proved what a QTE game actually is, so now I have to call it Auto-Pilot: The Game. The whole idea of the game is that you're rarely not moving, and the whole 'no death' thing means that the flow of the game is almost constant, and everything's been simplified to maintain that (from the controls to the game mechanics), but yeah, it does make it rather easy as well.
None of the games are out-and-out bad. At their worst, they're still perfectly enjoyable games. But each one has their own flaws and quirks, which is why I say get 'em all. They're all different, and you're bound to like at least one of them.
Also of note is that it uses Ubisoft's always-on DRM, which I didn't notice until just after I bought it just now.