Just got word from Kotaku that Episode 2 could release next week. Didn't pay much mind to the bulk of the article (don't want to risk spoilers), but here's hoping this happens to be the case. While I'm not certain as to the credibility of this particular source, it does present hope in these moments of uncertainty.
so your claiming ttg aren't passionate (ep2 fiasco aside) ? aren't ttg kind of indie ?
Nah, TTG are passionate, they just aren't respectful enough to tell their fanbase what's going on. It's been a total communication blackout. Anyone that works on a game based on The Walking Dead would have to be passionate. TTG are an indie-ish company but then again they do have the IP for The Walking Dead so we'll see where they go as time rolls on.
Sorry for my Zomboid post it was completely ridiculous but I was just trying to point people to a cause where their money would be appreciated, that's all.
Too right piss poor behaviour, they had a verbal contract with what was on there F.A.Q page now they change it in a attemped to bullshit us , lets just hope they go back to to kiddie games and leave the good franchise like the walking dead alone
A good franchise? I have no want to read TWD comics and the tv show was so boring i gave up after three episodes. However TWDG is compelling and interesting so they took an unappealing franchise and made it fun
They trade in Europe so they have to abide by european laws as microsoft about that :rolleyes:
No they don't. A international treaty, that applies in Europe, states that in case of a international contract the law that applies to it, is the law where the company/person, who has the specific contractual obligation, has it's HQ or residence. (ex: in a sale, the specific obligation belongs to the seller).
So the only law TTG has to abide are the law where their (main) HQ is.
(sorry for the bad english)
A good franchise? I have no want to read TWD comics and the tv show was so boring i gave up after three episodes. However TWDG is compelling and interesting so they took an unappealing franchise and made it fun
from someone who has never read the comics that's a pretty bold statement. from someone who has read all of them, they are mind blowing. It would surprise me that if you liked the game and didn't enjoy the comics.
from someone who has never read the comics that's a pretty bold statement. from someone who has read all of them, they are mind blowing. It would surprise me that if you liked the game and didn't enjoy the comics.
It is about principle for me at this point. Telltale games said once a month for 5 months and it isn't unrealistic for me to think they should do what they say.
A real question for you: did they ever say in a row? Just saying...
Again, train wreck I can’t seem to stop gawking at (obviously a character flaw I need to work on). Telltale is not pulling some conspiracy, they do not think their fan base is compiled of idiots, and they are not purposely lying. They are being conscientious by not releasing Episode 2 until its good to go. To be the best experience for the players. Yes, TWDG was pimped to be ‘monthly’ releases, but obviously that didn’t happen but just as obviously it must be for a reason. Seriously, I wish my cable provider was this committed to offering a reliable service. All of this inflammatory posting is just vulgar posturing w/ no good outcome. I myself have quite the potty mouth, w/ a vast amount of interesting and entertaining colorful words to choose from, but I save them for greater effect. Not to illustrate stomping my feet and holding my breath (like a 2 y/o) over the delayed release of a GAME.
All of you that are still pissed off at Telltale the best thing that you could do would be to support Project Zomboid. After all, at least you know that if you buy Project Zomboid (for a meager $8) that you are supporting some indie developers and fueling their passion for creating a game.
I love PZ I and 3 fellow suvivors all held up in a farm, borded the doors and lived there until they all turned on each other (over food I assume).
Then the zombie eventually turned up after I shot the last crazy survivor, brilliant ever changing game. Can't wait till the new graphicc version comes out.
Or give money to Dead state, but the game I am def holding out for is The last of us.
To add to the devs slime they have been deleting neg posts of their facebook, even people who have just made complaints in a mature manner, surley they realise this will drop sales :S
Again, train wreck I can’t seem to stop gawking at (obviously a character flaw I need to work on). Telltale is not pulling some conspiracy, they do not think their fan base is compiled of idiots, and they are not purposely lying. They are being conscientious by not releasing Episode 2 until its good to go. To be the best experience for the players. Yes, TWDG was pimped to be ‘monthly’ releases, but obviously that didn’t happen but just as obviously it must be for a reason. Seriously, I wish my cable provider was this committed to offering a reliable service. All of this inflammatory posting is just vulgar posturing w/ no good outcome. I myself have quite the potty mouth, w/ a vast amount of interesting and entertaining colorful words to choose from, but I save them for greater effect. Not to illustrate stomping my feet and holding my breath (like a 2 y/o) over the delayed release of a GAME.
this times a million
Also imo some of the whingers make it sound like 25 bucks(or the equivalent) broke the bank or they had to smash their beloved piggy bank and all the happy memories they ha dof it are like farts in the wind..
If TTG didn't give a rats ass about us consumers they wouldn't of
a) changed the faq
b) given us the june estimate
c) bothered to turn up at e3 with ep2 running
Again, train wreck I can’t seem to stop gawking at (obviously a character flaw I need to work on). Telltale is not pulling some conspiracy, they do not think their fan base is compiled of idiots, and they are not purposely lying. They are being conscientious by not releasing Episode 2 until its good to go. To be the best experience for the players. Yes, TWDG was pimped to be ‘monthly’ releases, but obviously that didn’t happen but just as obviously it must be for a reason. Seriously, I wish my cable provider was this committed to offering a reliable service. All of this inflammatory posting is just vulgar posturing w/ no good outcome. I myself have quite the potty mouth, w/ a vast amount of interesting and entertaining colorful words to choose from, but I save them for greater effect. Not to illustrate stomping my feet and holding my breath (like a 2 y/o) over the delayed release of a GAME.
Saying you'll release monthly and not doing so is still fake advertisement, which in my country is a crime, dunno about yours.
Saying you'll release monthly and not doing so is still fake advertisement, which in my country is a crime, dunno about yours.
all this law stuff is doing my head in...
would a pregnant woman sue her doctor if the baby is late ? no
Would a commuter sue the transport company if his or her train is late ? no
Would a trapeze artist sue his partner for not catching them ? no
I do understand people frustrations but if everyone sued over every little disagreement and statments that are made with educated guess work that prove to be false for a small period of time..like a month or two..
what would the world come to ? v for vendetta anyone ? judge dredd ?
yes games have bugs regardless of how many games people make #cough gears of war 2/3 rank reset...#
doesn't mean they can fix everything quicker each time..
twd is a new ip and even maybe a new engine ? some games take longer cough dnf cough than others or can be rehashed with a spit and polish cough cod cough
and they still could be gawd awfull...
if half life 3 /hl2 episode 3 is anything to go by dev's have to way up the options of giving away info and holding it back... i feel been in the dark is annoying but ultimately when we are given the facts we are going to believe them....
would a pregnant woman sue her doctor if the baby is late ? no
Would a commuter sue the transport company if his or her train is late ? no
Would a trapeze artist sue his partner for not catching them ? no
..
Those are all nothing to do with the entertainment industry...let's give a unbiased example such as another form of entertainment, you would get angry if a film company threw you out halfway through a film, if a DVD had only a quarter of the stuff on it and you had to wait an extra few months, you'd be pissed
Those are all nothing to do with the entertainment industry...let's give a unbiased example such as another form of entertainment, you would get angry if a film company threw you out halfway through a film, if a DVD had only a quarter of the stuff on it and you had to wait an extra few months, you'd be pissed
That analogy fails. TT advertised that it was episodic, before anybody spent any money, as is the case with every game. I don't see how you can compare it to being thrown out of a film, as when you go to the cinema, you spend money, with the knowledge you are able to watch the film in it's entirety from start to finish.
Those are all nothing to do with the entertainment industry...let's give a unbiased example such as another form of entertainment, you would get angry if a film company threw you out halfway through a film, if a DVD had only a quarter of the stuff on it and you had to wait an extra few months, you'd be pissed
I would be pissed because I wasn't told this. However, TTG openly stated that was their business model. For gods sake people, do you guys even read anything? Getting mad over the whole June thing, fine(although bringing up legalities and suing is just flat out crazy.), getting mad over not noticing something flat out stated to you in multiple ways is just pathetic.
Saying you'll release monthly and not doing so is still fake advertisement, which in my country is a crime, dunno about yours.
Have a look at my post on page 32. Telltale gave the fans an approximate release time. Their statement is not a guaranteed release time. As long as Telltale releases within a year I don't believe the company has committed a crime. If the company takes over a year, then the approximate release time would slowly transform to false advertising. (However, I'm no lawyer; I'm not sure how approximation promises are really handled. My opinion is just an educated guess. :P )
Have you seen the facebook page? It's depressing. Obviously people don't understand how episodic games work. You didn't see anybody complaining, when there was 2 months between sam and max episodes. The thing is, a lot of potential new customers will be turned away by this, which will only hurt Telltale in the long run.
That analogy fails. TT advertised that it was episodic, before anybody spent any money, as is the case with every game. I don't see how you can compare it to being thrown out of a film, as when you go to the cinema, you spend money, with the knowledge you are able to watch the film in it's entirety from start to finish.
Okay well in my mind at least a more fair comparision would be a TV show. If 'Dexter' was supposed to play 1 episode per month, and the first one was on April 24th and the 2nd one wasn't ready by May 24th people would be pissed. Especially when the producers of the show pretend that its a non-issue that the 2nd episode is being delayed, and in fact don't even notify or communicate that fact to their viewers.
That's not so fair. Duke Nukem had a "When it's done" release date. TWD will release this month until Telltale show another video where at the end we will see "July, we're on the beach, fellas".
Of course, I won't trust in Telltale at "release dates" matters anymore. They don't even inform when they have a delay and tell another date like if were the initial plans considering the customers as idiots.
Have a look at my post on page 32. Telltale gave the fans an approximate release time. Their statement is not a guaranteed release time. As long as Telltale releases within a year I don't believe the company has committed a crime. If the company takes over a year, then the approximate release time would slowly transform to false advertising. (However, I'm no lawyer; I'm not sure how approximation promises are really handled. My opinion is just an educated guess. :P )
That was just put in recently dumb dumb
Also would you get angry if you bought a item of amazon and its over a month late.
People would get angry if the walking dead tv shows 1 episode then next week doesn't show ep 2 witthout any explanation.
'Tis funny people whine about 25 dollars because they cant read then threaten to sue which costs about 50 times that just to see a solictor and for them to tell you, you don't have a case. chances are u dont have that money to throw around in the first place.
so what over 1200 posts and u still don't see it's not going anywhere... priceless:)
Maybe if they quit doin all these stupid playing dead episodes they might get the next game episode out.. Seriously hurry up this is really disappointing havin to wait this long for an episode that last 30 mins of game play...
Also would you get angry if you bought a item of amazon and its over a month late.
People would get angry if the walking dead tv shows 1 episode then next week doesn't show ep 2 witthout any explanation.
I'd appreciate it if you restrained yourself from using insults. :P Currently there's no way for people to know about changes unless they have been checking the website frequently. (Wayback Machine doesn't even have the FAQ section archived.) I wonder if Telltale is allowed to make changes to this information; maybe people are overlooking something in the license agreement which allows Telltale to legally change their goals. (Or something.)
To be honest I wouldn't be angry; I'd understand the shipment is not entirely in my control. So many things can affect the outcome of another thing. (I've had shippings delayed before.)
But yeah, not having an explanation does make people angry. Silly Telltale.
Valve never said monthly release, and started taking peoples money over a 1/5th finished game. Did TTG ever consider people have entertainment budgets, and they took money that money, but haven't delivered? Also correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't a new IP seeing as it's based in TWD. I wouldn't consider JP or BTTF new IP's either. TTG People are more passionate about this release than an two twenty year old movie games in BTTF, JP or other point n click games like S&M. Who would have guessed? Me? Thats right. How did TTG expect people to react to this bad news when they can't even put out a press release even with a apology.
I handle Quality Assurance at another company dealing with major brands, and let me say that the way TTG is handling this is awful. If you can't make your deadline because the game need more polish, you discovered a major bug, or whatever, you'll gather more good will explaining it rather than putting your head in the sand. Sorry company image means something, and right now TTG's is in the crapper.
Maybe if they quit doin all these stupid playing dead episodes they might get the next game episode out.. Seriously hurry up this is really disappointing havin to wait this long for an episode that last 30 mins of game play...
There are 4 episodes(Note that 3 were before episode 1 was even out and it arrived on time, leaving only 1 episode to even have a chance of effecting episode 2) that last about 10 minutes with 3 people(one is a voice actor not even listed for WD) while everyone else works on the game... Yeah, I don't think that's why the game was delayed...
Valve never said monthly release, and started taking peoples money over a 1/5th finished game. Did TTG ever consider people have entertainment budgets, and they took money that money, but haven't delivered?
Dozens of developers have been doing that on Kickstarter these past months, and some of them are going to fail. I completely understand if anyone isn't into the 'buy now play later' model, because it guarantees nothing. Even preordering can be precarious, some people had their Duke Nukem receipts for ten years!
That said, if you don't like this model, for god sakes don't get involved in it. They'll probably be a complete boxed version released a few months after the final episode finishes, so wait till then. Otherwise be prepared to be more directly affected by the development process, and for unexpected problems to pop up that you would never have encountered had you waited for the final product. It's not all bad though, there are bonuses too. Your feedback can prompt changes in the game before it's finished. When TellTale learned everyone hated the Soda Poppers in Sam & Max, the season changed to acknowledge that. An significant annoyance was removed and transformed into something brilliant!
And hey, TellTale showed up at E3 with episode 2. I would've thought that might calm things down a bit around here.
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It would be worse if a half year went by for every episode. Half Life?
Link to the article:
http://kotaku.com/5917010/why-the-walking-dead-game-isnt-in-black-and-white
Nah, TTG are passionate, they just aren't respectful enough to tell their fanbase what's going on. It's been a total communication blackout. Anyone that works on a game based on The Walking Dead would have to be passionate. TTG are an indie-ish company but then again they do have the IP for The Walking Dead so we'll see where they go as time rolls on.
Sorry for my Zomboid post it was completely ridiculous but I was just trying to point people to a cause where their money would be appreciated, that's all.
A good franchise? I have no want to read TWD comics and the tv show was so boring i gave up after three episodes. However TWDG is compelling and interesting so they took an unappealing franchise and made it fun
No they don't. A international treaty, that applies in Europe, states that in case of a international contract the law that applies to it, is the law where the company/person, who has the specific contractual obligation, has it's HQ or residence. (ex: in a sale, the specific obligation belongs to the seller).
So the only law TTG has to abide are the law where their (main) HQ is.
(sorry for the bad english)
from someone who has never read the comics that's a pretty bold statement. from someone who has read all of them, they are mind blowing. It would surprise me that if you liked the game and didn't enjoy the comics.
They just picked the worst possible way to word it.
This +1
A real question for you: did they ever say in a row? Just saying...
.......really?
I love PZ I and 3 fellow suvivors all held up in a farm, borded the doors and lived there until they all turned on each other (over food I assume).
Then the zombie eventually turned up after I shot the last crazy survivor, brilliant ever changing game. Can't wait till the new graphicc version comes out.
Or give money to Dead state, but the game I am def holding out for is The last of us.
To add to the devs slime they have been deleting neg posts of their facebook, even people who have just made complaints in a mature manner, surley they realise this will drop sales :S
this times a million
Also imo some of the whingers make it sound like 25 bucks(or the equivalent) broke the bank or they had to smash their beloved piggy bank and all the happy memories they ha dof it are like farts in the wind..
If TTG didn't give a rats ass about us consumers they wouldn't of
a) changed the faq
b) given us the june estimate
c) bothered to turn up at e3 with ep2 running
Saying you'll release monthly and not doing so is still fake advertisement, which in my country is a crime, dunno about yours.
all this law stuff is doing my head in...
would a pregnant woman sue her doctor if the baby is late ? no
Would a commuter sue the transport company if his or her train is late ? no
Would a trapeze artist sue his partner for not catching them ? no
I do understand people frustrations but if everyone sued over every little disagreement and statments that are made with educated guess work that prove to be false for a small period of time..like a month or two..
what would the world come to ? v for vendetta anyone ? judge dredd ?
yes games have bugs regardless of how many games people make #cough gears of war 2/3 rank reset...#
doesn't mean they can fix everything quicker each time..
twd is a new ip and even maybe a new engine ? some games take longer cough dnf cough than others or can be rehashed with a spit and polish cough cod cough
and they still could be gawd awfull...
if half life 3 /hl2 episode 3 is anything to go by dev's have to way up the options of giving away info and holding it back... i feel been in the dark is annoying but ultimately when we are given the facts we are going to believe them....
Those are all nothing to do with the entertainment industry...let's give a unbiased example such as another form of entertainment, you would get angry if a film company threw you out halfway through a film, if a DVD had only a quarter of the stuff on it and you had to wait an extra few months, you'd be pissed
I would be pissed because I wasn't told this. However, TTG openly stated that was their business model. For gods sake people, do you guys even read anything? Getting mad over the whole June thing, fine(although bringing up legalities and suing is just flat out crazy.), getting mad over not noticing something flat out stated to you in multiple ways is just pathetic.
but if you insist... duke nukem forever..that is all.
I don't desire to be loud. c: /likes tiny font
Have a look at my post on page 32. Telltale gave the fans an approximate release time. Their statement is not a guaranteed release time. As long as Telltale releases within a year I don't believe the company has committed a crime. If the company takes over a year, then the approximate release time would slowly transform to false advertising. (However, I'm no lawyer; I'm not sure how approximation promises are really handled. My opinion is just an educated guess. :P )
Okay well in my mind at least a more fair comparision would be a TV show. If 'Dexter' was supposed to play 1 episode per month, and the first one was on April 24th and the 2nd one wasn't ready by May 24th people would be pissed. Especially when the producers of the show pretend that its a non-issue that the 2nd episode is being delayed, and in fact don't even notify or communicate that fact to their viewers.
That's not so fair. Duke Nukem had a "When it's done" release date. TWD will release this month until Telltale show another video where at the end we will see "July, we're on the beach, fellas".
Of course, I won't trust in Telltale at "release dates" matters anymore. They don't even inform when they have a delay and tell another date like if were the initial plans considering the customers as idiots.
That was just put in recently dumb dumb
Also would you get angry if you bought a item of amazon and its over a month late.
People would get angry if the walking dead tv shows 1 episode then next week doesn't show ep 2 witthout any explanation.
so what over 1200 posts and u still don't see it's not going anywhere... priceless:)
I'd appreciate it if you restrained yourself from using insults. :P Currently there's no way for people to know about changes unless they have been checking the website frequently. (Wayback Machine doesn't even have the FAQ section archived.) I wonder if Telltale is allowed to make changes to this information; maybe people are overlooking something in the license agreement which allows Telltale to legally change their goals. (Or something.)
To be honest I wouldn't be angry; I'd understand the shipment is not entirely in my control. So many things can affect the outcome of another thing. (I've had shippings delayed before.)
But yeah, not having an explanation does make people angry. Silly Telltale.
I handle Quality Assurance at another company dealing with major brands, and let me say that the way TTG is handling this is awful. If you can't make your deadline because the game need more polish, you discovered a major bug, or whatever, you'll gather more good will explaining it rather than putting your head in the sand. Sorry company image means something, and right now TTG's is in the crapper.
Hmm my game has been delayed...... that gives me more time for my experiments
There are 4 episodes(Note that 3 were before episode 1 was even out and it arrived on time, leaving only 1 episode to even have a chance of effecting episode 2) that last about 10 minutes with 3 people(one is a voice actor not even listed for WD) while everyone else works on the game... Yeah, I don't think that's why the game was delayed...
That said, if you don't like this model, for god sakes don't get involved in it. They'll probably be a complete boxed version released a few months after the final episode finishes, so wait till then. Otherwise be prepared to be more directly affected by the development process, and for unexpected problems to pop up that you would never have encountered had you waited for the final product. It's not all bad though, there are bonuses too. Your feedback can prompt changes in the game before it's finished. When TellTale learned everyone hated the Soda Poppers in Sam & Max, the season changed to acknowledge that. An significant annoyance was removed and transformed into something brilliant!
And hey, TellTale showed up at E3 with episode 2. I would've thought that might calm things down a bit around here.
your friend is misinformed its not out yet