Well, I'm still not going to rage about it, but I really want them to either apologize, or simply explain why it was delayed in the first place. I'm glad they gave us a rough date, because that means they aren't setting any specifics. Just think how cool it would have been for them to apologize on camera at E3
I hope people stop complaining and just talk about the new preview and what you guys think about it and start conversations about the video rather than continuing on the release date matter.
Well to be honest man you just gave me the greatest idea of what I think TTG are doing and why they haven't given us any info.
My reasoning is:
Are you even realizing what you guys are doing ? You're "Eating each other", exactly like what is happening in the game. Lee and the rest are eating each other, insulting and trying to keep the situation as clean as possible. Even if it means killing someone who they THINK is bitten. All these facts are happening here in this particular thread/forum and that's what and why TTG didn't release any info, to see for themselves how WE(TTG customers) react to all this and to know if the impact of the game affects us to. They would have probably released the info you all been waiting for once all this was seen and proved.
Well this is my whole theory about the whole thing.
Looking forward to all responses about the post :P
I've explained my thoughts about the matter in my old posts. I could just copy them right here but the mods will kill me for sure this time. Basically, i respect the people who complain kindly, i also respect the people who dont complain, i dont think anyone should tell another person to not complain if that person was complaining kindly, it's that persons opinion and customers choice to express their thoughts, i didnt see anyone here who said 'hey people why dont you complain'. I think everyone should learn to(not written in an offensive way) respect the thoughts of others(again, if they expressed them kindly). Btw as in my other posts, i did not write this with anger towards you or anyone else, these are my opinions. If you wish to learn my opinions about the TTG vs customers thing, you can read my old posts but i cant write the same things every time because that would be polluting the thread.:)
If you wish to learn my opinions about the TTG vs customers thing, you can read my old posts but i cant write the same things every time because that would be polluting the thread.:)
I've explained my thoughts about the matter in my old posts. I could just copy them right here but the mods will kill me for sure this time. Basically, i respect the people who complain kindly, i also respect the people who dont complain, i dont think anyone should tell another person to not complain if that person was complaining kindly, it's that persons opinion and customers choice to express their thoughts, i didnt see anyone here who said 'hey people why dont you complain'. I think everyone should learn to(not written in an offensive way) respect the thoughts of others(again, if they expressed them kindly). Btw as in my other posts, i did not write this with anger towards you or anyone else, these are my opinions. If you wish to learn my opinions about the TTG vs customers thing, you can read my old posts but i cant write the same things every time because that would be polluting the thread.:)
Firstly I didn't tell people to stop complaining not at all. I was merely stating that as I provided people with information there should be less to nearly 0 complaints now :P Only was stating a fact Besides this all, what I hate about complaining is that people don't have time to read through all these posts as if they do they should find most of their answer. Why do they HAVE to ask the same question over, over, over and over again ? It's soooo boring hearing the same thing. If they just stop for a second and read they would not ask the same question as that would have already been said. That's my point in all of this. Have nothing against people complaining, but to have loads of people ask the same question gets itchy every time. I hope you can see my point
PS: you quoted all that and you didn't say anything about the rest of it :P
When I paid for all five episodes they said each game would b released monthly I guess delays do happen but telltale don't do what thq dose. Address the problem or you well lose plenty of money by playing ur stupid "games" tell us what the f is going on or u will go bankrupt cuz there plenty of other game producer who do the right thing.
Much like Guild Wars 2, it will be done when it's done. Those of us that have complained about the release date issue (At least the intelligent ones.) understand this. However, people feel they have been used and taken advantage of, and I feel similar about the situation. That's what people are saying, for the most part. We understand that whining about the release date won't make it come faster, we simply want Telltale to explain themselves. That's all. I know many companies that are the same size as Telltale that take the time to interact with their consumers and give them frequent updates, even if it's only to say "Soon." or "We hope to get it out in a few months." Even if they came and told us all to shut up and wait, that'd be better than nothing.
And because I'm starting to feel like a broken record, this will be my last statement on the matter. Now, please, everyone calm down. There's nothing more we can do to get Telltale to listen. The only thing constant whining does is hurt others like the forum mods that have to sift through these threads all the time. Now, we can only wait. I'm glad the mods here don't instantly lock a topic when a discussion gets heated, as many other forum moderators do. It drives me nuts when it happens. Because the way I see it, once both sides of an argument (Even if it seems heated. Now, if it involves swearing and insults, that's different, I believe it should be locked then.) state their opinions they can come to an agreement (Even if it's just to agree to disagree.) and everyone's happy.
My thoughts are unorganized, because who even cares? :P
A. The game should have come out already. We all know that. B. Telltale should have let us know what's going on now. C. When its done its done sooooo lets stop bitchin;)
would a pregnant woman sue her doctor if the baby is late ? no
Would a commuter sue the transport company if his or her train is late ? no
Would a trapeze artist sue his partner for not catching them ? no
I do understand people frustrations but if everyone sued over every little disagreement and statments that are made with educated guess work that prove to be false for a small period of time..like a month or two..
what would the world come to ? v for vendetta anyone ? judge dredd ?
yes games have bugs regardless of how many games people make #cough gears of war 2/3 rank reset...#
doesn't mean they can fix everything quicker each time..
twd is a new ip and even maybe a new engine ? some games take longer cough dnf cough than others or can be rehashed with a spit and polish cough cod cough
and they still could be gawd awfull...
if half life 3 /hl2 episode 3 is anything to go by dev's have to way up the options of giving away info and holding it back... i feel been in the dark is annoying but ultimately when we are given the facts we are going to believe them....
Does the doctor advertise for "9 months guaranteed"?
no.
Does the transport company advertise for "you there, in time."?
no.
Does the trapeze artist advertise for "I'll always be there for you"?
no.
The difference is SAYING you'll do something IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CONSUMER BUY YOUR PRODUCT.
The misleading conduct of the advertisement is the problem.
If they had advertised "5 episodes with unpredictable release dates", I'd never have bought it until ep5 was released. Still would've bought it anyway, if the suckers that waited six years for a "5-month" period told me it was a good game.
But because of that misleading advertisement, now I'm one of those suckers.
I'm a software developer, don't come at me with "delays have causes", because well managed projects don't have that kind of shizzies.
and your argument falls flat because in order for that to be the case they would have had to have promised something they knew they weren't going to deliver on. That was not the case here. Please learn your law before you go to your lawyer (which I doubt you can afford if you are complaining like this. People with lawyers tend to know when something is illegal.)
Well, you just made my argument more valid than ever.
They knew it was an APPROXIMATION , as they say, but never stated that in the advertisement. Which misleads the consumer into buying something.
False advertisement right there. Your laws might differ from mine, but my sister in-law (don't know how to right that properly) is a lawyer , I did some research on that and I'm pretty sure I could take TTG to court and win my 25 bucks back if they even were located on my country.
The problem with buying things out of your country is that consumer laws are different throughout the world...
Damn yeah, my english skills are not that refined, when it comes to legal terms.
Well, you just made my argument more valid than ever.
They knew it was an APPROXIMATION , as they say, but never stated that in the advertisement. Which misleads the consumer into buying something.
False advertisement right there. Your laws might differ from mine, but my sister in-law (don't know how to right that properly) is a lawyer , I did some research on that and I'm pretty sure I could take TTG to court and win my 25 bucks back if they even were located on my country.
The problem with buying things out of your country is that consumer laws are different throughout the world...
You don't need to take TTG to court for a refund. Send them an e-mail and I suppose that they will do it to you if you are tired of waiting or of their attitude.:rolleyes:
Do you know how much must you pay at a lawyer? More than 25$, for sure.
Soon people. Soon. Go do something productive in the meantime;)
Stop telling people what to do!
If I want to spend my waiting time lying in bed watching meaningless football matches or doing something similarly unproductive, I will.
You don't need to take TTG to court for a refund. Send them an e-mail and I suppose that they will do it to you if you are tired of waiting or of their attitude.:rolleyes:
Do you know how much must you pay at a lawyer? More than 25$, for sure.
I really don't see that refund coming, seriously. STEAM still grants me the right to play, so if they refunded me, they'd have to withdraw the license from my steam key. Don't really know how that works, but I'm pretty sure there's a no-refund policy somewhere hidden.
About all the lawyer stuff, it's just an example using legal terms to explain the misleading conduct of the advertisement. I don't really intend to sue TTG for 25 bucks. Seriously, I make 25 bucks during coffee break.
My thoughts are:
old users (players of other TTG games before TWD) are fine with the delay;
new users (first TTG game was TWD) were not ready for it;
Why? Misleading ad.
Solution:
1-Fix the ad NOW on Steam;
2-Public apologies;
It hasn't been that friendly to make us GUESS when the game will be released, now that we spent money on it.
If it's a monthly release, it WILL be released 30 days after the first copy was sold, right? Oh, that time has passed...
Sorry about that.
See? Not that hard.
Oh and one more thing: IF I'd ever sue a game company for a refund, I'd sue them for the lost time, for the moral damage of the feeling at being scammed and I'm pretty sure a good lawyer could find 25 other laws to sue them for. We'd be talking about something at least a thousand times bigger than my 25 bucks. Not that I'd do so though.
I really don't see that refund coming, seriously. STEAM still grants me the right to play, so if they refunded me, they'd have to withdraw the license from my steam key. Don't really know how that works, but I'm pretty sure there's a no-refund policy somewhere hidden.
About all the lawyer stuff, it's just an example using legal terms to explain the misleading conduct of the advertisement. I don't really intend to sue TTG for 25 bucks. Seriously, I make 25 bucks during coffee break.
My thoughts are:
old users (players of other TTG games before TWD) are fine with the delay;
new users (first TTG game was TWD) were not ready for it;
Why? Misleading ad.
Solution:
1-Fix the ad NOW on Steam;
2-Public apologies;
It hasn't been that friendly to make us GUESS when the game will be released, now that we spent money on it.
If it's a monthly release, it WILL be released 30 days after the first copy was sold, right? Oh, that time has passed...
Sorry about that.
See? Not that hard.
Oh and one more thing: IF I'd ever sue a game company for a refund, I'd sue them for the lost time, for the moral damage of the feeling at being scammed and I'm pretty sure a good lawyer could find 25 other laws to sue them for. We'd be talking about something at least a thousand times bigger than my 25 bucks. Not that I'd do so though.
Don't misunderstand me. I am mostly agree with you. Telltale should explain or apologize for this but they are hiding their heads in the sand. I didn't expect this manners from Telltale towards their paying customers.
I can't believe they haven't said anything at all. I don't really care that they haven't specified a date cause that leads to polls and the discussions are interesting to say the least. What bothers me is that they haven't acknowledged that they missed their desired launch plan for every month and insure us that they are still working on it.
Im just saying makes for better PR especially since the game is episodic
That is more like a "skit" and less of a "review" of how he thinks Portal 2 was not a good sequel to Portal (1) (or not better that P1). He complains that it dragged between puzzles, and how the puzzles were too easy, how it was less original (something about not much being added, just more of the same), etc...
The only thing i agree with this guy is that P2 has no replay value. But hey, how many puzzle games, that focus on mostly the puzzles have replay value. How many times can you solve a puzzle, even if it had multiple solutions(2-3). I mean i played P1 just once and saw no need to replay it afterword, except if i wanted to hear Glados once more , though you can watch someones playthrough....
I would have posted one of DSP's (DarksydePhil) youtube reviews from his series called "The Hateful Truth", where he reviews games giving his honest opinion, as a common gamer and independent reviewer, on all the aspects of a game not just what he likes or not just what he dislikes. Unfortunately i can't find the episode about P2, though i remember seeing it (f*ing Youtube).
Anyway at the end of his playthrough he says why it's a good sequel: significant improvement of gameplay from the first game, amazing soundtrack, good plot, good twists, good puzzles, great that the characters returned, also he liked the co-op puzzles.
Sorry for the long off-topic post...
I think P2 is worth multiple playthroughs the question is it worth Multiple CONSECUTIVE playthroughs {i probably could have just underlined it rather then capitalizing oh well]
I think P2 is worth multiple playthroughs the question is it worth Multiple CONSECUTIVE playthroughs {i probably could have just underlined it rather then capitalizing oh well]
Ah yes, if you put it that way... maybe over a long period of time you would forget some of the puzzles and it might be worth it. Than again I already sold it...
Nunya wants a refund, not sueing them. What's the problem?
And yes, Telltale lied, you can like it or not but it's what happened, because this is not officially a "delay". It's normal there's people that wanted a refund.
It still doesn't make it false advertisement. In cases of false advertisement it has to be intentionally misleading information. They intended to release the games on a monthly schedule. That they were not able to was something that happened after the fact. And the other part is proving they intentionally lied. If you want a refund, you are more than welcome to it, but being libelous does not make it more true.
I agree that all this slient treatment isn't helping matters. They could have posted some info, as all people are doing is tearing into each other. Also on the facebook page, I only ever see negative comments.
(DarksydePhil) youtube reviews from his series called "The Hateful Truth", where he reviews games giving his honest opinion, as a common gamer and independent reviewer, on all the aspects of a game not just what he likes or not just what he dislikes. Unfortunately i can't find the episode about P2, though i remember seeing it (f*ing Youtube).
Anyway at the end of his playthrough he says why it's a good sequel: significant improvement of gameplay from the first game, amazing soundtrack, good plot, good twists, good puzzles, great that the characters returned, also he liked the co-op puzzles.
Sorry for the long off-topic post...
If 'yahtzee' whole point is humour and ownging fanboi's 'skit' partly but not always how come he still makes ALL the same points your 'guy' does but says it a bit different with humour...at least thats what i take from it...
he says compared to p1, p2 fails in some way's but on it's own without p1 it's a great game..
everyone has a different opinion that much is very clear...
I don't generally join forums, but I'm bored enough and frustrated enough to voice my opinion on this one.
As I see it, the problem with this situation is that:
1. Telltale gave expectations that episodes would be released monthly
2. Telltale have not lived up to these expectations
3. Telltale have then not communicated any reasons for this delay or released any information
4. People, like me, who are in desperate need of something to do so they can procrastinate from uni work or who have just been looking forward to this game end up having to check for information on when it may be released and get increasingly frustrated when there is still no information...
I myself would be happy if I could check the website and see an update from Telltale saying that there have been delays, for whatever reason, and that they would give more information on a release date as soon as they can.
It's like standing at a counter waiting to be served and being totally ignored because they're busy...the longer you wait the more frustrated you'll become, where a simple "sorry, we're busy at the moment, we'll get to you when we can" would be enough to calm you down (at least for a little while ).
Anyway, enough venting and procrastination - back to study!
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I'm not exactly one to take Yahtzee seriously though. I treat him more on a comedic standpoint.
some times he is serious but due to his humour it gets missed
sometimes i disgree with him but not on that
i will post up his review of twd when he does it
what does anybody think about a dual realise...
probably wont happen
I've explained my thoughts about the matter in my old posts. I could just copy them right here but the mods will kill me for sure this time. Basically, i respect the people who complain kindly, i also respect the people who dont complain, i dont think anyone should tell another person to not complain if that person was complaining kindly, it's that persons opinion and customers choice to express their thoughts, i didnt see anyone here who said 'hey people why dont you complain'. I think everyone should learn to(not written in an offensive way) respect the thoughts of others(again, if they expressed them kindly). Btw as in my other posts, i did not write this with anger towards you or anyone else, these are my opinions. If you wish to learn my opinions about the TTG vs customers thing, you can read my old posts but i cant write the same things every time because that would be polluting the thread.:)
Hate...leads to suffering.
It will come.
Hear, hear!
Seriously? I thought 17th for some reason!! Back of the net!!!
Stop it, Im getting excited now!:D
issue 99 dosnt come out till June 20th 2012;)
Firstly I didn't tell people to stop complaining not at all. I was merely stating that as I provided people with information there should be less to nearly 0 complaints now :P Only was stating a fact
PS: you quoted all that and you didn't say anything about the rest of it :P
Shut yo mouth it will come out tomorrow and we will all be happy little people.
3D Realms have the copyright for that phrase.
And because I'm starting to feel like a broken record, this will be my last statement on the matter. Now, please, everyone calm down. There's nothing more we can do to get Telltale to listen. The only thing constant whining does is hurt others like the forum mods that have to sift through these threads all the time. Now, we can only wait. I'm glad the mods here don't instantly lock a topic when a discussion gets heated, as many other forum moderators do. It drives me nuts when it happens. Because the way I see it, once both sides of an argument (Even if it seems heated. Now, if it involves swearing and insults, that's different, I believe it should be locked then.) state their opinions they can come to an agreement (Even if it's just to agree to disagree.) and everyone's happy.
My thoughts are unorganized, because who even cares? :P
Does the doctor advertise for "9 months guaranteed"?
no.
Does the transport company advertise for "you there, in time."?
no.
Does the trapeze artist advertise for "I'll always be there for you"?
no.
The difference is SAYING you'll do something IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CONSUMER BUY YOUR PRODUCT.
The misleading conduct of the advertisement is the problem.
If they had advertised "5 episodes with unpredictable release dates", I'd never have bought it until ep5 was released. Still would've bought it anyway, if the suckers that waited six years for a "5-month" period told me it was a good game.
But because of that misleading advertisement, now I'm one of those suckers.
I'm a software developer, don't come at me with "delays have causes", because well managed projects don't have that kind of shizzies.
Damn yeah, my english skills are not that refined, when it comes to legal terms.
Well, you just made my argument more valid than ever.
They knew it was an APPROXIMATION , as they say, but never stated that in the advertisement. Which misleads the consumer into buying something.
False advertisement right there. Your laws might differ from mine, but my sister in-law (don't know how to right that properly) is a lawyer , I did some research on that and I'm pretty sure I could take TTG to court and win my 25 bucks back if they even were located on my country.
The problem with buying things out of your country is that consumer laws are different throughout the world...
You don't need to take TTG to court for a refund. Send them an e-mail and I suppose that they will do it to you if you are tired of waiting or of their attitude.:rolleyes:
Do you know how much must you pay at a lawyer? More than 25$, for sure.
Stop telling people what to do!
If I want to spend my waiting time lying in bed watching meaningless football matches or doing something similarly unproductive, I will.
I really don't see that refund coming, seriously. STEAM still grants me the right to play, so if they refunded me, they'd have to withdraw the license from my steam key. Don't really know how that works, but I'm pretty sure there's a no-refund policy somewhere hidden.
About all the lawyer stuff, it's just an example using legal terms to explain the misleading conduct of the advertisement. I don't really intend to sue TTG for 25 bucks. Seriously, I make 25 bucks during coffee break.
My thoughts are:
old users (players of other TTG games before TWD) are fine with the delay;
new users (first TTG game was TWD) were not ready for it;
Why? Misleading ad.
Solution:
1-Fix the ad NOW on Steam;
2-Public apologies;
It hasn't been that friendly to make us GUESS when the game will be released, now that we spent money on it.
If it's a monthly release, it WILL be released 30 days after the first copy was sold, right? Oh, that time has passed...
Sorry about that.
See? Not that hard.
Oh and one more thing: IF I'd ever sue a game company for a refund, I'd sue them for the lost time, for the moral damage of the feeling at being scammed and I'm pretty sure a good lawyer could find 25 other laws to sue them for. We'd be talking about something at least a thousand times bigger than my 25 bucks. Not that I'd do so though.
Don't misunderstand me. I am mostly agree with you. Telltale should explain or apologize for this but they are hiding their heads in the sand. I didn't expect this manners from Telltale towards their paying customers.
Im just saying makes for better PR especially since the game is episodic
The only thing i agree with this guy is that P2 has no replay value. But hey, how many puzzle games, that focus on mostly the puzzles have replay value. How many times can you solve a puzzle, even if it had multiple solutions(2-3). I mean i played P1 just once and saw no need to replay it afterword, except if i wanted to hear Glados once more , though you can watch someones playthrough....
I would have posted one of DSP's (DarksydePhil) youtube reviews from his series called "The Hateful Truth", where he reviews games giving his honest opinion, as a common gamer and independent reviewer, on all the aspects of a game not just what he likes or not just what he dislikes. Unfortunately i can't find the episode about P2, though i remember seeing it (f*ing Youtube).
Anyway at the end of his playthrough he says why it's a good sequel: significant improvement of gameplay from the first game, amazing soundtrack, good plot, good twists, good puzzles, great that the characters returned, also he liked the co-op puzzles.
Sorry for the long off-topic post...
It still doesn't make it false advertisement. In cases of false advertisement it has to be intentionally misleading information. They intended to release the games on a monthly schedule. That they were not able to was something that happened after the fact. And the other part is proving they intentionally lied. If you want a refund, you are more than welcome to it, but being libelous does not make it more true.
Thanks
If 'yahtzee' whole point is humour and ownging fanboi's 'skit' partly but not always how come he still makes ALL the same points your 'guy' does but says it a bit different with humour...at least thats what i take from it...
he says compared to p1, p2 fails in some way's but on it's own without p1 it's a great game..
everyone has a different opinion that much is very clear...
back on topic now....
As I see it, the problem with this situation is that:
1. Telltale gave expectations that episodes would be released monthly
2. Telltale have not lived up to these expectations
3. Telltale have then not communicated any reasons for this delay or released any information
4. People, like me, who are in desperate need of something to do so they can procrastinate from uni work or who have just been looking forward to this game end up having to check for information on when it may be released and get increasingly frustrated when there is still no information...
I myself would be happy if I could check the website and see an update from Telltale saying that there have been delays, for whatever reason, and that they would give more information on a release date as soon as they can.
It's like standing at a counter waiting to be served and being totally ignored because they're busy...the longer you wait the more frustrated you'll become, where a simple "sorry, we're busy at the moment, we'll get to you when we can" would be enough to calm you down (at least for a little while
Anyway, enough venting and procrastination - back to study!