don,t forget guys, the eu psn store doesn,t update till sometime between 4 and 5 in the afternoon, thats uk time of course so other european users may have to take that into account. not much point worrying until then, although i,m just as eager to have the second episode as anyone else
that might be true but since we haven't heard a thing from ttg or the ps blog about the release, i don't think we will be able to play it today.
Well I'm not holding my breath for a release today. It has now been 6 days since TTG's PR manager last uttered a tweet about the episode (except for a retweet from Sony 4 days ago) and a retweet from Telltale Games (And I though he was the PR manager?) 16 hours ago - "We're working with our partners at SCEE to finalize a release date for The Walking Dead: Ep. 2 on PSN EU. We'll update as soon as we can."
I hear you. I am baffled on why the company with so much experience can't seem to release the episodes as promised.
What troubles me further is that the game media is praising TTG to no end and looks away from the negative side that we have to live with.
I am curious as to the press' stance on the initial delay as well, especially towards what happened at E3. The bite-sized info we got turned out to be very true, but was hardly the result of "press inquiries".
But "so much experience"?! Telltale is not even six years old, and you keep forgetting that - especially in negotiations with Sony - Telltale just doesn't bear the same corporate weight as the industry giants. This is not a 3.000+ employee company like EA. This is a 90 employee game maker who did well fail in their communication this last month, but can not be accounted for those very last steps of the release schedule which are out of their hands.
Due to the certification processes, consoles were ALWAYS a massive release coordination problem. Look at those last games and you'll see that from delays TTG had nothing to do with to just not releasing a certain games on a certain platform because the release schedule would have too much of a lag, we've had all of that already. That they're even AIMING at simultaneous releases this time is great - but comes at a brutal cost you might also have complained about already.
An episode swiftly slipping from PSN US to EU, that's nothing TTG could enforce without risking good business relations.
I am curious as to the press' stance on the initial delay as well, especially towards what happened at E3. The bite-sized info we got turned out to be very true, but was hardly the result of "press inquiries".
But "so much experience"?! Telltale is not even six years old, and you keep forgetting that - especially in negotiations with Sony - Telltale just doesn't bear the same corporate weight as the industry giants. This is not a 3.000+ employee company like EA. This is a 90 employee game maker who did well fail in their communication this last month, but can not be accounted for those very last steps of the release schedule which are out of their hands.
An episode swiftly slipping from PSN US to EU, that's nothing TTG could enforce without risking good business relations.
Fan boys are always fan boys.......
When will TTG asslickers see the truth? TTG just simply sucks, their games are full of bugs and glitches althought waiting times are always 2 months.....
And I thought Bethesda sucks.....
i am so angry, soooo angry. I bought the season pass! if i dont get an apology i will never buy a telltale game again, no matter how good it is, i dont care if everyone gives it a high score and recommendation, i will never blow my money on this sh***y company again.
I am curious as to the press' stance on the initial delay as well, especially towards what happened at E3. The bite-sized info we got turned out to be very true, but was hardly the result of "press inquiries".
But "so much experience"?! Telltale is not even six years old, and you keep forgetting that - especially in negotiations with Sony - Telltale just doesn't bear the same corporate weight as the industry giants. This is not a 3.000+ employee company like EA. This is a 90 employee game maker who did well fail in their communication this last month, but can not be accounted for those very last steps of the release schedule which are out of their hands.
An episode swiftly slipping from PSN US to EU, that's nothing TTG could enforce without risking good business relations.
Yes the company may be new-ish(at best) six years, okey i'll give you that. But lets look at who acutally works there.
Dan Connors CEO has worked in the video game industry since 1993.
Gordon Radley has been working in the entertainment industry for 35 years
Brett Tosti has been in gaming since 1995 and is the executive producer on this game.
I think this renders your argument about inexperienced in the field invalid.
As you point out its a small company, yet they sold over 1 million copies of the first episode. This fact should give them some leverage on PSN or what ever platform is giving them trouble. Im not encouraging them to use this argument to hassel anyone, but it serves sonys best interest to get it out asap aswell, more revenue and all.
ah, and the E3 thing, well if I where to give some bad news, well that would be the time to do it wouldn't it. All the focus from the media is on show.
TTG being a small company needs to be more upfront when it comes to delays and other info. They are pretty good at telling us what they are doing right(The review page and the accolades trailer).I'm not asking for their first born, just information on when I can play the game I payed for.
Edit: Okey, some gaming sites have pick up on this saying it is not only TTG that have this problem. Push square
But I would still like to see a blog post or a press release from TTG about this. It can be done in a good professional tone so that sony dosn't take offence.
Being a small, and thus not very rich company, I would say they should be even more careful about keeping on their customers' good side. They feel a 100 lost customers a lot more than for example EA or Bioware.
Fan boys are always fan boys.......
When will TTG asslickers see the truth? TTG just simply sucks, their games are full of bugs and glitches althought waiting times are always 2 months.....
And I thought Bethesda sucks.....
i wholeheartedly agree. its very poor of telltale games to stick the blame on someone else and its even poorer when some people on here defend them. their was no problem releasing episode 1 on time for everyone, so that proves it can be done. no matter what the telltale games fan boys say, it doesn,t change the fact that they were over a month late releasing episode 2. when they are late, it holds everyone else up, and thats an inescapable fact. being late is one thing, but not even having a release date? thats bad management and inexcusable. if telltale games have a partnership with sony europe then they should be constantly on at them about when its out
i am now officially p****d off. guess thats another week of silence from telltale games. they have had my money since april now, and i,m still waiting for episode 2 like everyone else
I think this renders your argument about inexperienced in the field invalid.
Inexperienced in the field of episodic releases on consoles, man. Besides Telltale, I don't think anyone else has even TRIED to do this in the last years, and neither PSN nor XBL have been around for so long.
I think they were able to patch a firmware fix for the us psn the day after it released so I don't think that's whats holding them up from releasing the EU version. What's holding them up is anyone's guess. Only Telltale know what's going on, it's a shame they won't update their fans/customers.
What makes me laugh is how vocal they were about this franchise before we paid our money for the first episode and the season passes. They were putting out playing dead videos and all sorts. Now a whole week can pass without so much as an update to reassure those of us still waiting to play episode 2.
Inexperienced in the field of episodic releases on consoles, man. Besides Telltale, I don't think anyone else has even TRIED to do this in the last years, and neither PSN nor XBL have been around for so long.
Back to the Future episodes where delayed aswell as far as I recall. I didn't play it. Although I love the movies, the demo didn't get me hooked. But thats neither here nor there.
If anything this is the company that should be able to pull this off successfully.
They have done alot of episode based games on different platforms.
My major concern is still that TellTale Games only have twitted about the delay. I fell that it is easier to get the chinese prime minister to talk about human rights than it is to get TTG to talk about the delay.
Oh, and please do cut back on the reprisals TTG would suffer from talking about releasing on PSN. Its a company not a 13 year old girl, they wont hold a grudge.
I do apologize if I come across blunt or rude. It is done only to make my point clear.
Why isnt EVERY dev doing this? Especially those smaller studios who rely on customer loyalty and word of mouth. They have a progress page listing a general progress estimate as well as totally separate graphs charting the recent additions to balancing, art, design, music etc as well as current targets. Seriously. I want to know. Why isnt this always a great idea?
I get that certification on consoles is very hush hush but what was stopping TT from providing us with this during the 2 month delay? They dont have the resources to get one guy to spend 10 minutes every week updating a page like that? Hell i'm sure their rabid fans would do it for free.
Inexperienced in the field of episodic releases on consoles, man. Besides Telltale, I don't think anyone else has even TRIED to do this in the last years, and neither PSN nor XBL have been around for so long.
They explicitly haven't. Actually, that's what "not enough communication" means. Get your facts straight.
Sure, unnerve your business partners. Good strategy. Care to establish your own gaming company? It might be a raging success.
don,t you just love it when people just pick certain things from your post to repeat, rather than repeat the whole thing? it still doesn,t address the fact that telltale games were the ones who released the game late in the first place, you didn,t repeat that from my post did you?. they may not have explicity said it was someone elses fault, but they have implyed it by saying its out of their hands, ergo, its someone elses fault. by not holding their hands up, they are more or less saying its someone elses fault. oh, and as for unnerving your business partners, whats unnerving about keeping each other in the loop? good business practice i would have thought. yes, i don,t run a software company, but since when do you have to in order to recognise bad treatment of customers? come on man, your in europe too, so i,m guessing you don,t have part 2 yet either, so whats with the one man telltale fan club?
What I find strange is that there were no problems in releasing episode 1 for the eu psn. That would have came out near to the US release date if it wasn't released the same day and it would have come out along with the UK xbox live version. No problems getting certification or anything. The game's first episode had less bugs, come to think of it, no game patches were necessary.
I can't help but associate Telltale's silence with guilt. I wouldn't be suprised if microsoft bribed Telltale to release the EU ps3 version late, beariing in mind that most people paid up front for the 5 episodes already.
I think its considered common knowledge that EU is more complicated than NA and that Sony, as a multinational corporation is liable to both throw its weight around and throw around non-disclosure agreements like nobody's business.
Nevertheless, it still rings rather hollow using the "its Sony's fault" excuse. Yes. EU does lag behind from time to time but not ALL of the time and neither does it happen exclusively with smaller devs and games. To me it seems like its a question of how well acquainted the dev is with Sony EU and how much time they put into the game for its EU submission. We all know that accidents can happen but considering the 2 month delay, i dont think many of us are willing to get behind TT and point the finger of incompetence at Sony, even if this EU delay was completely, 100% Sony's fault.
Why isnt EVERY dev doing this? Especially those smaller studios who rely on customer loyalty and word of mouth. They have a progress page listing a general progress estimate as well as totally separate graphs charting the recent additions to balancing, art, design, music etc as well as current targets. Seriously. I want to know. Why isnt this always a great idea?
I get that certification on consoles is very hush hush but what was stopping TT from providing us with this during the 2 month delay? They dont have the resources to get one guy to spend 10 minutes every week updating a page like that? Hell i'm sure their rabid fans would do it for free.
See this is the transparency Im looking for. This is maybe over doing it a bit though.
I would argue that any company that does this aren't affraid of giving away some of their secrets when it comes to pipeline.
But I love that some companies are doing this. They seem very honest and are up front with thier progress.
Just as you stated, I think the pro's outweigh the Con's on this practice. I've just been to telltales facebook page and its smeared with negative comments. I think they could have avoided this by telling us whats happening. They would get alot more respect if they toke some of the blame(atleast for stonewalling us) and told us exactly what is happening.
don,t you just love it when people just pick certain things from your post to repeat, rather than repeat the whole thing? it still doesn,t address the fact that telltale games were the ones who released the game late in the first place, you didn,t repeat that from my post did you?. they may not have explicity said it was someone elses fault, but they have implyed it by saying its out of their hands, ergo, its someone elses fault. by not holding their hands up, they are more or less saying its someone elses fault. oh, and as for unnerving your business partners, whats unnerving about keeping each other in the loop? good business practice i would have thought. yes, i don,t run a software company, but since when do you have to in order to recognise bad treatment of customers? come on man, your in europe too, so i,m guessing you don,t have part 2 yet either, so whats with the one man telltale fan club?
Yes it's called blind loyalty, pick the parts you think you can answer well to and pretend the other points are invisible.
See this is the transparency Im looking for. This is maybe over doing it a bit though.
I would argue that any company that does this aren't affraid of giving away some of their secrets when it comes to pipeline.
But I love that some companies are doing this. They seem very honest and are up front with thier progress.
Just as you stated, I think the pro's outweigh the Con's on this practice. I've just been to telltales facebook page and its smeared with negative comments. I think they could have avoided this by telling us whats happening. They would get alot more respect if they toke some of the blame(atleast for stonewalling us) and told us exactly what is happening.
Thanks for posting this!
Thanks a lot!
I admit it is rather in the extreme in terms of communication but i think the foundations are there. We're not asking them to publish the code they're working on or the plot, just what aspects of the game have been completed/are left to complete, be it animations, music, dialogue or UI. Hell, most people dont care about this stuff so long as the game is on-time but DEFINTLEY do it if you're facing a delay.
Thanks to the internet, kickstarter and the growing popularity of "indie" games, we shouldnt sit in the corner and wait patiently until we're presented with a game 2 months late with no apology. There's no excuse for bad communication in this day and age where we have fibre-optic broadband and a truly global network and economy. Gamers should be more discerning with who they support, especially when there are so many studios like Amplitude out there.
I think its considered common knowledge that EU is more complicated than NA and that Sony, as a multinational corporation is liable to both throw its weight around and throw around non-disclosure agreements like nobody's business.
Nevertheless, it still rings rather hollow using the "its Sony's fault" excuse. Yes. EU does lag behind from time to time but not ALL of the time and neither does it happen exclusively with smaller devs and games. To me it seems like its a question of how well acquainted the dev is with Sony EU and how much time they put into the game for its EU submission. We all know that accidents can happen but considering the 2 month delay, i dont think many of us are willing to get behind TT and point the finger of incompetence at Sony, even if this EU delay was completely, 100% Sony's fault.
Very valid points you've got. And it brings up another question, if its common knowledge that it is more complicated to release in EU. Then why not take this into consideration when they are reviewing thier deployment plan.
Its a digital copy and of course neither region wants to be left out of the official release, just look at wow and diablo 3. We all want the minute somebody has access to it.
TT isn't a big company and I wouldn't be mad if I had to wait a day or two to get to play it. I just want to know this in advance. I got very dissapointed when turned on my ps3 and thought that I would be able to play episode 2 and I got greeted with the SOON sign, not even a date.
Very valid points you've got. And it brings up another question, if its common knowledge that it is more complicated to release in EU. Then why not take this into consideration when they are reviewing thier deployment plan.
Exactly. It seems like the 2 month delay forced their hand. They weighed up a further delay to ensure a global release, or a stunted release which left out Europe and they chose to get it out the door asap. Its a logical choice but its one that is pretty much a complete slap in the face for us Europeans and one that we'll take as a decision that values increased revenue over happy customers.
They were in a lose-lose scenario admittedly, but one that they put themselves in by claiming they could release a new episode a month.
Well looks like we wont be able to play today. This is beyond ridiculous now. Lets not fight among each other, and lets not fight with Vainamoinen, he's the moderator of this forum and only tries to help us, he's not the enemy.
What we must do is unite and make sure the bastards don't get away with this. I'm fed up and I want my money back. This is pure false advertisement: "monthly episodes". There are laws against that. Even if Xbox and PSN US users already got to play season 2, it was still a month late so they got screwed as well, just not as much as us. I for one swear I will never buy any games from them ever again and I'm advising everybody I know in real life to do the same. Small companies like Telltale thrive on mouth to mouth advertising, they screwed that up all over Europe big time now. To be absolutely clear, this has nothing to do with Sony. Sony didn't take my money and then went back on our purchase agreement, Telltale did. If I buy a jar of Nutella at a store and I get home and it turns out the store clerk forgot to put the jar in my bag, I'm not going to call up Nutella to ask for my jar or a refund.
At this point we're all individuals to them, so they don't care. We're ants, a couple of complainers who won't do anything anyway. Most of their customers are semi happy because they finally got to play season 2 and will forgot about the false "monthly episodes" promise untill the same problem occurs with season 3. But if we unite we can get those nerfherders right where it hurts, their wallet. There are more people in Europe who aren't able to play the game they paid for almost 3 months ago then there are in the US who finally got to play a month to late. There are literally thousands of us, so lets say if 10.000 of us unite and ask for a refund, that will cost them 200.000$, a small company like Telltale will definitely feel that. It's also pretty easy to accomplish a petition like that through facebook and other social media sites these days. If everybody on this forum alone finds 10 people we're already set.
The thing that pisses me off most about all of this is their total lack of communication. I'm pretty sure they're not reading any of these comments on this forum, which is fine of course. But the fact that they're totally ignoring the problem and the complete arrogance which they display by advertising on big gaming sites is shamefull. "SEASON 2 AVAILABLE NOW". Even if it was available to us, it's still a month to late you bastards, so that's nothing to be proud of. And if you have the kind of money to buy huge amounts of advertising space on sites like IGN you might as well spent a little of that cash to hire a PR Manager or a communications expert who makes sure everybody knows what's going on.
Telltale, you went from being the lovable underdog to a despicable company and I hope we can get you down to the level you deserve to be.
Well looks like we wont be able to play today. This is beyond ridiculous now. Lets not fight among each other, and lets not fight with Vainamoinen, he's the moderator of this forum and only tries to help us, he's not the enemy.
What we must do is unite and make sure the bastards don't get away with this. I'm fed up and I want my money back. This is pure false advertisement: "monthly episodes". There are laws against that. Even if Xbox and PSN US users already got to play season 2, it was still a month late so they got screwed as well, just not as much as us. I for one swear I will never buy any games from them ever again and I'm advising everybody I know in real life to do the same. Small companies like Telltale thrive on mouth to mouth advertising, they screwed that up all over Europe big time now. To be absolutely clear, this has nothing to do with Sony. Sony didn't take my money and then went back on our purchase agreement, Telltale did. If I buy a jar of Nutella at a store and I get home and it turns out the store clerk forgot to put the jar in my bag, I'm not going to call up Nutella to ask for my jar or a refund.
At this point we're all individuals to them, so they don't care. We're ants, a couple of complainers who won't do anything anyway. Most of their customers are semi happy because they finally got to play season 2 and will forgot about the false "monthly episodes" promise untill the same problem occurs with season 3. But if we unite we can get those nerfherders right where it hurts, their wallet. There are more people in Europe who aren't able to play the game they paid for almost 3 months ago then there are in the US who finally got to play a month to late. There are literally thousands of us, so lets say if 10.000 of us unite and ask for a refund, that will cost them 200.000$, a small company like Telltale will definitely feel that. It's also pretty easy to accomplish a petition like that through facebook and other social media sites these days. If everybody on this forum alone finds 10 people we're already set.
The thing that pisses me off most about all of this is their total lack of communication. I'm pretty sure they're not reading any of these comments on this forum, which is fine of course. But the fact that they're totally ignoring the problem and the complete arrogance which they display by advertising on big gaming sites is shamefull. "SEASON 2 AVAILABLE NOW". Even if it was available to us, it's still a month to late you bastards, so that's nothing to be proud of. And if you have the kind of money to buy huge amounts of advertising space on sites like IGN you might as well spent a little of that cash to hire a PR Manager or a communications expert who makes sure everybody knows what's going on.
Telltale, you went from being the lovable underdog to a despicable company and I hope we can get you down to the level you deserve to be.
Exactly. It seems like the 2 month delay forced their hand. They weighed up a further delay to ensure a global release, or a stunted release which left out Europe and they chose to get it out the door asap. Its a logical choice but its one that is pretty much a complete slap in the face for us Europeans and one that we'll take as a decision that values increased revenue over happy customers.
They were in a lose-lose scenario admittedly, but one that they put themselves in by claiming they could release a new episode a month.
One would think that thier thirst for the green have been quenched by now. But I do see the point, let down all the customers or upset some of the costumers. It may be the lesser of two evils see from their prospective, yet with the lack of communication it feels like a slap in the face as costumer.
Fun thing Im thinking about how TT can make up for this. Extra content maybe?
But that will just push back the release on the other episodes.
Discount on other TT products?
Trying to make a coin on allready disgruntled costumers seems a bit bold and would just push us further away from them.
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that might be true but since we haven't heard a thing from ttg or the ps blog about the release, i don't think we will be able to play it today.
Today or ever, I have a funny feeling that the episode is cancelled for us :mad:
Doesn't sound promising at all!
me too.
but even if the game comes out today, i will still be pissed because i know that the same shit is going to happen with episode 3.
I hear you. I am baffled on why the company with so much experience can't seem to release the episodes as promised.
What troubles me further is that the game media is praising TTG to no end and looks away from the negative side that we have to live with.
I am curious as to the press' stance on the initial delay as well, especially towards what happened at E3. The bite-sized info we got turned out to be very true, but was hardly the result of "press inquiries".
But "so much experience"?! Telltale is not even six years old, and you keep forgetting that - especially in negotiations with Sony - Telltale just doesn't bear the same corporate weight as the industry giants. This is not a 3.000+ employee company like EA. This is a 90 employee game maker who did well fail in their communication this last month, but can not be accounted for those very last steps of the release schedule which are out of their hands.
Due to the certification processes, consoles were ALWAYS a massive release coordination problem. Look at those last games and you'll see that from delays TTG had nothing to do with to just not releasing a certain games on a certain platform because the release schedule would have too much of a lag, we've had all of that already. That they're even AIMING at simultaneous releases this time is great - but comes at a brutal cost you might also have complained about already.
An episode swiftly slipping from PSN US to EU, that's nothing TTG could enforce without risking good business relations.
Fan boys are always fan boys.......
When will TTG asslickers see the truth? TTG just simply sucks, their games are full of bugs and glitches althought waiting times are always 2 months.....
And I thought Bethesda sucks.....
Yes the company may be new-ish(at best) six years, okey i'll give you that. But lets look at who acutally works there.
Dan Connors CEO has worked in the video game industry since 1993.
Gordon Radley has been working in the entertainment industry for 35 years
Brett Tosti has been in gaming since 1995 and is the executive producer on this game.
I think this renders your argument about inexperienced in the field invalid.
As you point out its a small company, yet they sold over 1 million copies of the first episode. This fact should give them some leverage on PSN or what ever platform is giving them trouble. Im not encouraging them to use this argument to hassel anyone, but it serves sonys best interest to get it out asap aswell, more revenue and all.
ah, and the E3 thing, well if I where to give some bad news, well that would be the time to do it wouldn't it. All the focus from the media is on show.
TTG being a small company needs to be more upfront when it comes to delays and other info. They are pretty good at telling us what they are doing right(The review page and the accolades trailer).I'm not asking for their first born, just information on when I can play the game I payed for.
Edit: Okey, some gaming sites have pick up on this saying it is not only TTG that have this problem.
Push square
But I would still like to see a blog post or a press release from TTG about this. It can be done in a good professional tone so that sony dosn't take offence.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/07/03/playstation-store-update-246/
i wholeheartedly agree. its very poor of telltale games to stick the blame on someone else and its even poorer when some people on here defend them. their was no problem releasing episode 1 on time for everyone, so that proves it can be done. no matter what the telltale games fan boys say, it doesn,t change the fact that they were over a month late releasing episode 2. when they are late, it holds everyone else up, and thats an inescapable fact. being late is one thing, but not even having a release date? thats bad management and inexcusable. if telltale games have a partnership with sony europe then they should be constantly on at them about when its out
i am now officially p****d off. guess thats another week of silence from telltale games. they have had my money since april now, and i,m still waiting for episode 2 like everyone else
Inexperienced in the field of episodic releases on consoles, man. Besides Telltale, I don't think anyone else has even TRIED to do this in the last years, and neither PSN nor XBL have been around for so long.
They explicitly haven't. Actually, that's what "not enough communication" means. Get your facts straight.
Sure, unnerve your business partners. Good strategy. Care to establish your own gaming company? It might be a raging success.
I know I'm holding hope where there is little but isn't this the US releases for PSN?
That's what I was thinking. Meh. It still probably won't come out today.
Opps didnt notice that
Exactly...
What makes me laugh is how vocal they were about this franchise before we paid our money for the first episode and the season passes. They were putting out playing dead videos and all sorts. Now a whole week can pass without so much as an update to reassure those of us still waiting to play episode 2.
Just a quick look on Telltales other games. Are you serious?
Back to the Future episodes where delayed aswell as far as I recall. I didn't play it. Although I love the movies, the demo didn't get me hooked. But thats neither here nor there.
If anything this is the company that should be able to pull this off successfully.
They have done alot of episode based games on different platforms.
My major concern is still that TellTale Games only have twitted about the delay. I fell that it is easier to get the chinese prime minister to talk about human rights than it is to get TTG to talk about the delay.
In case you didn't see my edit in the previous post: Push square has a post about the european delay so to some degree I stand corrected.
Oh, and please do cut back on the reprisals TTG would suffer from talking about releasing on PSN. Its a company not a 13 year old girl, they wont hold a grudge.
I do apologize if I come across blunt or rude. It is done only to make my point clear.
http://endless-space.amplitude-studios.com/Progress
Why isnt EVERY dev doing this? Especially those smaller studios who rely on customer loyalty and word of mouth. They have a progress page listing a general progress estimate as well as totally separate graphs charting the recent additions to balancing, art, design, music etc as well as current targets. Seriously. I want to know. Why isnt this always a great idea?
I get that certification on consoles is very hush hush but what was stopping TT from providing us with this during the 2 month delay? They dont have the resources to get one guy to spend 10 minutes every week updating a page like that? Hell i'm sure their rabid fans would do it for free.
don,t you just love it when people just pick certain things from your post to repeat, rather than repeat the whole thing? it still doesn,t address the fact that telltale games were the ones who released the game late in the first place, you didn,t repeat that from my post did you?. they may not have explicity said it was someone elses fault, but they have implyed it by saying its out of their hands, ergo, its someone elses fault. by not holding their hands up, they are more or less saying its someone elses fault. oh, and as for unnerving your business partners, whats unnerving about keeping each other in the loop? good business practice i would have thought. yes, i don,t run a software company, but since when do you have to in order to recognise bad treatment of customers? come on man, your in europe too, so i,m guessing you don,t have part 2 yet either, so whats with the one man telltale fan club?
I can't help but associate Telltale's silence with guilt. I wouldn't be suprised if microsoft bribed Telltale to release the EU ps3 version late, beariing in mind that most people paid up front for the 5 episodes already.
I think its considered common knowledge that EU is more complicated than NA and that Sony, as a multinational corporation is liable to both throw its weight around and throw around non-disclosure agreements like nobody's business.
Nevertheless, it still rings rather hollow using the "its Sony's fault" excuse. Yes. EU does lag behind from time to time but not ALL of the time and neither does it happen exclusively with smaller devs and games. To me it seems like its a question of how well acquainted the dev is with Sony EU and how much time they put into the game for its EU submission. We all know that accidents can happen but considering the 2 month delay, i dont think many of us are willing to get behind TT and point the finger of incompetence at Sony, even if this EU delay was completely, 100% Sony's fault.
See this is the transparency Im looking for. This is maybe over doing it a bit though.
I would argue that any company that does this aren't affraid of giving away some of their secrets when it comes to pipeline.
But I love that some companies are doing this. They seem very honest and are up front with thier progress.
Just as you stated, I think the pro's outweigh the Con's on this practice. I've just been to telltales facebook page and its smeared with negative comments. I think they could have avoided this by telling us whats happening. They would get alot more respect if they toke some of the blame(atleast for stonewalling us) and told us exactly what is happening.
Thanks for posting this!
Yes it's called blind loyalty, pick the parts you think you can answer well to and pretend the other points are invisible.
thank you my friend, exactly what i was thinking but i,m glad you mentioned it
Thanks a lot!
I admit it is rather in the extreme in terms of communication but i think the foundations are there. We're not asking them to publish the code they're working on or the plot, just what aspects of the game have been completed/are left to complete, be it animations, music, dialogue or UI. Hell, most people dont care about this stuff so long as the game is on-time but DEFINTLEY do it if you're facing a delay.
Thanks to the internet, kickstarter and the growing popularity of "indie" games, we shouldnt sit in the corner and wait patiently until we're presented with a game 2 months late with no apology. There's no excuse for bad communication in this day and age where we have fibre-optic broadband and a truly global network and economy. Gamers should be more discerning with who they support, especially when there are so many studios like Amplitude out there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/
Very valid points you've got. And it brings up another question, if its common knowledge that it is more complicated to release in EU. Then why not take this into consideration when they are reviewing thier deployment plan.
Its a digital copy and of course neither region wants to be left out of the official release, just look at wow and diablo 3. We all want the minute somebody has access to it.
TT isn't a big company and I wouldn't be mad if I had to wait a day or two to get to play it. I just want to know this in advance. I got very dissapointed when turned on my ps3 and thought that I would be able to play episode 2 and I got greeted with the SOON sign, not even a date.
Exactly. It seems like the 2 month delay forced their hand. They weighed up a further delay to ensure a global release, or a stunted release which left out Europe and they chose to get it out the door asap. Its a logical choice but its one that is pretty much a complete slap in the face for us Europeans and one that we'll take as a decision that values increased revenue over happy customers.
They were in a lose-lose scenario admittedly, but one that they put themselves in by claiming they could release a new episode a month.
What we must do is unite and make sure the bastards don't get away with this. I'm fed up and I want my money back. This is pure false advertisement: "monthly episodes". There are laws against that. Even if Xbox and PSN US users already got to play season 2, it was still a month late so they got screwed as well, just not as much as us. I for one swear I will never buy any games from them ever again and I'm advising everybody I know in real life to do the same. Small companies like Telltale thrive on mouth to mouth advertising, they screwed that up all over Europe big time now. To be absolutely clear, this has nothing to do with Sony. Sony didn't take my money and then went back on our purchase agreement, Telltale did. If I buy a jar of Nutella at a store and I get home and it turns out the store clerk forgot to put the jar in my bag, I'm not going to call up Nutella to ask for my jar or a refund.
At this point we're all individuals to them, so they don't care. We're ants, a couple of complainers who won't do anything anyway. Most of their customers are semi happy because they finally got to play season 2 and will forgot about the false "monthly episodes" promise untill the same problem occurs with season 3. But if we unite we can get those nerfherders right where it hurts, their wallet. There are more people in Europe who aren't able to play the game they paid for almost 3 months ago then there are in the US who finally got to play a month to late. There are literally thousands of us, so lets say if 10.000 of us unite and ask for a refund, that will cost them 200.000$, a small company like Telltale will definitely feel that. It's also pretty easy to accomplish a petition like that through facebook and other social media sites these days. If everybody on this forum alone finds 10 people we're already set.
The thing that pisses me off most about all of this is their total lack of communication. I'm pretty sure they're not reading any of these comments on this forum, which is fine of course. But the fact that they're totally ignoring the problem and the complete arrogance which they display by advertising on big gaming sites is shamefull. "SEASON 2 AVAILABLE NOW". Even if it was available to us, it's still a month to late you bastards, so that's nothing to be proud of. And if you have the kind of money to buy huge amounts of advertising space on sites like IGN you might as well spent a little of that cash to hire a PR Manager or a communications expert who makes sure everybody knows what's going on.
Telltale, you went from being the lovable underdog to a despicable company and I hope we can get you down to the level you deserve to be.
VERY well said!! Its a disgrace.....
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2012/07/04/heads-up-game-store-update-july-4th-2012/
I feel pretty bad for poor Jawad (the guy who posts the store updates). He's gonna have to sift through a LOT of "WHERE IS TWD" comments this week
One would think that thier thirst for the green have been quenched by now. But I do see the point, let down all the customers or upset some of the costumers. It may be the lesser of two evils see from their prospective, yet with the lack of communication it feels like a slap in the face as costumer.
Fun thing Im thinking about how TT can make up for this.
Extra content maybe?
But that will just push back the release on the other episodes.
Discount on other TT products?
Trying to make a coin on allready disgruntled costumers seems a bit bold and would just push us further away from them.
Did that just happen
Now...... I'm pissed off.
Fucking TTG!!!!! FUCK IT!
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Yep. Pretty much.
Then again, i am completely expecting a 3 month delay so TT cant really disappoint me for another 3 months.
"TellTale - We Lower Expectations" should be their new motto :P