Let's put it bluntly... I don't see a single snafu rumor info in the last month that wasn't implicitly proven by that official information.
FACTS about the Xbox One:
Cloud gaming.
The Xbox One WILL do the Electronic Arts shit to its full extent.
Always on.
The Xbox One wants to be on and online while you're not playing ("to download updates"). In the time and age of energy shortness, an absurd design decision.
Fast internet required.
The Xbox One will require a broadband connection with 1.5 Megabyte per second "for optimum performance" (12.000 kbps). They have calculated the average internet connection to perform at 2.9 Mbps, which is a joke. In my quite central town in Germany, I'm getting 1.0 tops and about 0.5-0.7 usually. That's a connection issue all right... because Microsoft has completely lost the connection to reality.
Online verification every 24 hours.
Yeah, they really mean it. If you're logged in at a friend's house, it's down to ONE HOUR.
The Xbox One delivers the entire DRM package to kill used game sales completely.
Responsibility for this bullshit is shifted to the publishers, who can 'choose' what kind of resales they find appropriate.
You can't lend your games to friends.
This statement remains absolutely true. Microsoft now went on record saying that you can lend the game to ONE friend. Yeah, absolutely. You have one lending 'ticket', and once it's gone, it is gone. Way to go, guys.
What stuns me is how ill-prepared they were for all this.
They have all these "features" and they don't have anyone really prepared to answer people's questions about them. Why has it taken so long for this information to come out? It's just going to let people get used to the idea of the console being awful. Which it is, obviously, but if they'd had these explanations earlier the fallout wouldn't have nearly been so bad. I just... I just don't get it.
(Sigh) Why bother? Ether Microsoft wants to fail or they take us all for a bunch of idiots who think these cheap ass rip off of features will be great when in reality we are all smart enough not to fall for this bs. I actually know this Asshole Xbox fan boy and when I tried to tell my friend about this load of bs about the Xbox One. Then the fanboy said that it was all bs and that Microsoft won't do any of this. Ugh Microsoft fanboys, too blind to see through this load of crap.
All in all it is better than I expected and some of the Cloud Stuff may be good...
The pre-owned games could be worse...
Kinect can be stopped...
All in all I could probably live with the features and if the 15 exclusive games are really good...
Microsoft has got a chance at E3 to just show the games and possibly I could live with it...
Sorry but no. I disagree completely. First No the used games situation could not be worse. They basically say "HOW DARE YOU NOT GIVE US MONEY FOR GAMES! WELL NOW YOU MUST PAY FOR A NEW GAME FOR A PRE-OWNED ONE." Also tell me something Microsoft. What happens if the game is pre-owned
And very badly scratched that it gets to where you can buy the license for the game but then it could freeze or something due to the scratches. Well I guess that's a shame because I basically payed the price of a new game to get a broken one.
Also the exclusives knowing Microsoft will most likely be mostly ether shooters or Kinect games. Even the rumoured BK game sounds like another game that will shit on the greatness of what Rare once was. But the worse of it is that it needs to connect every 24 hours. Tell me something Microsoft, if my Internet goes off, what else am I going to do? Play games of course but i guess that's too bad and the console becomes a paperweight.
With Pre-owned games all they've really said is they will be up to the publisher and will only go through selected retailers...
All this really means is no E-bay, no Amazon, no independent stores and some games won't be available...
It is not as bad as the rumours of a code you have to pay and could be worse...
Also pre-owned games I think are meant to be installed so it will run without the disk meaning really discs will just become a way of installing games...
24 hours dial in is very bad...
I'm not saying it is good but it is liveable...
And the 15 games could be good and we should reserve our judgement until they are announced at E3...
Fast internet required.
The Xbox One will require a broadband connection with 1.5 Megabyte per second "for optimum performance" (12.000 kbps). They have calculated the average internet connection to perform at 2.9 Mbps, which is a joke. In my quite central town in Germany, I'm getting 1.0 tops and about 0.5-0.7 usually. That's a connection issue all right... because Microsoft has completely lost the connection to reality.
You are lucky!
I get 180 kb/sek max. On a good day.
More reasons not to buy this. 24/7 internet required.
I really wouldn't care about that. What I really care about is this always on thing that can scan the room and shoot lasers. The DRM applications they will use through that thing scare me. A lot.
I get the feeling that if the online requirement isn't removed by launch, it'll be patched out within the first year.
And implicitly say they were wrong for everyone to hear? I'd take that bet.
But only the lack of sales could bring them to do that. And, last we've heard, while the PS4 will be crowned king without an inch of a doubt, the Shitbox One will still lead a princely, revered life in the living rooms of millions of fans.
Microsoft's DRM IS online verification. They can't take that back and be without DRM at all. Publishers would lynch them. All that precious account family friends resale update cloud crap only works with continuous internet activation.
if you don't login / go online within 24 hours it will only stop offline play.
kotaku said something about allowing 24 hours of offline play time with each 24 hour online connection that way the game is kept uptodate as if they expect alot of buggy games/services..
and to darth i could of summerized but some people may not of believed me so just put the links up
And implicitly say they were wrong for everyone to hear? I'd take that bet.
But only the lack of sales could bring them to do that. And, last we've heard, while the PS4 will be crowned king without an inch of a doubt, the Shitbox One will still lead a princely, revered life in the living rooms of millions of fans.
also known as devout xbox/microsoft fanbois / fan gals..
or just anyone with money to burn who always have the 'next new thing' to be 'cool' and hip...
Alright, here's the thing. From what I've understood, retailers have to sell the games at a ridiculous high price because publishers already take a huge chunk of the income of each copy. This is why some retailers also have a used games section, because that way they could actually break even.
So yes, in the end this used games DRM will actually hurt retail in the long run.
How exactly? That was a fact, not an opinion. It CAN be worse. They COULD just block all used games and call it a day, at least there are options.
basically say "HOW DARE YOU NOT GIVE US MONEY FOR GAMES! WELL NOW YOU MUST PAY FOR A NEW GAME FOR A PRE-OWNED ONE."
Not true, Microsoft has not made fees mandatory. "Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.". If there is a fee, it isn't there fault.
Also tell me something Microsoft. What happens if the game is pre-owned
And very badly scratched that it gets to where you can buy the license for the game but then it could freeze or something due to the scratches. Well I guess that's a shame because I basically payed the price of a new game to get a broken one.
That's your fault, not Microsofts.
Also the exclusives knowing Microsoft will most likely be mostly ether shooters or Kinect games. Even the rumoured BK game sounds like another game that will shit on the greatness of what Rare once was. But the worse of it is that it needs to connect every 24 hours. Tell me something Microsoft, if my Internet goes off, what else am I going to do? Play games of course but i guess that's too bad and the console becomes a paperweight.
My internet is incredibly unreliable, and it has NEVER had a moment where I was without it for 24 hours. connecting once every 24 hours is NOT a big deal IMHO. I find it MUCH better than Steam which checks for online everytime you log in and then locks you out of offline mode until you are online(why?). At least here I have some time to play unlike Steam.
Personally, this could have been worse. Maybe it is because I'm used to Steam which essentially is a used game attack, but this really could've been worse. Still going PS4 of course.
All I really want to do with this machine is figure out how to get the Kinect to make me Earl Grey tea. That's it.
I'd even be satisfied with a cup. I mean, I've got access to a 3D printer right now, I could get that to make me a super hard plastic cup...
Like, can you program in new commands for it? I could take or leave all that teevee-sports-games crap, but having a nice voice sensor to turn stuff on would be pretty sweet.
Yeah, I'm kinda upset about used games, but given I haven't really bought a new used game ever, it doesn't effect me that much? I mean, the main thing is that the Xbone will be a fossil as soon as Microsoft stops supporting it which is the really crappy part of the deal.
My internet is incredibly unreliable, and it has NEVER had a moment where I was without it for 24 hours. connecting once every 24 hours is NOT a big deal IMHO. I find it MUCH better than Steam which checks for online everytime you log in and then locks you out of offline mode until you are online(why?). At least here I have some time to play unlike Steam.
There was a large stretch of time where our house wasn't physically able to have internet access at all, and when we did it was definitely not enough to justify connecting the video game consoles and downloading things. This is in a pretty well-populated area in a fairly normal-sized city. Soldiers overseas also don't have internet access. Why should either be prohibited from playing games because Microsoft thinks this is a good idea?
I seem to recall being able to play Steam games offline during this period, though. Not sure if my memory's hazy.
I seem to recall being able to play Steam games offline during this period, though. Not sure if my memory's hazy.
No it isn't. If you set it to offline mode and the game was started online at least once there is no problem. Some games also don't use Steam as DRM at all and will run without it.
Depending if they patched it out at the time or enabled it again Steam will also offer to go into offline mode when there is no connection. But that really depends on the version and they change that behaviour all the time back and forth.:(
@Daishy: That gif was made after the press conference and is sooooo good.
Not true, Microsoft has not made fees mandatory. "Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.". If there is a fee, it isn't there fault.
Its basically like what Angry Joe said, While Microsoft is not forcing it, they have built the console to be able to block Pre-Owned games without paying a fee and that Microsoft seems to be trying to push the blame for this on game developers. Even if this is the case, I doubt that many game developers will not make you pay for pre-owned games. There's plenty of companies that are greedy like EA who for some examples, basically made FIFA 13 for Wii a complete clone of FIFA 12 except with a few changes in teams. So do you really think EA will decide to make their games that are pre-owned to be played without a fee.
Its basically like what Angry Joe said, While Microsoft is not forcing it, they have built the console to be able to block Pre-Owned games without paying a fee and that Microsoft seems to be trying to push the blame for this on game developers. Even if this is the case, I doubt that many game developers will not make you pay for pre-owned games. There's plenty of companies that are greedy like EA who for some examples, basically made FIFA 13 for Wii a complete clone of FIFA 12 except with a few changes in teams. So do you really think EA will decide to make their games that are pre-owned to be played without a fee.
No, I don't think EA will be kind to used sales. Because they already did that this year with the 360/PS3, consoles that did not have a used game block. Of course they will take advantage of when Microsoft does it for them. However, I do not blame Microsoft for that(I do for the 24-hour scan though, while better than steam's system and I still stand by that belief, it is still a very bad system). I blame the publishers for pushing it on both MS and Sony. Sony could have easily caved just as well as Microsoft. I'm glad they didn't and they will be the ones I go towards, but I am not putting blame to Microsoft for this when it is the publishers pushing all of this.(Plus there are plenty of other things to attack Microsoft with on the Xbox One anyway)
If that is true then all i can say is Microsoft is a piece of shit. They have a shit rip off features then they try to pay off developers to get a advantage. This just makes me think the Xbox One deserves to fail. They try to play off features that ANY console should have as something special. [sarcasm]Oh the Xbox One lets my friends and family play games when they are playing on your own Xbox One. Oh thanks Xbox One! Its never been done before except on every other system. [sarcasm]. But now they hit one of the lowest lows and pay off developers to not show off games.
Actually, I had a thought the other day when I heard about this.
What if publishers just prevent pre-owned games from being used for the first two weeks after a game is released? After that, they allow trade-ins as they are now, with no restrictions or hidden costs.
It seems like a good middle ground - people can still trade-in games, but not straight away, allowing (and indeed encouraging) those crucial 'day one' sales where publishers make the majority of their money on games.
Actually, I had a thought the other day when I heard about this.
What if publishers just prevent pre-owned games from being used for the first two weeks after a game is released? After that, they allow trade-ins as they are now, with no restrictions or hidden costs.
It seems like a good middle ground - people can still trade-in games, but not straight away, allowing (and indeed encouraging) those crucial 'day one' sales where publishers make the majority of their money on games.
No. They are afraid people will just wait 2 weeks. Make it half a year and this could work.
Comments
Also Angry Joe's take on this issue.
Kotaku summarizes it.
Giant Bomb's disection I guess? I haven't watched it yet.
So yeah, I guess this console is Xboned.
We're... not too fond of kotaku information here. They tend to print the greatest rumor as pure fact. :rolleyes:
There is new official information though.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
Let's put it bluntly... I don't see a single snafu rumor info in the last month that wasn't implicitly proven by that official information.
FACTS about the Xbox One:
Cloud gaming.
The Xbox One WILL do the Electronic Arts shit to its full extent.
Always on.
The Xbox One wants to be on and online while you're not playing ("to download updates"). In the time and age of energy shortness, an absurd design decision.
Fast internet required.
The Xbox One will require a broadband connection with 1.5 Megabyte per second "for optimum performance" (12.000 kbps). They have calculated the average internet connection to perform at 2.9 Mbps, which is a joke. In my quite central town in Germany, I'm getting 1.0 tops and about 0.5-0.7 usually. That's a connection issue all right... because Microsoft has completely lost the connection to reality.
Online verification every 24 hours.
Yeah, they really mean it. If you're logged in at a friend's house, it's down to ONE HOUR.
The Xbox One delivers the entire DRM package to kill used game sales completely.
Responsibility for this bullshit is shifted to the publishers, who can 'choose' what kind of resales they find appropriate.
You can't lend your games to friends.
This statement remains absolutely true. Microsoft now went on record saying that you can lend the game to ONE friend. Yeah, absolutely. You have one lending 'ticket', and once it's gone, it is gone. Way to go, guys.
They have all these "features" and they don't have anyone really prepared to answer people's questions about them. Why has it taken so long for this information to come out? It's just going to let people get used to the idea of the console being awful. Which it is, obviously, but if they'd had these explanations earlier the fallout wouldn't have nearly been so bad. I just... I just don't get it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK3Ca96rjno
The pre-owned games could be worse...
Kinect can be stopped...
All in all I could probably live with the features and if the 15 exclusive games are really good...
Microsoft has got a chance at E3 to just show the games and possibly I could live with it...
And very badly scratched that it gets to where you can buy the license for the game but then it could freeze or something due to the scratches. Well I guess that's a shame because I basically payed the price of a new game to get a broken one.
Also the exclusives knowing Microsoft will most likely be mostly ether shooters or Kinect games. Even the rumoured BK game sounds like another game that will shit on the greatness of what Rare once was. But the worse of it is that it needs to connect every 24 hours. Tell me something Microsoft, if my Internet goes off, what else am I going to do? Play games of course but i guess that's too bad and the console becomes a paperweight.
All this really means is no E-bay, no Amazon, no independent stores and some games won't be available...
It is not as bad as the rumours of a code you have to pay and could be worse...
Also pre-owned games I think are meant to be installed so it will run without the disk meaning really discs will just become a way of installing games...
24 hours dial in is very bad...
I'm not saying it is good but it is liveable...
And the 15 games could be good and we should reserve our judgement until they are announced at E3...
They will be excellent, I guess. Which is absolutely and completely irrelevant.
You are lucky!
I get 180 kb/sek max. On a good day.
I know. Because I care...
I really wouldn't care about that. What I really care about is this always on thing that can scan the room and shoot lasers. The DRM applications they will use through that thing scare me. A lot.
And implicitly say they were wrong for everyone to hear? I'd take that bet.
But only the lack of sales could bring them to do that. And, last we've heard, while the PS4 will be crowned king without an inch of a doubt, the Shitbox One will still lead a princely, revered life in the living rooms of millions of fans.
Microsoft's DRM IS online verification. They can't take that back and be without DRM at all. Publishers would lynch them. All that precious account family friends resale update cloud crap only works with continuous internet activation.
if you don't login / go online within 24 hours it will only stop offline play.
kotaku said something about allowing 24 hours of offline play time with each 24 hour online connection that way the game is kept uptodate as if they expect alot of buggy games/services..
and to darth i could of summerized but some people may not of believed me so just put the links up
also known as devout xbox/microsoft fanbois / fan gals..
or just anyone with money to burn who always have the 'next new thing' to be 'cool' and hip...
zero punctuation also did a next gen vid.
reckon it's pretty accurate :P
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide
and for those wondering about their internet speed use this
http://www.speedtest.net/
So yes, in the end this used games DRM will actually hurt retail in the long run.
How exactly? That was a fact, not an opinion. It CAN be worse. They COULD just block all used games and call it a day, at least there are options.
Not true, Microsoft has not made fees mandatory. "Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.". If there is a fee, it isn't there fault.
That's your fault, not Microsofts.
My internet is incredibly unreliable, and it has NEVER had a moment where I was without it for 24 hours. connecting once every 24 hours is NOT a big deal IMHO. I find it MUCH better than Steam which checks for online everytime you log in and then locks you out of offline mode until you are online(why?). At least here I have some time to play unlike Steam.
Personally, this could have been worse. Maybe it is because I'm used to Steam which essentially is a used game attack, but this really could've been worse. Still going PS4 of course.
I'd even be satisfied with a cup. I mean, I've got access to a 3D printer right now, I could get that to make me a super hard plastic cup...
Like, can you program in new commands for it? I could take or leave all that teevee-sports-games crap, but having a nice voice sensor to turn stuff on would be pretty sweet.
Yeah, I'm kinda upset about used games, but given I haven't really bought a new used game ever, it doesn't effect me that much? I mean, the main thing is that the Xbone will be a fossil as soon as Microsoft stops supporting it which is the really crappy part of the deal.
There was a large stretch of time where our house wasn't physically able to have internet access at all, and when we did it was definitely not enough to justify connecting the video game consoles and downloading things. This is in a pretty well-populated area in a fairly normal-sized city. Soldiers overseas also don't have internet access. Why should either be prohibited from playing games because Microsoft thinks this is a good idea?
I seem to recall being able to play Steam games offline during this period, though. Not sure if my memory's hazy.
No it isn't. If you set it to offline mode and the game was started online at least once there is no problem. Some games also don't use Steam as DRM at all and will run without it.
Depending if they patched it out at the time or enabled it again Steam will also offer to go into offline mode when there is no connection. But that really depends on the version and they change that behaviour all the time back and forth.:(
@Daishy: That gif was made after the press conference and is sooooo good.
...no. No, I don't think I will.
Its basically like what Angry Joe said, While Microsoft is not forcing it, they have built the console to be able to block Pre-Owned games without paying a fee and that Microsoft seems to be trying to push the blame for this on game developers. Even if this is the case, I doubt that many game developers will not make you pay for pre-owned games. There's plenty of companies that are greedy like EA who for some examples, basically made FIFA 13 for Wii a complete clone of FIFA 12 except with a few changes in teams. So do you really think EA will decide to make their games that are pre-owned to be played without a fee.
No, I don't think EA will be kind to used sales. Because they already did that this year with the 360/PS3, consoles that did not have a used game block. Of course they will take advantage of when Microsoft does it for them. However, I do not blame Microsoft for that(I do for the 24-hour scan though, while better than steam's system and I still stand by that belief, it is still a very bad system). I blame the publishers for pushing it on both MS and Sony. Sony could have easily caved just as well as Microsoft. I'm glad they didn't and they will be the ones I go towards, but I am not putting blame to Microsoft for this when it is the publishers pushing all of this.(Plus there are plenty of other things to attack Microsoft with on the Xbox One anyway)
...it's in the wrong hands.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/will-publishers-charge-or-block-pre-owned-no-comment/0116814
What if publishers just prevent pre-owned games from being used for the first two weeks after a game is released? After that, they allow trade-ins as they are now, with no restrictions or hidden costs.
It seems like a good middle ground - people can still trade-in games, but not straight away, allowing (and indeed encouraging) those crucial 'day one' sales where publishers make the majority of their money on games.
No. They are afraid people will just wait 2 weeks. Make it half a year and this could work.
GAF is filled with insiders and developers. Jake Rodkin and Gary Whitta go there. And the claim isn't an odd business practice.
Sure. But that guy is registered one day there.
Is he? How do you see that if you're not registered?
Oh yeah. I did.
That's what I get for being used to normal forums.
Neogaf still is a vbulletin forum. You just wait for Vanilla...