No offence Leplaya but i think this should be in the Xbox One thread.
On Topic: Meh not really excited. Fair enough i won't be getting that rip off of a console anyway but lets face it. When was the last OK historic Rare game? For all we know it could be another spinoff that has nothing to do with the series like Banjo Kazoozie Nuts & Bolts. All i hope for is Nintendo buys Rare back so there is a chance that we can finally see Banjo and Conker 3D and maybe Donkey Kong 64 3D. Maybe Rare will surprise me and make a good sequel but for all we know it could again be something no one thinks should have anything to do with the series.
All i hope for is Nintendo buys Rare back so there is a chance that we can finally see Banjo and Conker 3D and maybe Donkey Kong 64 3D. Maybe Rare will surprise me and make a good sequel but for all we know it could again be something no one thinks should have anything to do with the series.
The problem is that the people who were most involved in those games have since left Rare, so it'll essentially be a different team working on this sequel. Honestly, I'd rather Nintendo just get the license for Banjo-Kazooie and get someone like Retro Studios to make a new one. That's proven to work rather well for other franchises...
as for a new conker game the xbox remake conker live and uncut/reloaded was cut/censored looked great played great but they took out the swears some may say thats a good thing but the great mighty poo isn't the same...
a remake with new 'grittier style graphics' is needed
Maybe this Rare game will be good but lets face it, will one good game make people say ''OMG I MUST HAVE THAT CONSOLE, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ALL THE BS AND RIPOFFS OF IT''. I would love for Rare to rejoin Nintendo. If Nintendo could make a damn great port of a Wii game (DKCR 3D) then it would be great to see what Rare could do for 4 Nintendo 64 games. I never got to play Banjo Kazooie or Conker or DK 64 (I would have gotten them if they had been on the Wii Virtual Console but since Xbox bought them, they get the ports for the arcade.) But it would be great to have BK & BT on the 3DS, with updated graphics,maybe make Stop n Swap work on it, and remaster the music and add 3D.
You know Rare are owned by Microsoft, right? They, and their franchises, are bound to the XBox. We'll never get any ports of N64 games, since the rights are owned by MS and they'd never come to an agreement with Nintendo.
See Goldeneye for proof of that.
On the other hand, the guy behind Conker's Bad Fur Day apparently wants to make a WiiU game, which is probably the next best thing. Happy happy joy joy.
I was starting to worry that time had stopped, because we had almost gone a day without Microsoft revealing something awful about the Xbox One. But look! Time marches forward, and the Xbox One will be region-locked.
as for a new conker game the xbox remake conker live and uncut/reloaded was cut/censored looked great played great but they took out the swears some may say thats a good thing but the great mighty poo isn't the same...
I swear, that took me a while to discern what you were saying. Use periods, commas and capitalization next time.
I was starting to worry that time had stopped, because we had almost gone a day without Microsoft revealing something awful about the Xbox One. But look! Time marches forward, and the Xbox One will be region-locked.
"Similar to the movie and music industry, games must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale,"
...how is that similar to the music industry? For sure, certain online retailers would rather you not buy music from their store across the pond, but mp3's and post-2009 aac's are most certainly not region locked.
I was starting to worry that time had stopped, because we had almost gone a day without Microsoft revealing something awful about the Xbox One. But look! Time marches forward, and the Xbox One will be region-locked.
That is standard in the industry. Almost every console is.
Good luck buying a Nintendo game in the US and then playing it on your EU system. It will not work.
I wouldn't say the region locking is awful news, but in this day and age it does seem rather pointless.
Pointless for one thing. Unfortunately, lots of companies still just supply only the voices and subtitles in the language of the target country. As video game translations in Germany have taken an incredible nosedive in quality, that's just not the way you'd like to experience a game any more. But if you can't import, you're in trouble. Thankfully, UK and Germany usually have the same region code.
Don't know if this already came up in this thread.
As a veritable 'achievement' hater, I've already laughed when Steam introduced achievements for being on Steam last month. Now look what Microsoft thinks is a swell idea for their One console:
It's incredible. Microsoft wants those couch potatoes who actually still watch TV to get their kicks out of achievements like "watched entire Super Bowl" or "watched one hour of straight ads through zapping". How stupid is Microsoft, seriously, how stupid?
so why did i forget sky was already in 'cahoots' with xbox, silly me !
why not freeview ? oh yeah cos it's free after you buy the box, so xbox can't make any money on it..unless they bring out a uk only xbox branded freeview box /receiver. Which wouldn't surprise me if they plan on that, but then it wouldn't really fit in with this 'one' mantra would it? They say it's the only thing you'll need well no cos you need the sky/cable box a tv and a house / internet etc..
(Sigh) What's next? you get an achievement every time you turn the damn console on? Here's some ideas for TV achievements
Time waits for no person-Spent 24 hours straight watching a TV series.
Come on everyone tell your thoughts on what could be achievements for....ugh.....watching TV.
In all seriousness while is Microsoft even trying to market this as a game console because they just don't seem to give a shit about games for the Xbox One.
Jesus, are Penny Arcade's articles now being written by 12 year olds?!
Once that secondary market is removed you can suddenly profit from every copy of your game sold, and as profit margins rise it's possible we'll see prices drop.
Someone write "market reality" on this guy's forehead. As DRM measures get more draconic, sales are not increased as piracy decreases. Because a software pirate, by definition, is someone wo isn't willing to buy games. And sales of the game will not rise with the elimination of the used game market. If you can't resell your game, you can't put the gained money down on new games, which is mostly the reason people sell their old games anyway. And sale prices of games abbbsoooolutely do not drop because the developer suddenly fares better, WTF? Ever heard of EA and shit? The truth here could be quite the contrary. Sorry, Ben Kuchera, your article stinks to heaven. "Be thankful that Microsoft tries to screw you over", sure.
The worst part of this article are the first paragraphs where he enthusiastically describes all the things you can do with your games despite those new measures - all of which were already possible with every old console. What now, all my family members can play the game? SERIOUSLY? Wow.
Vainamoinen, I think this comment sums it up nicely.
No, this is not good news at all. This will INCREASE piracy, not decrease it. Why? Because people will feel that they HAVE TO pirate a game in order to properly play it. That will in turn fuel motivation for people to crack the console faster. There isn't a game in existence - PC or console - that hasn't already been cracked, and online verification checks are no different.
As for the used game market, well, that's obvious nonsense. Computer games already use a license system and their prices stay higher for longer than console games. Why is that? It's because of competition with used games. Thanks to the free market, producers are forced to lower their prices to compete with their own product. I can purchase a completely NEW Playstation 3 game for a mere $10 less than a year after it has been released. With computer games it remains in the $50 range for at least 2 years, and the prices fall very slowly. Another factor is that when someone is tired of a game they sell their game towards the purchase of a new game. This means that although the game companies are not going to make money directly from that one game, they will make it indirectly because someone will use that money to buy another game. It also helps by bringing in entry level gamers to purchase lower priced games.
Finally, this will be a problem for the rental market. Obviously producers don't make any direct money off them, but consumers benefit more from the ability to rent a game than any possible pros you can suggest.
Since most games produced on a Playstation are also produced on an Xbox it's really a question of if Sony will also use the same scheme, which is unlikely. The consumer base will probably avoid the Xbox entirely. All the used game companies and game rental locations will skip on the Xbox One, and if they chose to they could even boycott new games of the Xbox which would hurt Microsoft more than it would hurt Gamestop.
They've been anti used games for a while, the reason being game companies don't make any money off the sale off used games. So no there's no real reason for game companies to support the used market.
Parsing the statement quoted by Vainamonen, it's important to note Ben didn't state price drops as inevitable, just as a hypothetical, which means he's open to being proven wrong. Although I don't think he's examined comparative economics in the world to see that higher profit margins do not necessarily equate to lower prices.
I'm interested in the Steam comparison actually. If XBOX One can functionally imitate Steam in terms of sales and fire sales it might be onto something. Would certainly be one more blow against brick and mortar, traditional sales.
Hah! If only. It was #1 pre order item on Amazon.de today unfortunately. :eek:
I don't think you have to put anything down for an Amazon Xbox One pre-order, though. We don't know how much it'll cost. Doesn't that amount more to "tell me when I can pre-order so I can re-evaluate that when it happens"?
I don't think you have to put anything down for an Amazon Xbox One pre-order, though. We don't know how much it'll cost. Doesn't that amount more to "tell me when I can pre-order so I can re-evaluate that when it happens"?
Oh, of course you'll be able to cancel your order, even a day before the thing releases. But when has that ever happened in actual numbers? Microsoft's PR desaster is over now and people still pre-order. The E3 presentation is game related, they can't actually drop the ball there. If anything, the pre-order sheep will feel a confirmation that the dumb move they made was the right one. As does Microsoft.
They've been anti used games for a while, the reason being game companies don't make any money off the sale off used games. So no there's no real reason for game companies to support the used market.
i personally feel that buying a used game is worse than piracy, because at least you aren't giving money to people that don't deserve the money if you pirate a game and also i would never buy a game i have paid money for second hand, but i would buy a game i have pirated and liked, saying that though i don't want to pay £45 for a game so i would rather buy the cheaper second hand one and that is what i mostly did with the xbox 360.
i honestly think i wouldn't have bought the xbox 360 if the ability to buy second hand games or borrow games wasn't there, so microsoft wouldn't have gotten any xbox money from me at all, microsoft may keep their hardcore XBOX fanboys but for people that were unsure as to whether they would buy an XBOX this generation they have totally lost their money
That's your stance and you're perfectly entitled to it. I just get the feeling you've missed out on quite a few good console-only games as a result of it. But again - your call, not mine.
For me, only mostly. Steam's pricing policy is not driven by good ol' competition - they're just taking a different path towards eliminating competition. Jim Sterling even names gog.com as a first rate competitor to Steam. Obviously he wasn't following our respective gog thread for the last month.
Still, it's good to be backed by the guy. And interesting that he picked on exactly the article I read this morning. Granted - it is an exceptionally questionable assessment of the situation.
Steam's pricing policy is not driven by good ol' competition - they're just taking a different path towards eliminating competition.
They aren't even the cheapest online store. Far from it. That would be Greenmangaming 99% of the time. Thanks to their constant 20% (or more) off vouchers.
Great place for getting your Steam keys. Not interested in checking out their client "capsule" though.
They aren't even the cheapest online store. Far from it. That would be Greenmangaming 99% of the time. Thanks to their constant 20% (or more) off vouchers.
Great place for getting your Steam keys. Not interested in checking out their client "capsule" though.
That's your stance and you're perfectly entitled to it. I just get the feeling you've missed out on quite a few good console-only games as a result of it. But again - your call, not mine.
if i were rich or i got all my games for free i still wouldn't have played more games, i think you underestimate the amount of PC games there are, and its not me that has missed out on anything it is just the publisher of the game that has missed out on my money because they only sold their game on a limited platform
Rather than investigating the cloud claims, game journalists seem to prefer the story "Jonathan Blow says bad things about Micrrosoft." Sigh
The irony of a journalist making it a story that I said "a journalist could compute the cost ..." is just a little rich.
Since I only follow a few game developers on twitter, the "GAME DEVELOPER SAYS THING ON TWITTER" news articles are sometimes interesting, but it is fairly disappointing that they never seem to do any research about whether the statement is true, or reach out to that dev for additional comments (especially since twitter would make that incredibly easy).
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On Topic: Meh not really excited. Fair enough i won't be getting that rip off of a console anyway but lets face it. When was the last OK historic Rare game? For all we know it could be another spinoff that has nothing to do with the series like Banjo Kazoozie Nuts & Bolts. All i hope for is Nintendo buys Rare back so there is a chance that we can finally see Banjo and Conker 3D and maybe Donkey Kong 64 3D. Maybe Rare will surprise me and make a good sequel but for all we know it could again be something no one thinks should have anything to do with the series.
a remake with new 'grittier style graphics' is needed
See Goldeneye for proof of that.
On the other hand, the guy behind Conker's Bad Fur Day apparently wants to make a WiiU game, which is probably the next best thing. Happy happy joy joy.
I swear, that took me a while to discern what you were saying. Use periods, commas and capitalization next time.
"Similar to the movie and music industry, games must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale,"
...how is that similar to the music industry? For sure, certain online retailers would rather you not buy music from their store across the pond, but mp3's and post-2009 aac's are most certainly not region locked.
That is standard in the industry. Almost every console is.
Good luck buying a Nintendo game in the US and then playing it on your EU system. It will not work.
It makes sense financially, so it's the way it's heading with all digital entertainment.
Pointless for one thing. Unfortunately, lots of companies still just supply only the voices and subtitles in the language of the target country. As video game translations in Germany have taken an incredible nosedive in quality, that's just not the way you'd like to experience a game any more. But if you can't import, you're in trouble. Thankfully, UK and Germany usually have the same region code.
I completely agree.
As a veritable 'achievement' hater, I've already laughed when Steam introduced achievements for being on Steam last month. Now look what Microsoft thinks is a swell idea for their One console:
http://www.inquisitr.com/674962/xbox-one-microsoft-files-patent-for-tv-achievements/
It's incredible. Microsoft wants those couch potatoes who actually still watch TV to get their kicks out of achievements like "watched entire Super Bowl" or "watched one hour of straight ads through zapping". How stupid is Microsoft, seriously, how stupid?
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so why did i forget sky was already in 'cahoots' with xbox, silly me !
why not freeview ? oh yeah cos it's free after you buy the box, so xbox can't make any money on it..unless they bring out a uk only xbox branded freeview box /receiver. Which wouldn't surprise me if they plan on that, but then it wouldn't really fit in with this 'one' mantra would it? They say it's the only thing you'll need well no cos you need the sky/cable box a tv and a house / internet etc..
Time waits for no person-Spent 24 hours straight watching a TV series.
Come on everyone tell your thoughts on what could be achievements for....ugh.....watching TV.
In all seriousness while is Microsoft even trying to market this as a game console because they just don't seem to give a shit about games for the Xbox One.
How else could you catch up on 24!?
Someone write "market reality" on this guy's forehead. As DRM measures get more draconic, sales are not increased as piracy decreases. Because a software pirate, by definition, is someone wo isn't willing to buy games. And sales of the game will not rise with the elimination of the used game market. If you can't resell your game, you can't put the gained money down on new games, which is mostly the reason people sell their old games anyway. And sale prices of games abbbsoooolutely do not drop because the developer suddenly fares better, WTF? Ever heard of EA and shit? The truth here could be quite the contrary. Sorry, Ben Kuchera, your article stinks to heaven. "Be thankful that Microsoft tries to screw you over", sure.
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the
The worst part of this article are the first paragraphs where he enthusiastically describes all the things you can do with your games despite those new measures - all of which were already possible with every old console. What now, all my family members can play the game? SERIOUSLY? Wow.
Nope.
1. how much was ben paid by microsoft for this article?
and a snippet of another..
2. ben is normally right but in this article he got soooo wrong..(paraphrasing)
2.) Opinion.
Nothing much to debate there.
Parsing the statement quoted by Vainamonen, it's important to note Ben didn't state price drops as inevitable, just as a hypothetical, which means he's open to being proven wrong. Although I don't think he's examined comparative economics in the world to see that higher profit margins do not necessarily equate to lower prices.
I'm interested in the Steam comparison actually. If XBOX One can functionally imitate Steam in terms of sales and fire sales it might be onto something. Would certainly be one more blow against brick and mortar, traditional sales.
Hah! If only. It was #1 pre order item on Amazon.de today unfortunately. :eek:
yeah but just means there's some gullible idiots or 'optimists'
or just alot of cod and halo and ea sports fans lol
Oh, of course you'll be able to cancel your order, even a day before the thing releases. But when has that ever happened in actual numbers? Microsoft's PR desaster is over now and people still pre-order. The E3 presentation is game related, they can't actually drop the ball there. If anything, the pre-order sheep will feel a confirmation that the dumb move they made was the right one. As does Microsoft.
What are you trying to be these days? A Chyron copycat?
Noes, spellng definitorily iz nott bad patr of atricle.
i personally feel that buying a used game is worse than piracy, because at least you aren't giving money to people that don't deserve the money if you pirate a game and also i would never buy a game i have paid money for second hand, but i would buy a game i have pirated and liked, saying that though i don't want to pay £45 for a game so i would rather buy the cheaper second hand one and that is what i mostly did with the xbox 360.
i honestly think i wouldn't have bought the xbox 360 if the ability to buy second hand games or borrow games wasn't there, so microsoft wouldn't have gotten any xbox money from me at all, microsoft may keep their hardcore XBOX fanboys but for people that were unsure as to whether they would buy an XBOX this generation they have totally lost their money
And we can all stop arguing - Jim has spoken for us all once again.
For me, only mostly. Steam's pricing policy is not driven by good ol' competition - they're just taking a different path towards eliminating competition. Jim Sterling even names gog.com as a first rate competitor to Steam. Obviously he wasn't following our respective gog thread for the last month.
Still, it's good to be backed by the guy. And interesting that he picked on exactly the article I read this morning. Granted - it is an exceptionally questionable assessment of the situation.
They aren't even the cheapest online store. Far from it. That would be Greenmangaming 99% of the time. Thanks to their constant 20% (or more) off vouchers.
Great place for getting your Steam keys. Not interested in checking out their client "capsule" though.
I've tried out capsule. Its a terrible client.
if i were rich or i got all my games for free i still wouldn't have played more games, i think you underestimate the amount of PC games there are, and its not me that has missed out on anything it is just the publisher of the game that has missed out on my money because they only sold their game on a limited platform
You take that back!
Actually, I was pointing out the subliminal message there.
BUY... buy... buy... buy... buy...
His twitter today has been interesting:
Since I only follow a few game developers on twitter, the "GAME DEVELOPER SAYS THING ON TWITTER" news articles are sometimes interesting, but it is fairly disappointing that they never seem to do any research about whether the statement is true, or reach out to that dev for additional comments (especially since twitter would make that incredibly easy).
I rest my question mark.